VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[ihl86]

Hello guys, need your opinion!
We all know that the main problem of the game is a huge amount of renders per each event, because of that one update with one event takes about 4 months to produce.
So I decided to make an experiment. I've downloaded CGs from the last 0.190 update, reduced the amount of images from 414 to 160 and uploaded on Mega: Mega
So I need your opinion. Which is better: 414 images that took 4 months to produce, or 160 images which could be possibly rendered only in 1,5 months?
Put if you'd choose 160 images version with only 1,5 months of development!
Put if you prefer 414 images version with 4 months of development!
Put if you want to see even smaller amount of renders to make updates even faster!

That's a good suggestion actually, 420 renders for a single event is ridiculous. I think 200 renders is the sweet spot, 150 seems a bit low for that much text. It will for sure reduce the development time.

If you think about it, it is one lewd event but kind of 2 events in total. The club date and the hot-tub part.

I will take a look at the images but I for me, for the hot-tub part, I enjoyed all the renders. Would I have enjoyed the story with less renders as well, probably, but I still enjoyed them and would prefer to have them as they are.
However for any non-lewd events, less renders is definitely a good way to go.


What I want to say though, as someone who has rendered a few scenes, similar renders, with smaller differences between them take a lot less to set-up than completely new ones.
If only the facial expression changes, in reality, one can only render the face, and copy it onto the previous image for the new image. You don't need to re-render the whole scene. It also consumes a lot less time to prepare the scene when you just have to change a facial expression, compared to change the posing for both characters, especially if there is touching/interaction between them or between them and different props.
So if you cut out half the scenes, most of them being scenes with small changes in them, you won't half the time. You probably just take out a good amount of scenes, lowering the time by only 10-30%.

 

[S.t.s]

Hello guys, I'm looking for a game that I played maybe 6 years ago but I don't remember the name, it was a little black boy with yellow hair having sex with his mother.

 

[karleston]

If you think about it, it is one lewd event but kind of 2 events in total. The club date and the hot-tub part.

I will take a look at the images but I for me, for the hot-tub part, I enjoyed all the renders. Would I have enjoyed the story with less renders as well, probably, but I still enjoyed them and would prefer to have them as they are.
However for any non-lewd events, less renders is definitely a good way to go.


What I want to say though, as someone who has rendered a few scenes, similar renders, with smaller differences between them take a lot less to set-up than completely new ones.
If only the facial expression changes, in reality, one can only render the face, and copy it onto the previous image for the new image. You don't need to re-render the whole scene. It also consumes a lot less time to prepare the scene when you just have to change a facial expression, compared to change the posing for both characters, especially if there is touching/interaction between them or between them and different props.
So if you cut out half the scenes, most of them being scenes with small changes in them, you won't half the time. You probably just take out a good amount of scenes, lowering the time by only 10-30%.

You can't really compare the two versions because you will be bias no matter what, after you have seen the full event, nobody would settle with the shorter version.
As for the time, i think the difference will be bigger than that, because remember he renders the scenes and after that edit them in photoshop.

It's like any other field, you need to try things and see how you can optimize the way you work in order to produce faster.

And this solution is cheap, doesn't require any other 3rd party or employee and still would be effective to reduce the development time. That's why i said it is a good idea

 

[immassman]

He needs to learn how to tie his shoe laces properly then we can talk about making games.

Most people think that this is easy, like you said with all the tutorials out there of course you can do it, but it will suck, no matter how hard you try. Because you need experience and TIME to make a game look and feel good

dude it's hard for beginners and who have no clue about how the software works, but once you know the UI, once you get familiar with the software it's very easy. Once you know where everything is, you just have to arrange them together.

 

[follardo]

Hello guys, need your opinion!
We all know that the main problem of the game is a huge amount of renders per each event, because of that one update with one event takes about 4 months to produce.
So I decided to make an experiment. I've downloaded CGs from the last 0.190 update, reduced the amount of images from 414 to 160 and uploaded on Mega: Mega
So I need your opinion. Which is better: 414 images that took 4 months to produce, or 160 images which could be possibly rendered only in 1,5 months?
Put if you'd choose 160 images version with only 1,5 months of development!
Put if you prefer 414 images version with 4 months of development!
Put if you want to see even smaller amount of renders to make updates even faster!

We could go back to what we have before. 3 events each update. 150 renders each event. 4 month of work.

 

[Skut100]

Mac update plz

Mac version part 2 0.190

 

[Tennyson@]

Lol to guys still following this

Latest pornhwas are much better than this 4 years of development

Pornhwas, webtoons>>>>>>>>>>>>all adult games

 

[misterbaobab]

If you think about it, it is one lewd event but kind of 2 events in total. The club date and the hot-tub part.

I will take a look at the images but I for me, for the hot-tub part, I enjoyed all the renders. Would I have enjoyed the story with less renders as well, probably, but I still enjoyed them and would prefer to have them as they are.
However for any non-lewd events, less renders is definitely a good way to go.


What I want to say though, as someone who has rendered a few scenes, similar renders, with smaller differences between them take a lot less to set-up than completely new ones.
If only the facial expression changes, in reality, one can only render the face, and copy it onto the previous image for the new image. You don't need to re-render the whole scene. It also consumes a lot less time to prepare the scene when you just have to change a facial expression, compared to change the posing for both characters, especially if there is touching/interaction between them or between them and different props.
So if you cut out half the scenes, most of them being scenes with small changes in them, you won't half the time. You probably just take out a good amount of scenes, lowering the time by only 10-30%.

Please, before judging, just have a look, because writing all this actually took more time then watching.
Are you sure you enjoyed all the renders? For example dozens of those where MC stops her son on different stages of the date? Like you really replayed this event to stop Dylan again and again? I mean that if the person is already on Dylan route at this point of the game and wants to see all, what's the point in rendering the interruption of the date in so many ways?
Or our favorite moving around the city. Driving the car, walking the street, walking the hall, walking the corridor, watching some random people doing something. It all also takes dozens of renders, lots of time and doesn't give anything to the story.
There were posts in this thread that show that the rendering speed of the dev didn't change much with time, when he rendered many scenes in one update, and when he started rendering separate scenes. So no. It's definitely not lowering only by 10-30%.

And again now we are talking not about just the couple of years delay in development. We are talking about literally 30 years of development, which will take to finish this game with the current amount of rendering at the current speed. So please be a little more critical to some renders and if they are really needed in this game.

 

[sssaam.cindy.2019]

Hello guys, I'm looking for a game that I played maybe 6 years ago but I don't remember the name, it was a little black boy with yellow hair having sex with his mother.

Get some help, or better turn yourself to the police ... depending on how little - or young - that boy was

 

[sssaam.cindy.2019]

100 renders in a week ? Please show us how

Here you go: usually I stop it at 2.000 iterations as you can't see any difference... takes around 1 min 30 sec --- same for 8 characters

I have thousands of images + sound files

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Let me know when you finished watching it, I would like to delete it.

 

[armion82]

The sex scenes on the lesbian route are due to start on PD15. There should be some fun scenes on PD14 for both Ellie and Patricia though. That's the next update I'm looking forward to.

Finally some Patricia.
It's incredible,but for the last 4 years we have only 2 events with her.
More love for Patricia.

 

[Dreamsy]

A good addition.really waited in the jacuzzi a little more.Well, we are looking forward to the next day)

 

[Bust Lover]

can anyone share a compressed link of version 0.190

 

[bayrischman]

We could go back to what we have before. 3 events each update. 150 renders each event. 4 month of work.

160 bilder

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Hello guys, need your opinion!
We all know that the main problem of the game is a huge amount of renders per each event, because of that one update with one event takes about 4 months to produce.
So I decided to make an experiment. I've downloaded CGs from the last 0.190 update, reduced the amount of images from 414 to 160 and uploaded on Mega: Mega
So I need your opinion. Which is better: 414 images that took 4 months to produce, or 160 images which could be possibly rendered only in 1,5 months?
Put if you'd choose 160 images version with only 1,5 months of development!
Put if you prefer 414 images version with 4 months of development!
Put if you want to see even smaller amount of renders to make updates even faster!

you should do the same thing with text pages

 

[ihl86]

Please, before judging, just have a look, because writing all this actually took more time then watching.
Are you sure you enjoyed all the renders? For example dozens of those where MC stops her son on different stages of the date? Like you really replayed this event to stop Dylan again and again? I mean that if the person is already on Dylan route at this point of the game and wants to see all, what's the point in rendering the interruption of the date in so many ways?
Or our favorite moving around the city. Driving the car, walking the street, walking the hall, walking the corridor, watching some random people doing something. It all also takes dozens of renders, lots of time and doesn't give anything to the story.
There were posts in this thread that show that the rendering speed of the dev didn't change much with time, when he rendered many scenes in on update, and when he started rendering separate scenes. So no. It's definitely not lowering only by 10-30%.

And again now we are talking not about just the couple of years delay in development. We are talking about literally 30 years of development, which will take to finish this game with the current amount of rendering at the current speed. So please be a little more critical to some renders and if they are really needed in this game.

I first want to say that I am definitely not judging. It was just expressing my opinion on the matter. Something definitely needs to change, but I think the answer is a bigger team. With enough pressure from his patrons I think that could happen or he abandons the game completely. I don't think anyone will convince him to do less renders than he feels like for events, no matter what we think.

I looked at the renders you chose in the meantime. They all look fine (although to be honest more than I expected were with them at the club table).
To fully realize what is missing I would have to replay the event and compare any missing render to the one that is supposed to replace it (I imagine you would keep all the writing, just use the same renders for more lines of dialogue or narration)
I actually stopped Dylan again and again the first and only time I played this event. Chose the blocking path, curious what Sophia would do, scrolled back and continue with the event. If I were to replay the event I would indeed not chose those options again but they are important if we don't want just a kinetic novel. Maybe this time there were a few too many, indeed.


I do admit that sometimes the moving around images could be skipped, IF there is no narration going on in them. But it does change the feel of the game a little. For me it would not be a problem but I think L&P is the type of person to do things only his way.

I think L&P either is really bad at optimizing his time, or I don't really want to say lies to his patrons about what it takes and how long but maybe that happens as well.

I am going to give you an example of a few renders that you skipped that should definitely take less time, with the explanation why that is so.
I put them all in a word, so it doesn't take the whole thread page.
While going through the renders step by step to show you the examples in the attached document I want to mention for example you skipped them eating the desert in the hot-tub. That is one render on the refusal path. But it is also included in the normal path. It's something they do before they get to the naughty stuff and from a story point of view can't really be skipped, as that was their plan, to enjoy the desert in the jacuzzi.

After looking through the game again, most of the problem comes down to render time. There are a lot of images in the ones you skipped that are the same scene (explained in the document).
I think L&P should just rent out some rendering power from a render farm. It's not that expensive compared to the income he has, and that should resolve the issue almost completely. Especially since he could start rendering scenes as soon as he completed them, while he prepares the next one.


Question for the people that are active here and now what has been discussed with L&P: Has no one asked him why he doesn't use a render farm for rendering. The time should be cut down by almost all of his render time progression bubble, with that.

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[Galaktur]

There are render farms. With her monthly income like that, she can afford render farms. And what took 6 years, she could do in a year.

 

[Galaktur]

I first want to say that I am definitely not judging. It was just expressing my opinion on the matter. Something definitely needs to change, but I think the answer is a bigger team. With enough pressure from his patrons I think that could happen or he abandons the game completely. I don't think anyone will convince him to do less renders than he feels like for events, no matter what we think.

I looked at the renders you chose in the meantime. They all look fine (although to be honest more than I expected were with them at the club table).
To fully realize what is missing I would have to replay the event and compare any missing render to the one that is supposed to replace it (I imagine you would keep all the writing, just use the same renders for more lines of dialogue or narration)
I actually stopped Dylan again and again the first and only time I played this event. Chose the blocking path, curious what Sophia would do, scrolled back and continue with the event. If I were to replay the event I would indeed not chose those options again but they are important if we don't want just a kinetic novel. Maybe this time there were a few too many, indeed.


I do admit that sometimes the moving around images could be skipped, IF there is no narration going on in them. But it does change the feel of the game a little. For me it would not be a problem but I think L&P is the type of person to do things only his way.

I think L&P either is really bad at optimizing his time, or I don't really want to say lies to his patrons about what it takes and how long but maybe that happens as well.

I am going to give you an example of a few renders that you skipped that should definitely take less time, with the explanation why that is so.
I put them all in a word, so it doesn't take the whole thread page.
While going through the renders step by step to show you the examples in the attached document I want to mention for example you skipped them eating the desert in the hot-tub. That is one render on the refusal path. But it is also included in the normal path. It's something they do before they get to the naughty stuff and from a story point of view can't really be skipped, as that was their plan, to enjoy the desert in the jacuzzi.

After looking through the game again, most of the problem comes down to render time. There are a lot of images in the ones you skipped that are the same scene (explained in the document).
I think L&P should just rent out some rendering power from a render farm. It's not that expensive compared to the income he has, and that should resolve the issue almost completely. Especially since he could start rendering scenes as soon as he completed them, while he prepares the next one.


Question for the people that are active here and now what has been discussed with L&P: Has no one asked him why he doesn't use a render farm for rendering. The time should be cut down by almost all of his render time progression bubble, with that.

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She has only one problem - to cut down as much money as possible.

 

[ihl86]

She has only one problem - to cut down as much money as possible.

I think so as well. But from the pricing I looked, one month of 10 hours per day would be like 1000 dollars. That's not that much. Considering how powerful those computers are I think he could render a whole update in a month, month and a half at most. If we consider he could render at night on his computer as well, in parallel with the render farms...

Would really love to know if anyone asked him about render farms.

 

[Babbu Maan]

Guess I did the right thing by dropping this game...
God, I even forgot the year i played this...
Lmao ,and this is the progress of the game since then....