VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[palmtrees89]

I have no idea why some people think that Act 1 was of higher quality than the Act 2. I certainly don't understand that at all. Rather, I think that Act 1 made a higher-quality impression mainly because so little happened. With so little progress, it's easier to overlook all the logical errors and inadequacies. But if you look closely, the first act is also full of nonsense (e.g. villains like Aiden, whose leverage over Sophia is ridiculously small, but whom she still finds intimidating enough for these silly tasks, etc.). Also, the almost pathologically exaggerated fear of nudity of Sophia, the events with the other teacher, the mafia story, etc. are anything but realistic.

Something that some people here need to understand is that even AWAM is just a porn game. It already was in Act 1, even though almost nothing happened there. No idea why some people expected a masterpiece here, but the fault lies with yourselves. At some point, the game had to pick up speed, and what could initially be overlooked in Act 1 with good will quickly becomes obvious. What bothers me most, though, is not that Sophia is actually doing something for a change (as in all porn games) instead of just brooding in self-doubt, but how much she has to go through because of the far too many side stories. It's just too much when Sophia has sexual encounters with practically everyone around her. It also takes away from the main story with Sophia in her role as "a wife and mother". What the hell does this old gentleman have to do with Ellie, Dylan or Liam? This side story is useless and should have been deleted. In particular, because AWAM does not need yet another poorly written blackmail story.

Act 1 was of higher quality in the sense that L&P was able to provide content for pretty much every route due to much lower render count per event. I disagree when you say the game should revolve around Dylan/Ellie/Liam/Sophia just because it's titled "A Wife And Mother". When I started playing, I did it for Sophia's adventures outside of that. I was never a fan of the incest routes, and L&P was able to deliver content for everyone back in the day. Still somewhat slow, but atleast some progress was made.

I was interested to see where Sophia would end up with characters like the school's headmaster, janitor Clark, Bennett, the neighbors, Liam's boss, the Morellos, partying with her sister..and more. All of those routes could have eventually turned Sophia into a corrupted version of herself cheating on her husband and succumbing to San Alejo's temptations one way or another. There was zero need for Dylan/Ellie incest or whatever if you didn't want it to be part of your game.

Now, with time, L&P turned his game into an absolute dumpster fire with ever increasing renders per event, slower production in general, bigger PD's aswell as a bunch more 2nd MC Dylan events that weren't even planned in the first place. Said it before, will say it again; The easy solution is to go back to sub 100 render events, remove the fucking Dylan MC arc which is a game inside the game and should be a standalone project imo, and upping production (aka render/day count) to pre-act2 levels. That way, L&P would be able to release 1-2 PD's a year providing content for every route like he used to. But he's not doing that and so we are left with 400+ render events and at this point more than 2 years for a single PD which in return means hardly any content on any route for many years to come...or rather never as clearly the game will eventually end up being abandoned because 50 years of development left is just a ridiculous number.

 

[Bibifoc]

I wanna load my Save from 211. in version 215 Then it shows me some error messages like "While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 499, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way? "

Can you post your save?

 

[Lust & nipple]

Act 1 was of higher quality in the sense that L&P was able to provide content for pretty much every route due to much lower render count per event. I disagree when you say the game should revolve around Dylan/Ellie/Liam/Sophia just because it's titled "A Wife And Mother". When I started playing, I did it for Sophia's adventures outside of that. I was never a fan of the incest routes, and L&P was able to deliver content for everyone back in the day. Still somewhat slow, but atleast some progress was made.

I was interested to see where Sophia would end up with characters like the school's headmaster, janitor Clark, Bennett, the neighbors, Liam's boss, the Morellos, partying with her sister..and more. All of those routes could have eventually turned Sophia into a corrupted version of herself cheating on her husband and succumbing to San Alejo's temptations one way or another. There was zero need for Dylan/Ellie incest or whatever if you didn't want it to be part of your game.

Now, with time, L&P turned his game into an absolute dumpster fire with ever increasing renders per event, slower production in general, bigger PD's aswell as a bunch more 2nd MC Dylan events that weren't even planned in the first place. Said it before, will say it again; The easy solution is to go back to sub 100 render events, remove the fucking Dylan MC arc which is a game inside the game and should be a standalone project imo, and upping production (aka render/day count) to pre-act2 levels. That way, L&P would be able to release 1-2 PD's a year providing content for every route like he used to. But he's not doing that and so we are left with 400+ render events and at this point more than 2 years for a single PD which in return means hardly any content on any route for many years to come...or rather never as clearly the game will eventually end up being abandoned because 50 years of development left is just a ridiculous number.

I wouldn't say that the whole first part was of high quality, the beginning of the game was full of poorly written ridiculous situations and stupid shit, to be honest, then he somehow turned the game into a more serious tone in order to turn everything into a more frivolous channel, here I have two options. He just worked with someone, with a screenwriter, who wrote him exactly the plot that was based on his story, then either he had a different screenwriter, or he was just too lazy to come up with a more or less real plot, that's all
Maybe he's using AI to write scenes now.
OH MY GOD, I'M A MARRIED WOMAN.
(С)

 

[phill_leotardo]

View attachment 4381151

If you ask me whats my favourite scene in this VN
Its this one
This is the first VN i felt such satisfaction seeing the blackmailer got what he deserved.
One gone , now history teacher's turn
Gentleman Mafia got some style
View attachment 4381155

Because mobsters are known for brandishing automatic rifles and shotguns to handle underage bullies, i would delete this from the game if i could

 

[XaGnard]

Act 1 was of higher quality in the sense that L&P was able to provide content for pretty much every route due to much lower render count per event. I disagree when you say the game should revolve around Dylan/Ellie/Liam/Sophia just because it's titled "A Wife And Mother". When I started playing, I did it for Sophia's adventures outside of that. I was never a fan of the incest routes, and L&P was able to deliver content for everyone back in the day. Still somewhat slow, but atleast some progress was made.

I was interested to see where Sophia would end up with characters like the school's headmaster, janitor Clark, Bennett, the neighbors, Liam's boss, the Morellos, partying with her sister..and more. All of those routes could have eventually turned Sophia into a corrupted version of herself cheating on her husband and succumbing to San Alejo's temptations one way or another. There was zero need for Dylan/Ellie incest or whatever if you didn't want it to be part of your game.

Now, with time, L&P turned his game into an absolute dumpster fire with ever increasing renders per event, slower production in general, bigger PD's aswell as a bunch more 2nd MC Dylan events that weren't even planned in the first place. Said it before, will say it again; The easy solution is to go back to sub 100 render events, remove the fucking Dylan MC arc which is a game inside the game and should be a standalone project imo, and upping production (aka render/day count) to pre-act2 levels. That way, L&P would be able to release 1-2 PD's a year providing content for every route like he used to. But he's not doing that and so we are left with 400+ render events and at this point more than 2 years for a single PD which in return means hardly any content on any route for many years to come...or rather never as clearly the game will eventually end up being abandoned because 50 years of development left is just a ridiculous number.

Why do you assume that a porn game with the title “A Wife and Mother” will not feature incest as the main story line? The title is obvious and if you didn't realize that, then you should really think about it again. Honestly, it's all so obvious that I can just tell you, it's your own fault.

The rest of my statement also stands, since not only the main story elements are getting longer, but also the unnecessary side story events (such as the last one with the older gentlemen). The difference is not that act 2 is worse than act 1, but that the mid game has now begun. The problem is not that something is finally happening, but that so much time is spent on unnecessary side stories. In particular, when these side stories bring practically nothing new, but are only a repetition of what is already happening, in a different compilation, including another Blackmail story. That is garbage.

No. If L&P want to save AWAM in some way, then he has to focus on the main story and develop it in a systematic and exciting way. It needs twists and turns that can then contribute to an acceleration of the action. To do that, L&P can also remove unnecessary side story elements, especially if they have virtually no connection to the main story, like in the last update.

 

[Lust & nipple]

Why do you assume that a porn game with the title “A Wife and Mother” will not feature incest as the main story line? The title is obvious and if you didn't realize that, then you should really think about it again. Honestly, it's all so obvious that I can just tell you, it's your own fault.

The rest of my statement also stands, since not only the main story elements are getting longer, but also the unnecessary side story events (such as the last one with the older gentlemen). The difference is not that act 2 is worse than act 1, but that the mid game has now begun. The problem is not that something is finally happening, but that so much time is spent on unnecessary side stories. In particular, when these side stories bring practically nothing new, but are only a repetition of what is already happening, in a different compilation, including another Blackmail story. That is garbage.

No. If L&P want to save AWAM in some way, then he has to focus on the main story and develop it in a systematic and exciting way. It needs twists and turns that can then contribute to an acceleration of the action. To do that, L&P can also remove unnecessary side story elements, especially if they have virtually no connection to the main story, like in the last update.

I understood that he meant that updates were released more quickly and across all storylines (he could just get the content he liked specifically.), but as it is, this is a game exclusively for all key MILF fetishes, it has never been a vanilla game.
From the very beginning, the game had a theme with young and adults, as well as an incest theme, age play, this is the basic add-on
Initially, the first scenes in the game are about this

 

[Hotcoupleeasy]

The process we're going to see

BJ
BJ (cum in mouth)
BJ (deepthroat)
Pussy rubbing
Insert finger into pussy (but, i'm married..)
Cunnilingus

It will take as early as three years or more than five years, have a nice trip

Ass-job

 

[Doloman]

The main heat of passions has passed and that's good. Many accuse the author of various "sins" - greedy, liar, lazy. I think this is nonsense. He builds his business as best he can. Whoever can do it better, let him do something similar and be proud of it.
The peculiarity is that he is a wonderful artist, but a mediocre screenwriter and director. Here Sofia was accused of bipolar disorder. Forgetting that she is a set of pixels and her behavior is the decision of the director of the project. She can throw a near-hysteria because of underwear that fell out of a box, and then tell a worker the size of her boobs. She is embarrassed to wash in the shower with her daughter, and tells a schoolboy from the class where she teaches about the color of her nipples. Of course, the author has bipolar disorder...
When after the 12th day, Sophia's behavior suddenly "went bad", the author should have spent 1 update on Sophia's story, which would explain the abrupt transition of her behavior from hypocrisy to sluttiness.

Because there is a logic of life and it is not acceptable here - this is a porn game. But there is a logic of a game, where the plot unfolds within the parameters conceived by the author, even in a porn game, as a rule, there is, if not logic, then a certain sequence of actions. And there is a logic of porn videos and Japanese anime, when there is nothing before and nothing after is implied - only here and now.

The author combined the process of creating a porn video and porn anime, where the script itself is no longer important, but the poses, the number of participants and the attractiveness of the characters are important. The game has turned into a set of scenes. It is no longer necessary to play, it is enough to enter the gallery and open any scene, which are united not by the plot development of the game, but by the permanent characters who flicker in these videos.
This is a good marketing move by the author. Those who remember the game from the beginning either leave or will leave. The game is no longer "hooked", any beauty becomes boring. And dividing the process into separate events without a beginning and an end will attract new fans who will again carry money to the piggy bank, wanting to know: What's next? Therefore, perhaps, the author again introduces blackmail, although he promised that there would be no more blackmail. This move is both a godsend and a trap for the author. He will inevitably have to put Sofia in increasingly dirty situations in order to attract sponsors and fans to the game. Look how quickly she degrades in the broad sense of the word. The heroine instantly became a stupid "bimbo" chicken who NEVER refused anyone, EXCEPT HER HUSBAND (1 time). Sad.

 

[jamdan]

This game doesn't really have a real main story. It's more like... 3-4 "main stories" mixed together.

The home stuff. Things involving the day to day life of Sophia and her family/friends.
The Aiden stuff. Things involving Aiden and her being blackmailed by him and his gang.
The Mafia stuff. Things involving the mafia, Liam's debt etc.
The "other stuff." Mostly things that involve Ellie/Dylan as the MC, with their own LI's and routes.

And then you have various side-characters and routes that don't have much to do with any of those things. The side-jobs, the gym people etc.


To me, the main plot should've been about the Mafia. Simply because the mafia is broad enough to be able to do basically anything you'd want, but would still lead to culling a lot of excess characters/routes.

For example, get rid of Aiden and his gang, replace them with the Mafia. The dynamic would basically be the same, but now Sophia would actually have a compelling reason to do things instead of being bullied by a highschool thug that she could, in theory, have expelled anytime she wanted. The Mafia would have real leverage over her. The Mafia could want, say, Ellie to do things too. This would've allowed Sophia to have some agency, will she get her daughter involved, or will she try to protect her? Put Dylan in, and Sophia could do the same for him. If Sophia doesn't do X, Dylan is going to get beatdown. Even somebody like Sam, him being a white-knight savior would actually make sense.

Then you'd rid of all the characters/routes that aren't connected together. And that would include both Ellie and Dylan's specific routes/LI's, maybe the school etc. Or hell, if you don't want Aiden to be killed off too, make him Morello's son who watches Sophia in class for him.

 

[BishopPartisan]

at least he should have built it like this:
AWAM dylan route/edition
AWAM sam route/edition
AWAM kiddie porn route
AWAM blackmailing geezers edition
and such

and he wouldn't start another route until the previous route is completed.

that way it would have way more immersive, and certainly better for the players, but now he shoves down lesbian stuff to shota lovers or old geezers to incest lovers ... and they have to take it due to the lack of content.
and so the current situation and all the backlashes.

 

[BishopPartisan]

This game doesn't really have a real main story. It's more like... 3-4 "main stories" mixed together.

The home stuff. Things involving the day to day life of Sophia and her family/friends.
The Aiden stuff. Things involving Aiden and her being blackmailed by him and his gang.
The Mafia stuff. Things involving the mafia, Liam's debt etc.
The "other stuff." Mostly things that involve Ellie/Dylan as the MC, with their own LI's and routes.

And then you have various side-characters and routes that don't have much to do with any of those things. The side-jobs, the gym people etc.


To me, the main plot should've been about the Mafia. Simply because the mafia is broad enough to be able to do basically anything you'd want, but would still lead to culling a lot of excess characters/routes.

For example, get rid of Aiden and his gang, replace them with the Mafia. The dynamic would basically be the same, but now Sophia would actually have a compelling reason to do things instead of being bullied by a highschool thug that she could, in theory, have expelled anytime she wanted. The Mafia would have real leverage over her. The Mafia could want, say, Ellie to do things too. This would've allowed Sophia to have some agency, will she get her daughter involved, or will she try to protect her? Put Dylan in, and Sophia could do the same for him. If Sophia doesn't do X, Dylan is going to get beatdown. Even somebody like Sam, him being a white-knight savior would actually make sense.

Then you'd rid of all the characters/routes that aren't connected together. And that would include both Ellie and Dylan's specific routes/LI's, maybe the school etc. Or hell, if you don't want Aiden to be killed off too, make him Morello's son who watches Sophia in class for him.

it's more like manga/comic series now,
next in the queue must be sophia in space, sophia in underwater, sophia in jungle,... :|

 

[Porrit2022]

Can you post your save?

Thank you

 

[Golomolo]

This game doesn't really have a real main story. It's more like... 3-4 "main stories" mixed together.



To me, the main plot should've been about the Mafia. Simply because the mafia is broad enough to be able to do basically anything you'd want, but would still lead to culling a lot of excess characters/routes.

For example, get rid of Aiden and his gang, replace them with the Mafia. The dynamic would basically be the same, but now Sophia would actually have a compelling reason to do things instead of being bullied by a highschool thug that she could, in theory, have expelled anytime she wanted. The Mafia would have real leverage over her. The Mafia could want, say, Ellie to do things too. This would've allowed Sophia to have some agency, will she get her daughter involved, or will she try to protect her? Put Dylan in, and Sophia could do the same for him. If Sophia doesn't do X, Dylan is going to get beatdown. Even somebody like Sam, him being a white-knight savior would actually make sense.

You raise a interesting point. The thing with the mafia angle would they are the freaking mafia, they could do anything in the city, even finish someone off if they want to. Keep in mind Liam owns them a lot of money, they are already in debt which they are unable to pay off. They won't work with just threats, they can do things that can't be imagined. If he uses the plot well, it would actually make sense and progress the story in very creative ways. There will always be a threat hanging, for her and her family's safety. It would mean there could be times when she has to make big decisions, and not just doing little things, but big things or else face huge consequences.

 

[Ranxerox]

Hi,
There used to be list with upcoming updates.
Meaning what will be included with which characters. Side story or main.

Can someone share it?

Hi..
Check the bottom of my signature for the link..
Also, be sure to like that post or thank the author, and bookmark it for future reference.
GL

 

[Bibifoc]

Thank you

You made your save at the end of the 2nd side job. This one isn't present by default in any official version of the game.

You have to add the 2nd side job first.

 

[CammyTheWhite]

What a terrible update, hahahaha.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

who is the star of the next event ? dylan or sam

Liam

 

[G_morning]

Download v0.211 patch from page 1, unzip then put the contents into the v0.215 game folder

Thank you, you helped me with this too. As a token of my gratitude, I'm sending you a slightly altered image from the game.

 

[Porrit2022]

You made your save at the end of the 2nd side job. This one isn't present by default in any official version of the game.

You have to add the 2nd side job first.

2nd side job? Do you mean Home Schooling?

 

[FluffyBunnyCarrotStick]

You didn't even reply with a good argument as I thought you would when you said that you ''didn't agree'' that Milk & Passion was scamming his supporters because (in your own words) "He may not be releasing the kind of content you and I wish for after all these years, but he IS releasing content" .... oh really ? wow ! what a ''great'' argument you have given to refute the FACT that Milk & Passion is indeed scamming his supporters (rolls eyes*) . Releasing new content featuring new who-gives-a-fuck characters , unimportant to the main story just to milk his patrons more, and to avoid getting into the main sex events with the main characters (her family and neighbors) that every wants to see , is what we call SCAMMING and you being all ''positive'' about it suggesting to that guy ,who is frustrated and angry and warning people of what he sees and is evident , (i.e. the scamming) and of what this asshole's (Milk&Passion) is doing, suggesting him/her to ''move on'' and to do not 'waste energy' complaining about what this asshole dev is doing, is the kind of thing a ''positive'' asshole would tell to a person who is expressing his or her frustration , it's called : GASLIGHTING and it is a very dickish thing to do to a person who is frustrated and angry, because you are basically denying that he or she has a right to complaint because (according to you) they don't have a valid point and a valid reason to complain about it, because according to you what they are complaining about is just not happening and it is a ''waste of energy'' to complaing about it, even when there are other people who also sees what he (or she) sees and feel the same way about it because IT IS happening: The developer IS scamming his patreon supporters and it needs to be said. So if you don't have a valid argument to refute that he is scamming, save your ''positive'' advice suggesting people to ''move on'' , because nobody needs it, and it is because of people like YOU (who don't give a fuck about their scamming) that these asshole scamming developers thrive.

"oh really ? wow ! what a ''great'' argument you have given to refute the FACT that Milk & Passion is indeed scamming his supporters (rolls eyes*)"

Objectively, he is not scamming his supporters. This isn't up for debate, my friend. He released these last 2 updates by his own supporters demands. He's giving his financial supporters exactly what they asked for. How is that scamming? You're throwing around labels because he isn't releasing the content that YOU want, and it's OK to be disappointed, but you seem REALLY upset over this.

And waggling your finger at "people like me" is silly. We're on a pirate site, mate. I don't financially support L&P. I get everything off this website for free. I don't get overly invested in porn games... that once again, I get for free. And my advice, which has and will always work - is to move on. If people do not support a developer, they either have to change their habits or go out of business. Look at all the AAA studios losing hundreds of millions of dollars because they aren't producing the games and content that consumers want. I'm right and this as well isn't up for debate. Tata!