VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Dr.SigmundFap]

In the conversation with Sam, Dylan always struck me more like a person who has been caught with homosexual tendencies, but who would rather shoot the witness than admit that the witness is right. He really denied any unmeasured interest in his mother.
Dylan discovered very early on, as a child, that his mother was also a sexual person. I think that's one reason for his sexual interest in his mother. But I also believe that this conversation with Sam was not the first of its kind in young Dylan's life. This is pure speculation, but it would seem normal to me that Dylan, as the son of such a desirable woman, even in his old home, would have been the target of the very taunts and jokes from classmates and friends that he mentions in the hot tub at the last event.
So for me it's not a sudden switch but a long, slow process in which these jibes have repeatedly pushed Dylan in this direction.

"In the conversation with Sam, Dylan always struck me more like a person who has been caught with homosexual tendencies, but who would rather shoot the witness than admit that the witness is right. He really denied any unmeasured interest in his mother."

I'm confused about how you came up with the idea of homosexual tendencies with Dylan and Sam's conversation in his bedroom when they were talking about Sophia. If you replay that scene again, Sam was going on and on about Sophia, and believe it or not, Dylan had the proper response at that time about someone else talking about his mother, especially if it is coming from your so-called "friend."

Spoiler: Dylan and Sam's conversation.

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Dylan may have been attracted to Sophia during his youth, another youth flashback like Sam's (how original... copy and paste), but did he grow out of having attraction towards Sophia since this conversation occurred years later with Sam? I think the reasonable answer would be yes. Dylan only revisited this attraction towards Sophia after this conversation with Sam. As you can see, Sam is the one that trigger this to happen after bringing the thought up again.

"This is pure speculation, but it would seem normal to me that Dylan, as the son of such a desirable woman, even in his old home, would have been the target of the very taunts and jokes from classmates and friends that he mentions in the hot tub at the last event."

In other parts of the story, Sophia has always been protected by Dylan and says Dylan can defend himself with no issues; you can see that from the NTR options that pop up (if you choose not to stay quiet) and from the club scene, park (hobo) scenes, and Sophia/Alyssa's chat in the coffee shop. The only one who usually taunts him and gets away with it for the most part is Ellie, but she is in the same boat as Dylan as being a virgin. So, I do not quite understand your point and logic here.

 

[kimber700]

"In the conversation with Sam, Dylan always struck me more like a person who has been caught with homosexual tendencies, but who would rather shoot the witness than admit that the witness is right. He really denied any unmeasured interest in his mother."

I'm confused about how you came up with the idea of homosexual tendencies with Dylan and Sam's conversation in his bedroom when they were talking about Sophia. If you replay that scene again, Sam was going on and on about Sophia, and believe it or not, Dylan had the proper response at that time about someone else talking about his mother, especially if it is coming from your so-called "friend."

Spoiler: Dylan and Sam's conversation.

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Dylan may have been attracted to Sophia during his youth, another youth flashback like Sam's (how original... copy and paste), but did he grow out of having attraction towards Sophia since this conversation occurred years later with Sam? I think the reasonable answer would be yes. Dylan only revisited this attraction towards Sophia after this conversation with Sam. As you can see, Sam is the one that trigger this to happen after bringing the thought up again.

"This is pure speculation, but it would seem normal to me that Dylan, as the son of such a desirable woman, even in his old home, would have been the target of the very taunts and jokes from classmates and friends that he mentions in the hot tub at the last event."

In other parts of the story, Sophia has always been protected and can defend himself with no issues; you can see that from the NTR options that pop up (if you choose not to stay quiet) and from the club scene, park (hobo) scenes, and Sophia/Alyssa's chat in the coffee shop. The only one who usually taunts him and gets away with it for the most part is Ellie, but she is in the same boat as Dylan as being a virgin. So, I do not quite understand your point and logic here.

I obviously can see L&P's rendering skill is upgraded a lot.

 

[PushMyButton]

dat ass. that is ellei or Christine?

if you look at what was in the previous pictures and what Ellie was wearing, yes, this is Ellie's sweet ass

 

[hzjujk]

"In the conversation with Sam, Dylan always struck me more like a person who has been caught with homosexual tendencies, but who would rather shoot the witness than admit that the witness is right. He really denied any unmeasured interest in his mother."

I'm confused about how you came up with the idea of homosexual tendencies with Dylan and Sam's conversation in his bedroom when they were talking about Sophia. If you replay that scene again, Sam was going on and on about Sophia, and believe it or not, Dylan had the proper response at that time about someone else talking about his mother, especially if it is coming from your so-called "friend."

Spoiler: Dylan and Sam's conversation.

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Dylan may have been attracted to Sophia during his youth, another youth flashback like Sam's (how original... copy and paste), but did he grow out of having attraction towards Sophia since this conversation occurred years later with Sam? I think the reasonable answer would be yes. Dylan only revisited this attraction towards Sophia after this conversation with Sam. As you can see, Sam is the one that trigger this to happen after bringing the thought up again.

"This is pure speculation, but it would seem normal to me that Dylan, as the son of such a desirable woman, even in his old home, would have been the target of the very taunts and jokes from classmates and friends that he mentions in the hot tub at the last event."

In other parts of the story, Sophia has always been protected and can defend himself with no issues; you can see that from the NTR options that pop up (if you choose not to stay quiet) and from the club scene, park (hobo) scenes, and Sophia/Alyssa's chat in the coffee shop. The only one who usually taunts him and gets away with it for the most part is Ellie, but she is in the same boat as Dylan as being a virgin. So, I do not quite understand your point and logic here.

This is a misunderstanding. I meant that Dylan behaves like someone who desperately wants to keep a secret for which he is despised and ridiculed in society. Hence the comparison with a person who has homosexual tendencies but would never admit them.
As I said, in my opinion we are witnessing the Dylan/Sam conversation but for me it could have just been another shot at the wall.
And both Sophia and Elli complain that Dylan has shown sexual interest in his mother and sister before.
Overall, I didn't want to contradict your comments. I just see that the development of Dylan into someone who has a sexual interest in female family members cannot be dependent on this single event, the conversation with Sam.

 

[sophialover22]

I think we can see ellie giving Dylan a bj which will score equal in cheating will his boyfriend Logan. To save ellie from Logan we can see Sophia having gangbang with Logan Tyler and his gang

 

[athreusclouds]

I just see that the development of Dylan into someone who has a sexual interest in female family members cannot be dependent on this single event, the conversation with Sam.

Wasn't there a scene in the game where Dylan told Sophia that he started to be attracted to her as a woman
much earlier in his life than this conversation with Sammy's the neighbor?

 

[hzjujk]

Wasn't there a scene in the game where Dylan told Sophia that he started to be attracted to her as a woman
much earlier in his life than this conversation with Sammy's the neighbor?

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That's exactly what I mean. Its “development” began much earlier. Well before the time of arrival in San Alejo.

 

[Kirill86]

That's exactly what I mean. Its “development” began much earlier. Well before the time of arrival in San Alejo.

I don't think any of us would be ready to tell about our desires to fuck our own mother, even to our best friend

 

[Kirill86]

Dylan just played "fool", and after Sam pressed him, Dylan confessed, and also said that Sam's mother is also very good

 

[Aillor Nailo]

That's exactly what I mean. Its “development” began much earlier. Well before the time of arrival in San Alejo.

Ellie complains about Dylan in Ellie's and Sophia's first shower scene. That she cannot sunbath topless or something because he is a "creep". I do not remember the car scene in the very beginning, if Dylan had any thoughts there?

 

[Kirill86]

Ellie complains about Dylan in Ellie's and Sophia's first shower scene. That she cannot sunbath topless or something because he is a "creep". I do not remember the car scene in the very beginning, if Dylan had any thoughts there?

Ellie was menstruating, Dylan's behavior in the car seemed like he wanted to grope her
p.s. Ellie bitch!

 

[Aillor Nailo]

Ellie was menstruating, Dylan's behavior in the car seemed like he wanted to grope her
p.s. Ellie bitch!

WHAT! Take that back right this instance young(?) man(?). Ellie is lovely. In every way. Well, apart from giving Dylan viagra. But I think the "hate" towards Dylan really is something else. She likes him but just don't understand those feelings.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Wasn't there a scene in the game where Dylan told Sophia that he started to be attracted to her as a woman
much earlier in his life than this conversation with Sammy's the neighbor?

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That is what I pointed out in my comment. Still, after this earlier scene took place years before San Alejo, Dylan touched Sophia's butt on the swing after Dylan / Sam's conversation is when you noticed the attraction based on the writing. Sophia discovered Dylan's "attraction" towards her when she woke up for a drink of water at night after Dylan / Sam's conversation and the swing event.

"Dylan may have been attracted to Sophia during his youth, another youth flashback like Sam's (how original... copy and paste), but did he grow out of having attraction towards Sophia since this conversation occurred years later with Sam? I think the reasonable answer would be yes."

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

This is a misunderstanding. I meant that Dylan behaves like someone who desperately wants to keep a secret for which he is despised and ridiculed in society. Hence the comparison with a person who has homosexual tendencies but would never admit them.
As I said, in my opinion we are witnessing the Dylan/Sam conversation but for me it could have just been another shot at the wall.
And both Sophia and Elli complain that Dylan has shown sexual interest in his mother and sister before.
Overall, I didn't want to contradict your comments. I just see that the development of Dylan into someone who has a sexual interest in female family members cannot be dependent on this single event, the conversation with Sam.

"This is a misunderstanding. I meant that Dylan behaves like someone who desperately wants to keep a secret for which he is despised and ridiculed in society. Hence the comparison with a person who has homosexual tendencies but would never admit them."

"As I said, in my opinion we are witnessing the Dylan/Sam conversation but for me it could have just been another shot at the wall."

I'm sorry, but from a reasonable perspective based on the written text, that still makes no sense. I don't see your rationale or how you formulate this opinion here based on what is presented in the story's writing during days one and two and even the youth flashback scene. Which, I state again, didn't manifest until after the Dylan/Sam conversation.

"Overall, I didn't want to contradict your comments. I just see that the development of Dylan into someone who has a sexual interest in female family members cannot be dependent on this single event, the conversation with Sam."

I don't think you read what I said,

Dr. F - "Dylan may have been attracted to Sophia during his youth, another youth flashback like Sam's (how original... copy and paste), but did he grow out of having attraction towards Sophia since this conversation occurred years later with Sam? I think the reasonable answer would be yes."

Did Dylan suppress his attraction towards Sophia from the flashback scene to the Dylan/Sam conversation? Again, The reasonable answer would be yes, based on the current dialog in the AV. That is when Dylan started to show his attraction towards Sophia again, which she picked up on during the glass of water at night and went to Dylan's room to check on the noise.

 

[athreusclouds]

Generally - Sammy is such a sneaky, little bastard that it's normal for him to seduce, corrupt & fuck Dylan's mother.
Even if it would possibly lead to the destruction of her marriage and family.
For him - that's okey man, go,go,go, don't give a damn, that's not my family.

But as soon as Dylan said that Sam's mother was also beautiful and changed the topic of conversation to her,
what did Sammy do?)
Almost the same thing that Dylan just did)
I’m sure that he wouldn’t like it if someone did to Amber the same thing that he would later do to Sophia.
Sammy is double standards ratso

Not trying to offend Sams fans. Just vote for him to fuck his Amber)

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I don't think any of us would be ready to tell about our desires to fuck our own mother, even to our best friend

Then the point is missed; it wasn't about telling his friend. It's about whether the conversation triggered Dylan to display his attraction toward Sophia again because Dylan didn't start acting as he did until after that conversation. Because after that conversation took place, there was the first physical contact of the butt touch on the swing in the backyard from Dylan the next day, which he touched her on purpose this time.

 

[RUSSIAN MAFIA]

Dylan's gonna cum in his pants, that's the secret."

 

[RUSSIAN MAFIA]

Spoiler: A dispute is a dispute

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Don't worry, Bro! One private from her! And you're free!

 

[tofhdns]

I don't think any of us would be ready to tell about our desires to fuck our own mother, even to our best friend

Please distinguish between enjoying porn and living reality.

I have never imagined such a thing and never thought that anyone around me, including my friends, would have such a desire.

Ordinary people around me are extremely angry and offended by the sexual objectification of their family members.

If any of my friends had told me the way Sam did, he wouldn't have survived, and the result would have been the same even if I had said that to my friends.

I actually interviewed such a family.
But it's not common enough to say "us, our" and it's extremely rare.

This game does not replace my desires.
This game just replaces my desire to see someone else's desire.

Maybe that's why I react to unrealistic and illogical scenes.

This developer talks about women as if they have no agency and want to be manipulated.
A follower of this developer speak as if many people dream of incest or he talks about incest as if it were commonplace.

I don't want to impose a standard of right or wrong on your sexual fantasy.
But "us, our" is absolutely something I don't trust or acknowledge and it makes me hate being included in this forum.

Just say, "I have sexual fantasies about my mother, but I don't have the courage to admit this to anyone, including my close friends."

For your peace, for my peace.

 

[Bibifoc]

I was just about to give my first facepalm but I felt Radoslaw Wolf's shadow looming over me