VN Ren'Py A Wife at Stake [v0.050] [eHellJay]

[NMTTL]

Its enough for me to correct AWAS ! But seriously....you've still done a good job. Its your Point system that bothers me and therefore the resulting consequences. Thats the ONLY thing...because it doesn t follow any human logic. If i despise a person and push him/her away...over and over...how can i allow this Person gettin close to me?!? (the last forced Scene in the Villa is in hinsight of my played decisions ridiculous) Even you have to admit...that this is more than odd...! You even have a render in Ep 6 where Laura says “bye..love you” to Vince...even if you're on the path where you've rejected ALL flirting attempts....! How does that make Sense? I think that you are a good Developer and i really like your Game, but maybe you should switch to a simple YES or NO precedure, like almost everybody else. Put as many spicy Scenes in your Games as you want, but leave the decision to see them to the Players. Don t force the Player into a pre-choosen LI. I haven t played the other Parts of your Game (EP 9??) and i don t know how your Story will further unfold (since you are offering 4 different Gamepaths) but after this Episode i really don t know if i want to see more of this forced stuff. I know that you probably give a s***t about my opinion but maybe you have an open mind and you just try to put yourself in your players' shoes and play through your own game very slowly. Maybe then you'll see one or two logical errors....! Anyway...i still wish you all the Best and a lot of success with your Game.

You've hit the nail on the head: life is almost never “yes” or “no”, and all my games suffer from this approach to refusing basic choices. Already in Think Twice, the players couldn't understand the behavior of the very first protagonist, who preferred the success of his offshore company project to saving his marriage. He was playing on the edge and could only lose. It drove many crazy. And they weren't as polite as you, believe me. I'm not inviting you to play Think Twice because you don't like love stories that end badly, even though they're my inspiration and my business. So you're in for a world of hurt.
Similarly, how else can you explain Debbie's dissonance when she's married to the bravest guy on earth, and she's banging the hunk who wouldn't look at her in high school, just because she's flattered to be able to do so today? That's why I was writing about the past catching up with her and a missed opportunity in the teaser. Is this moral? Of course not! But I'm not interested in “moral” stories! (Who is here, seriously?)
With AWAS, it's a little different, but in the same vein: if Laura is too accommodating with Vincenzo, even though she wants to keep him at a distance, it's because she doesn't want to spoil the financial opportunity. She doesn't want to “break the bank” and miss out on buying the building. And besides, she was a great fan of him three years ago (her secret sweet dream)... I haven't emphasized this point enough.
If there's one thing I'd greatly improve, it's the precise, progressive construction of the characters and the story. But hey, I make mistakes and I learn...
My problem is that all this takes an inordinate amount of time, which I don't have, and it would have to be proofread by third parties, which isn't done.
And if it's to develop bullshit stories that don't suit me, and for once I'm going to write about it: like 95% of the stories found here, I'd rather refrain from publishing regularly. I'm going to build my stories at ease, completely, and I'll only publish them, month by month, when they're finished. So... See you in 3 years.

PS. The point system starts making sense only from the end of episode 7, when another protagonist tries his luck, and mostly in route 3, where Laura stays faithful - because from my point of view, only kissing Vincenzo is not cheating. And don't talk to me about NTR, I didn't even think of it a single second!

 

[GokutheG]

You've hit the nail on the head: life is almost never “yes” or “no”, and all my games suffer from this approach to refusing basic choices. Already in Think Twice, the players couldn't understand the behavior of the very first protagonist, who preferred the success of his offshore company project to saving his marriage. He was playing on the edge and could only lose. It drove many crazy. And they weren't as polite as you, believe me. I'm not inviting you to play Think Twice because you don't like love stories that end badly, even though they're my inspiration and my business. So you're in for a world of hurt.
Similarly, how else can you explain Debbie's dissonance when she's married to the bravest guy on earth, and she's banging the hunk who wouldn't look at her in high school, just because she's flattered to be able to do so today? That's why I was writing about the past catching up with her and a missed opportunity in the teaser. Is this moral? Of course not! But I'm not interested in “moral” stories! (Who is here, seriously?)
With AWAS, it's a little different, but in the same vein: if Laura is too accommodating with Vincenzo, even though she wants to keep him at a distance, it's because she doesn't want to spoil the financial opportunity. She doesn't want to “break the bank” and miss out on buying the building. And besides, she was a great fan of him three years ago (her secret sweet dream)... I haven't emphasized this point enough.
If there's one thing I'd greatly improve, it's the precise, progressive construction of the characters and the story. But hey, I make mistakes and I learn...
My problem is that all this takes an inordinate amount of time, which I don't have, and it would have to be proofread by third parties, which isn't done.
And if it's to develop bullshit stories that don't suit me, and for once I'm going to write about it: like 95% of the stories found here, I'd rather refrain from publishing regularly. I'm going to build my stories at ease, completely, and I'll only publish them, month by month, when they're finished. So... See you in 3 years.

PS. The point system starts making sense only from the end of episode 7, when another protagonist tries his luck, and mostly in route 3, where Laura stays faithful - because from my point of view, only kissing Vincenzo is not cheating. And don't talk to me about NTR, I didn't even think of it a single second!

It seems like you're saying you're writing a kinetic novel but with false choices that don't matter if the player doesn't want the mc to hook up with a certain character. Choices that are ignored are always annoying to players and it would be better to remove them if the options to reject a LI are ignored.

 

[NMTTL]

It seems like you're saying you're writing a kinetic novel but with false choices that don't matter if the player doesn't want the mc to hook up with a certain character. Choices that are ignored are always annoying to players and it would be better to remove them if the options to reject a LI are ignored.

I totally disagree with your description and analysis. If the choices don't matter, how do you explain the fact that there are 4 routes? This game is anything but a KN. But I'm not making a game to pander to players, or to offer them only what they expect and have already done a thousand times. That's my choice. If that bores you, if you can't stand waiting to see how a plot develops, if you want things to be black or white, please don't play any more of my games, because they'll never suit you. I've got two more in the pipeline, "Inoculation" and "What Goes Around...", and I can tell you they'll be of the same ilk. You've been warned!

 

[darmoe]

thanks

Wake up! In an outpouring of generosity, I just shared the free version of it (episode 6) somewhere...

Can anyone who has access to episode 6 share here?
Thank you

 

[GokutheG]

I totally disagree with your description and analysis. If the choices don't matter, how do you explain the fact that there are 4 routes? This game is anything but a KN. But I'm not making a game to pander to players, or to offer them only what they expect and have already done a thousand times. That's my choice. If that bores you, if you can't stand waiting to see how a plot develops, if you want things to be black or white, please don't play any more of my games, because they'll never suit you. I've got two more in the pipeline, "Inoculation" and "What Goes Around...", and I can tell you they'll be of the same ilk. You've been warned!

You may have 4 routes but if you're getting complaints about choices where the player has the mc turn down a character's advances at every turn but still have a sex scene with them regardless of player's input that is not satisfying. How do these choices matter if they aren't respected?

 

[NMTTL]

You may have 4 routes but if you're getting complaints about choices where the player has the mc turn down a character's advances at every turn but still have a sex scene with them regardless of player's input that is not satisfying. How do these choices matter if they aren't respected?

Did you play the game beyond episode 6? Did you explore every route? Did you see Laura having sex with the guy? Why are you writing so much without having a clue of what really happens? What StrawberryCheese83 wrote is that she kisses him; nothing less, nothing more. But for him/her, it's just unbearable. If you really want to know how the story turns, discover it by yourself. I tell you: in two routes, the guy won't fuck her that soon.

 

[GokutheG]

I tell you: in two routes, the guy won't fuck her that soon.

And I think this is the problem. If the player constantly picks the option not to engage with a LI it can cause frustration if it happens despite that.

Your game seems interesting but if I'll be forced to be intimate with a LI that I have absolutely no interest in then it will ruin the experience and turn into a waste of time.

 

[NMTTL]

And I think this is the problem. If the player constantly picks the option not to engage with a LI it can cause frustration if it happens despite that.

Your game seems interesting but if I'll be forced to be intimate with a LI that I have absolutely no interest in then it will ruin the experience and turn into a waste of time.

Okay. Ok... Here we're verging on silly militancy: I write you that you're wrong about the rest of the game and you persist.
We're definitely straying from an intelligent debate. Let's leave it at that!

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

Did you play the game beyond episode 6? Did you explore every route? Did you see Laura having sex with the guy? Why are you writing so much without having a clue of what really happens? What StrawberryCheese83 wrote is that she kisses him; nothing less, nothing more. But for him/her, it's just unbearable. If you really want to know how the story turns, discover it by yourself. I tell you: in two routes, the guy won't fuck her that soon.

Ah ah ah Mr./Mrs. NMTTL...please let me intervene here : This "Kiss" is not unbearable for me....its more like that the "kiss" doesn t fit in my Gamepath at all. But i m gonna give you the benefit of an doubt that aaaall of this isn t a big deal and that you will stick to your word that one of your 4 Gamepaths contains a faithful way. I feel a little bit sorry for you that you think that every person in here is a weirdo/pervert and just want to get a quick fap. Take a look at the search Section and you will find a Point that says "Romance"...There are sooo many Games in here that contains real Romance and Gamepaths where you can clearly make a Choice between different Li`s. There are even Games without any sexual content and a good Story. We all have different tastes and i am not judging (neither you nor anybody else) and its your god damn right to create a Story about your fantasies/tastes. If you find your personal fantasy fullfilled in "destroying" a relationship...then so be it. It is okay....but be aware that this is something what most of the Players doesn t want at all during a Gameplay (without a Choice). Most of (us) doesn t want to play a "Jack in the Box"....Gamepaths should be clearly marked as a "Slutroute", "faithful", "cheating", or "sharing"...! If you have (at some point) the Time and check out a few different Games (similar to your Game) you will find out that most of the successfull Games in this Forum (and on Patreon/Itchio) are clearly marked with a Content warning. So, usually you know what kind of VN you are playing. If a Dev gives a shit about the Content and doesn t clear it up there is ALWAYS a big argument in the other threads. Been there a lot of time. Your solution is easy : Mark your Goals clearly. You can use your fantasy, thats total fine, but mark it. Tell the Ppl what awaits them in your Game...and write in plain English that your Game (for e.g.) doesn t have good endings; that the Wife will Cheat behind husband back or whatever...that cheating, sharing, ntr, nts, cuckold could be a part of your Game....and if your Game have a "love", or "revenge" Route...mark it also. Ppl. love this...and they know from the beginning how to deal with your Game.

Btw..i am a Male, not in my 20`s and not in my 40`s, and suprise, suprise i am working on the "right Side" of the law. Maybe thats the reason why i can t stand injustice, cheating and/or lying. Maybe it s a little bit odd the be on a pirate Site...but..ah...who gives a Crap!?!?

 

[NMTTL]

Ah ah ah Mr./Mrs. NMTTL...please let me intervene here : This "Kiss" is not unbearable for me....its more like that the "kiss" doesn t fit in my Gamepath at all. But i m gonna give you the benefit of an doubt that aaaall of this isn t a big deal and that you will stick to your word that one of your 4 Gamepaths contains a faithful way. I feel a little bit sorry for you that you think that every person in here is a weirdo/pervert and just want to get a quick fap. Take a look at the search Section and you will find a Point that says "Romance"...There are sooo many Games in here that contains real Romance and Gamepaths where you can clearly make a Choice between different Li`s. There are even Games without any sexual content and a good Story. We all have different tastes and i am not judging (neither you nor anybody else) and its your god damn right to create a Story about your fantasies/tastes. If you find your personal fantasy fullfilled in "destroying" a relationship...then so be it. It is okay....but be aware that this is something what most of the Players doesn t want at all during a Gameplay (without a Choice). Most of (us) doesn t want to play a "Jack in the Box"....Gamepaths should be clearly marked as a "Slutroute", "faithful", "cheating", or "sharing"...! If you have (at some point) the Time and check out a few different Games (similar to your Game) you will find out that most of the successfull Games in this Forum (and on Patreon/Itchio) are clearly marked with a Content warning. So, usually you know what kind of VN you are playing. If a Dev gives a shit about the Content and doesn t clear it up there is ALWAYS a big argument in the other threads. Been there a lot of time. Your solution is easy : Mark your Goals clearly. You can use your fantasy, thats total fine, but mark it. Tell the Ppl what awaits them in your Game...and write in plain English that your Game (for e.g.) doesn t have good endings; that the Wife will Cheat behind husband back or whatever...that cheating, sharing, ntr, nts, cuckold could be a part of your Game....and if your Game have a "love", or "revenge" Route...mark it also. Ppl. love this...and they know from the beginning how to deal with your Game.

Btw..i am a Male, not in my 20`s and not in my 40`s, and suprise, suprise i am working on the "right Side" of the law. Maybe thats the reason why i can t stand injustice, cheating and/or lying. Maybe it s a little bit odd the be on a pirate Site...but..ah...who gives a Crap!?!?

Well, I'm going to have to clarify a few things too, because once again you're writing without knowledge.

• The first is your assertion that many of the games here are about romantic, virtuous stories. But what kind of glasses are you wearing? Magnifying, distorting? I once did a quick survey of the contents, and believe me, you're far from reality. In fact, I think you're a victim of the “Rosenthal effect”, which consists in seeing and retaining only the facts that confirm your opinion or your expectations. That's my opinion, for what it's worth!
• The second concerns my “fantasies”. It's not so much a question of fantasies as of process or genre. Let me explain. Crime fiction is a genre, it's always based on a crime, with (I'm simplifying) two main approaches (you either know the culprit or you don't). In the case of my erotic stories (not pornographic in the strict sense), it's similar: the crime is cheating (you should be pleased that I consider it a crime, shouldn't you?), it's always present, and I try to describe its genesis, its reasons (good and bad). I'm not drawn to themes like sharing or what I believe to be NTR/NTS (one's willingness to deceive or be deceived). And I'm not talking about other fetishes which I don't condemn, but which don't speak to me. On the other hand, yes, I do enjoy describing and picturing the scenes and circumstances of seduction and relationships. So, to put it plainly, I equate your prose (I mean your whole prose since you started) to that of a reader who would come and tell the writer of a detective novel that it's disgusting to have killed someone, or committed a robbery, and that he'd be much better off writing uhhh... But writing what, by the way?
• The third, and the main one, concerns your total ignorance of what's going on with my games. Since I don't want them to appear on this site, I'm not responsible for the tags associated with them. Send your complaints to BOB69. The problem is that (s)he's probably never played my games. You have! I think I've written this many times, but you've probably never read me. If it had been up to me and my behavior regarding the distribution of my games, you'd probably never have played them. You wouldn't even know I existed, and I wouldn't be sorry about that. If you'd like to discuss things and get information, come to my site (you may already be there). You'll get all the information you want. Everyone (or almost everyone) is welcome. All I ask is that you register and state your age, because that's what I have to do. But we know what it's worth...
• The fourth. What does it mean to be on the right side of the law? Let me tell you: for me, it probably means nothing! You know, I've never committed a (serious) crime and I've never cheated on my partner. You mustn't confuse the real with the imaginary...
  And if your imagination only ever envisages the straight and narrow, I pity you. I really do. But that's a debate for psychologists, and I'm not one. Far from it!
• And finally. Why on earth are you still playing my games? Haven't you realized yet that you're not my target audience? And why are you criticizing the tags? I have a hunch your comment might be a case of occupational hazard kicking in. Did you come here to restore order on a site where you shouldn't be. But hey, who gives a crap, right?

PS: You'll have noticed that I don't start my answer with “ah ah ah”. Let's leave that to Diantha2062 whose sole business, by the way, is reacting on my games and this thread.

 

[NMTTL]

All stale

All wrong!

 

[vescho]

wrong ?

 

[johny555]

Wake up! In an outpouring of generosity, I just shared the free version of it (episode 6) somewhere...

Where is the free episode 6 download link?
There used to be a free download of link of the episode 5 on the ehelljay site a month or two ago but i cant find the free episode 6 anywhere.

 

[Ramkumar199496]

Subscriptions are closed on your website why?

All wrong!

 

[Adhdclassic]

Wow this thread.SMH. Players not happy they will be forced to have sex with a character. DEV going to do the game the way they want to. Clearly wasted arguments. Play don't play. DEV is clearly not changing anything.

 

[vescho]

Wow this thread.SMH. Players not happy they will be forced to have sex with a character. DEV going to do the game the way they want to. Clearly wasted arguments. Play don't play. DEV is clearly not changing anything.

i like it on dev

 

[kaifin]

where i get next chapters, its only free until 5, someone share plx

 

[vescho]

where i get next chapters, its only free until 5, someone share plx

only NMTTL

 

[kaifin]

I indeed started from that movie plot (see previous posts in this thread). But I changed it to another more 'spicy' story with now four different routes. Don't worry: there are a few hot scenes already, and a lot more to come...
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Can you please release a link with the new chapters, since the developer only released up to chapter 5. And still closed new subs, what kind of developer prevents the public from playing their own game? This is the first time I've seen this, "you can't subscribe or play for free" without a shadow of a doubt the most bizarre decision I've ever seen.

 

[NMTTL]

Wow this thread.SMH. Players not happy they will be forced to have sex with a character. DEV going to do the game the way they want to. Clearly wasted arguments. Play don't play. DEV is clearly not changing anything.

Keep on shaking, baby! You do it right!