VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I think some people will be willing to apologize and admit their mistake if/when we see improvement in the development cycle. Right now I think most people are just too jaded to give any leeway until they've seen some physical signs of improvement. As I said, the second update will be very important...so hopefully there isn't a delay in March.

We'll have participants apologizing as we have participants apologizing now for being wrong all the time or L&P apologizing for failing everything that he commits to. Except we don't have anyone like that. L&P doesn't give 2 fucks about it and some people here are just here to shill the game.

This isn't the first time L&P does this btw.

1. Launches an update.
2. Announces that the next ones will be done differently to decrease production time.
3. Also announces that he won't take any vacations so the next dev cycle will be even faster.
4. After a few weeks announces he founds some issue/holy grail/new feature/new problem.
5. Take even longer than last time.

Last year he did the same.

I swear the things I read in this thread sound like some people live in the twilight zone.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I already talked about this, L&P is not earning more money because of his slowness, that's not milking. This game is incredible popular, yet the number of patrons isn't that impressive. Many patrons have stopped their support because of that, even big fans in this forum.

To put you an example, DreamNow started his patreon 1 year ago and with his game University of Problems he has achieved 1240 patrons in that time. He reached in one year what L&P reached in 2 years and a half. At this rate, his is going to surpass L&P this year. What's his secret? "Updates are released every month (each update contains ~630 renders, 4 animations, 8-12 events and many other interesting things)." And despite of his renders are not that great as these ones (According to the previews), the people are happy with them, they rate them 5/5. The point is that for L&P to deliver renders 15% better, he takes 3 times more for that.

Being slow isn't what gives you the money, it's being fast who makes it. Actually, we could benefit if L&P starts thinking in making more money (He would need to be faster for that).

This development is the epytome of the law of diminishing returns. As for the renders I see some developers now catching up to AWAM (most likely getting better hardware, expertise on software etc) and I don't notice decrease in their development cycles. 630 renders + 4 animations + 8-12 events is equivalent to what L&P brings in 4 months but with less events that move the story forward.

The only good developer I saw drastically slowing down was stoperart and he has clearly stated that it's lack of motivation and finding the right scenes, has nothing to do with technicals.

 

[nexer]

I already talked about this, L&P is not earning more money because of his slowness, that's not milking. This game is incredible popular, yet the number of patrons isn't that impressive. Many patrons have stopped their support because of that, even big fans in this forum.

To put you an example, DreamNow started his patreon 1 year ago and with his game University of Problems he has achieved 1240 patrons in that time. He reached in one year what L&P reached in 2 years and a half. At this rate, his is going to surpass L&P this year. What's his secret? "Updates are released every month (each update contains ~630 renders, 4 animations, 8-12 events and many other interesting things)." And despite of his renders are not that great as these ones (According to the previews), the people are happy with them, they rate them 5/5. The point is that for L&P to deliver renders 15% better, he takes 3 times more for that.

Being slow isn't what gives you the money, it's being fast who makes it. Actually, we could benefit if L&P starts thinking in making more money (He would need to be faster for that).

Before creating a game you must:
- text written before or someone to write before you start creating the scenes
- scripts for character posing, many pose presets
- know, at an advanced level, a 3D modeling program
- know beforehand about lights, about the maps used for texturing

 

[Bane71]

We'll have participants apologizing as we have participants apologizing now for being wrong all the time or L&P apologizing for failing everything that he commits to. Except we don't have anyone like that. L&P doesn't give 2 fucks about it and some people here are just here to shill the game.

This isn't the first time L&P does this btw.

1. Launches an update.
2. Announces that the next ones will be done differently to decrease production time.
3. Also announces that he won't take any vacations so the next dev cycle will be even faster.
4. After a few weeks announces he founds some issue/holy grail/new feature/new problem.
5. Take even longer than last time.

Last year he did the same.

I swear the things I read in this thread sound like some people live in the twilight zone.

Indeed, you're damn right, some people live here in a fog and do not understand that since the beginning of the creation of the game to this day, L & P is constantly changing something and improving something, at least in his opinion. But before doing this, he talks about it, not thinking that someone will put malicious intent into his words and grab him by the tongue and will not stop making some claims.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Her nipples are still hard. So, to me that picture is either

1- After the task and she is processing what happened. She went to the hall to clear her mind and reflect.
2- Same as above, but she also wondered upon something lewd happening in the hall and is peeping around the corner to watch.
3- Or that is before the task happened and she is mustering the courage to go back into the classroom and preform it.

Her expression is sort of a somber, maybe even sad to me. Just staring into nothing. So that to me means she is either deep in thought, or watching something and can't quite believe her eyes.

Her nipples are always hard. It's a development error. Even if she had hard nipples on purpose they wouldn't be seen under a shirt and a jacket. And since this developer thrives on realistic images....

 

[Ruby Tuesday]

Her nipples are always hard. It's a development error. Even if she had hard nipples on purpose they wouldn't be seen under a shirt and a jacket. And since this developer thrives on realistic images....

I prefer the word "teats". Nipples are the things I used to grease when servicing the brakes on my car, not a fond reminder. Oh well.

 

[Old Dog]

This could be happening during the break and Sophia is coming back from the faculty lounge when she spots them(Aiden/Jen)
Since Sophia has her jacket back on but she does not have her bag with her

 

[ashitanojoe]

This could be happened during the break and Sophia is coming back from the faculty lounge when she spots them(Aiden/Jen)

Don't make spoilers please. XD

 

[nexer]

This could be happened during the break and Sophia is coming back from the faculty lounge when she spots them(Aiden/Jen)

I think the teasers have always been chronological.
and the lights, here we have a big angle

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Indeed, you're damn right, some people live here in a fog and do not understand that since the beginning of the creation of the game to this day, L & P is constantly changing something and improving something, at least in his opinion. But before doing this, he talks about it, not thinking that someone will put malicious intent into his words and grab him by the tongue and will not stop making some claims.

How can you argue about good intent when he slaps a USD/EUR figure to a promise and does not fullfil it for years while getting the EUR/USD amount anyways? When he says at the end of every update that the next will come faster but in the end it comes slower? When he says "End of Month X is realistic" the month before so people read and keep paying and then it always comes out 1 month after he predicted it?

Even this time L&P said "End of January" back in december when the smart patrons were deciding to pay or not pay for the next month.

"The update will already come quicker with the new method". Well 2 months later here we are and it's getting slower.

This was after he announced the special pc/dev/development, in December, where he, once again says he's working "on it as before" and "heading for the end of January". He does this all the time. Lie to get people not to turn off patron memberships and then the development slips away for next month.
"oops"

We're 15 days away, let's see if he pulls through but there is nothing to apologize for. If anything, he's the one that has to apologize to the people who finance him for consistently missing his own goals.

 

[Old Dog]

I think the teasers have always been chronological.
and the lights, here we have a big angle
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True but I am thinking more of the bonus scene

 

[nexer]

True but I thinking more of the bonus scene

Maybe after the 4th task, Jen or Aiden got horny and... but I'd go with someone else: Zach, soccer team,...

 

[Bane71]

How can you argue about good intent when he slaps a USD/EUR figure to a promise and does not fullfil it for years while getting the EUR/USD amount anyways? When he says at the end of every update that the next will come faster but in the end it comes slower? When he says "End of Month X is realistic" the month before so people read and keep paying and then it always comes out 1 month after he predicted it?

Even this time L&P said "End of January" back when everyone was deciding

"The update will already come quicker with the new method". Well 2 months later here we are and it's getting slower.

This was after he announced the special pc/dev/development, in December, where he, once again says he's working "on it as before" and "heading for the end of January". He does this all the time. Lie to get people not to turn off patron memberships and then the development slips away for next month.
"oops"

We're 15 days away, let's see if he pulls through but there is nothing to apologize for. If anything, he's the one that has to apologize to the people who finance him for consistently missing his own goals.

I can, it's very simple because I have a reason for it.
One says and does, and despite the fact that the implementation of his plans is shifting in time, I understand him.
Others, however, are engaged in the fact that they only say the same thing, trying to inflate their authority in this way by criticizing the first one, the one who not only speaks, but also does.

In Russia, there is a proverb on this score: Fucking with your tongue is not the same as rolling bags!

 

[Alley_Cat]

This development is the epytome of the law of diminishing returns. As for the renders I see some developers now catching up to AWAM (most likely getting better hardware, expertise on software etc) and I don't notice decrease in their development cycles. 630 renders + 4 animations + 8-12 events is equivalent to what L&P brings in 4 months but with less events that move the story forward.

The only good developer I saw drastically slowing down was stoperart and he has clearly stated that it's lack of motivation and finding the right scenes, has nothing to do with technicals.

My favourite dev in this regard is After Choices who makes Free Pass. He lives in Myanmar, so any unforeseen delays are because the military are dicks and have shut down the electricity and/or internet. But he still managed to deliver updates with about as many renders in around 2-3 weeks.

Until we threatened to kidnap him and take him to a remote location so that he took some time off to spend with his fam and not burn out.

He also has numerous people helping him officially and unofficially.

Just wish L&P would learn from those that could reasonably surpass him

Maybe after the 4th task, Jen or Aiden got horny and... but I'd go with someone else: Zach, soccer team,...

For a second I thought you were saying that maybe Aiden was horny so went for someone else like Zac

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I can, it's very simple because I have a reason for it.
One says and does, and despite the fact that the implementation of his plans is shifting in time, I understand him.
Others, however, are engaged in the fact that they only say the same thing, trying to inflate their authority in this way by criticizing the first one, the one who not only speaks, but also does.

In Russia, there is a proverb on this score: Fucking with your tongue is not the same as rolling bags!

His set expectations always fail. Always. Development keeps getting slower despite him suposedly making it faster.
As time goes by, no matter what he does, development keeps getting slower. Do you understand that?

Anyways, why am I wasting time with you? You're presented with facts and have seen screenshots (now and in the past) of L&P himself missing his own predictons for years now and all you can say is the same thing over and over and then presenting us with some russian proverbs.
Absolute waste of time.

 

[Old Dog]

Maybe after the 4th task, Jen or Aiden got horny and... but I'd go with someone else: Zach, soccer team,...

As I have said before the "GangBang" will happen but not in the way that most people think it will,Andy/Cathy for instance

 

[nexer]

We criticize but let's follow the steps in real life.
Decide to introduce new things into the game. OK.
What's L&P doing? He starts studying the whole mechanism himself.
What should be done? Get someone to do all the work, do the research, gather and structure all the necessary steps.
I think the delay now is because of that. Hopefully the next update will go faster.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

My favourite dev in this regard is After Choices who makes Free Pass. He lives in Myanmar, so any unforeseen delays are because the military are dicks and have shut down the electricity and/or internet. But he still managed to deliver updates with about as many renders in around 2-3 weeks.

Until we threatened to kidnap him and take him to a remote location so that he took some time off to spend with his fam and not burn out.

He also has numerous people helping him officially and unofficially.

Just wish L&P would learn from those that could reasonably surpass him

L&P has learned to expertly gaud patrons into staying with every message stating some lie about development going faster.
I seriously wonder what his steps will be once patron eventually shuts it down.

Even his "special" development.. Special this special that.. Unless is something never seen in other VN's. I don't see how can animations be called special. But let's wait and see.

 

[Bane71]

My favourite dev in this regard is After Choices who makes Free Pass. He lives in Myanmar, so any unforeseen delays are because the military are dicks and have shut down the electricity and/or internet. But he still managed to deliver updates with about as many renders in around 2-3 weeks.

Until we threatened to kidnap him and take him to a remote location so that he took some time off to spend with his fam and not burn out.

He also has numerous people helping him officially and unofficially.

Just wish L&P would learn from those that could reasonably surpass him


For a second I thought you were saying that maybe Aiden was horny so went for someone else like Zac

I absolutely agree with you! L&P has a lot more to learn!
In my opinion, he does not know how to communicate with the public, I would say he is not attentive enough to the public.
He also needs to organize his work better.

And if ViperDonkey carefully reads what I wrote, he may notice that I said the same thing as him, only I did not call L&P a liar, a deceiver, and so on.

ViperDonkey, like L&P, also has something else to learn.

 

[nexer]

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Sophia doesn't spy, she doesn't hide, but she doesn't wait for anyone either, it's as if she is witnessing something, something that is happening or about to happen.