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Not sure that's true since I am not a Patron and don't know what the feedback is there.
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DR,Pink is a sadistic a$$hole....lol.... how dare he make us have to choose between megan and Melissa!!!!!!!!
nope nope nope that ending nope nope fuck that i want both to be alive im going a solo megan route but nope fuck it nope mellisa is to great
while i understand this is not quite what you wanted I feel this has been a fairly natural progression of the story while the ending was a bit out of the blue almost all of this was hinted at or talked about in earlier chapters good stories need twists and so far i have really been enjoying the latter half of this game way more than i did the beginning i took a break from this game since update 3 to let it develop and after this update it might just be one of my favorite games on this site. now it is no depraved awakening but it's a good game that tells it's story very well and gives plenty of player choice and I am happy this person decided to tell the story they wanted not the story people wanted them to make.
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I think everyone needs to relax.
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- May 28, 2017
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Nice to see you here too, haha, kinda see you everywhere, but that ain't a bad thing
And yeah, this is one of the best VNs I've ever played, this VN as well as Depraved Awakening are some the only true novels out there
This update sure did get some pretty split opinions, a lot of people got upset, and I don't blame them really, I understand why they would feel that way. People already got upset at the end of episode 5 when that step-douche broke in the house and the episode left in a cliffhanger, people started saying things like "this better not result in Megan getting raped!" and stuff like that. Almost did happen but Megan's a strong girl, held her own, thankfully
Sorry if I left your comment out of these quotes. I just got through reading the last 12 pages of the thread since playing the game last night and started clicking the QUOTE button because I had a response in mind, then changed my response like 15 times while clicking QUOTE on messages that interested me, but oh well, here we are....
My first reaction to this update is that the ending went from drama (good!) to melodrama (not good!). Then I saw that @Burt Reynolds Mustache commented on this exact point already, more adroitly than I can, which is why he makes the big bucks as a writer I presume
.Then I was thinking, okay, the last few updates have ended in "cliffhangers" only to find that the next update clearly showed there was no cliff nor hang. Others above have explained more eloquently than I can how using "fake" cliffhangers multiple times in a row has cheapened the game. So, look, if you are at all worried that one of the ladies might not survive, you just haven't been paying attention. I'm pretty sure by the 7th click of the next update you'll find that both are healthy (but I imagine the one you didn't choose to save might realize it... which sounds like cheap melodrama rather than actual quality drama, as others have mentioned). But's it's kinda sad that one of the most intriguing dramatic plots has turned into a second-rate soap opera.
My main interest though is the extent to which people don't want to play an adult visual novel that forces them to confront difficult, challenging, adult feelings. I should mention up front that my own life was turned upside down at the age of 12 when my 10-year-old brother was diagnosed with cancer. I vividly remember him vomiting for hours on end every week after chemo, which went on for over a year. He got better. Then he had a relapse when he was 16 and the treatments were even more severe. But he beat it, and now he's healthy and doing well. I'm only mentioning this to say that I completely understand anyone quitting this game because they would rather not confront those kinds of feelings when playing a porn game. Those scenes with Liam and his friend triggered some harsh memories for me. If anyone quits this game because they just would rather not be confronted with characters they love battling cancer, you have my complete sympathy and understanding.
But for me, it's cathartic. This is going to sound pretty lame maybe, but the MC is having conversations and bonding experiences with Liam that I wish I could have with my brother. I mean, we weren't exactly helping get the other laid at 12 years old haha, but as someone who has loved a brother with cancer and still loves and cherishes a brother who beat it, I have valued how this game has fleshed out this party of the story. This is powerful, quality story-writing.
Also, it's interesting that so many of the angry comments are about what MIGHT happen rather than what has actually happened. If anyone wants to quit the game because his girlfriend/wife/significant other cheated on him and this story brings those issues up, that make sense too! Oddly, I haven't seen many people comment that they don't want to continue with the game because Ana cheated on him, which I can only assume is a much more common real-life experience than "I am in love with two girls who have agreed to love me back, but I have to choose which girl to save!!!" (commence eye rolling)
TL;DR The dev has used melodramatic cliff-hangers before, so the girls will be fine, but melodrama might be spoiling one of the better adult visual novels I've ever played... I'll keep giving it a chance, because the dev has shown he has the skills to redeem himself.
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Sorry if I left your comment out of these quotes. I just got through reading the last 12 pages of the thread since playing the game last night and started clicking the QUOTE button because I had a response in mind, then changed my response like 15 times while clicking QUOTE on messages that interested me, but oh well, here we are....
My first reaction to this update is that the ending went from drama (good!) to melodrama (not good!). Then I saw that @Burt Reynolds Mustache commented on this exact point already, more adroitly than I can, which is why he makes the big bucks as a writer I presume
Then I was thinking, okay, the last few updates have ended in "cliffhangers" only to find that the next update clearly showed there was no cliff nor hang. Others above have explained more eloquently than I can how using "fake" cliffhangers multiple times in a row has cheapened the game. So, look, if you are at all worried that one of the ladies might not survive, you just haven't been paying attention. I'm pretty sure by the 7th click of the next update you'll find that both are healthy (but I imagine the one you didn't choose to save might realize it... which sounds like cheap melodrama rather than actual quality drama, as others have mentioned). But's it's kinda sad that one of the most intriguing dramatic plots has turned into a second-rate soap opera.
My main interest though is the extent to which people don't want to play an adult visual novel that forces them to confront difficult, challenging, adult feelings. I should mention up front that my own life was turned upside down at the age of 12 when my 10-year-old brother was diagnosed with cancer. I vividly remember him vomiting for hours on end every week after chemo, which went on for over a year. He got better. Then he had a relapse when he was 16 and the treatments were even more severe. But he beat it, and now he's healthy and doing well. I'm only mentioning this to say that I completely understand anyone quitting this game because they would rather not confront those kinds of feelings when playing a porn game. Those scenes with Liam and his friend triggered some harsh memories for me. If anyone quits this game because they just would rather not be confronted with characters they love battling cancer, you have my complete sympathy and understanding.
But for me, it's cathartic. This is going to sound pretty lame maybe, but the MC is having conversations and bonding experiences with Liam that I wish I could have with my brother. I mean, we weren't exactly helping get the other laid at 12 years old haha, but as someone who has loved a brother with cancer and still loves and cherishes a brother who beat it, I have valued how this game has fleshed out this party of the story. This is powerful, quality story-writing.
Also, it's interesting that so many of the angry comments are about what MIGHT happen rather than what has actually happened. If anyone wants to quit the game because his girlfriend/wife/significant other cheated on him and this story brings those issues up, that make sense too! Oddly, I haven't seen many people comment that they don't want to continue with the game because Ana cheated on him, which I can only assume is a much more common real-life experience than "I am in love with two girls who have agreed to love me back, but I have to choose which girl to save!!!" (commence eye rolling)
TL;DR The dev has used melodramatic cliff-hangers before, so the girls will be fine, but melodrama might be spoiling one of the better adult visual novels I've ever played... I'll keep giving it a chance, because the dev has shown he has the skills to redeem himself.
Difference being the choice happening here directly before it WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO CHOOSE WHO TO SAVE.
Also, I'm not quite okay with others telling me how I have to experience/ react to games I'm playing.
We might not all look for the same in games and that's okay, but doesn't mean someone else's approach is any more valid than fe. mine.
So I'm fairly new here and just completed the last episode and holy shit this game is an unforgiving emotional roller coaster for sure.
In my play I have the love relationship with both Megan and Melissa and I was wondering if it's possible to save both of them instead of choosing just one. Is there a route available to drag them both out?
Thanks in advance.
In my play I have the love relationship with both Megan and Melissa and I was wondering if it's possible to save both of them instead of choosing just one. Is there a route available to drag them both out?
Thanks in advance.
- Jun 18, 2018
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Regarding the comments referring to this moment as melodrama... I must respectfully disagree. Sometimes it's necessary for a "dramatic event" to occur to shift the direction of the story- in this case, it appears to be both an important segue and the climax of the story. Tragedies happen every day, even fires. It's just something that *most* of us have not experienced, which will make it seem a tad off... but it does happen.
I do agree that some of the drama in this story is executed better- for example, the Liam plot. However, I don't agree that this event was *bad* storytelling in any way or that the dev needs to redeem himself because of it. I think that's only something we can truly know when we see what happens next- as we don't know the full context of the event or what it's leading to. We only know that it happened.
My only criticism was the general execution, as it kind of came out of nowhere and there wasn't enough tension leading up to it. For example, there could've been a few more screens of the MC realizing what is happening, then realizing that the girls might still be in the house, etc. Perhaps a few more lines of inner-monologue, even. But overall I like the direction that the doctor is taking the story and I don't see what happened as "lacking."
In response to the person who referred to this incident as "disrespectful due to not setting expectations..." I mean- I don't really see how he could raise our expectations more than he has. It's a fairly lighthearted game and fun/sweet in a way... but there's plenty of drama included as well. Liam having cancer, pawning all of his belongings and accepting his fate, Melissa being abused, MC beating up her step-father.... the drama with Melissa when she realizes you're seeing Megan, Liam's friend dying, Megan almost being raped... etc. I think there's a fair balance between drama and fun, enough so that this scene didn't come as much of a surprise. I don't think it was disrespectful at all- but that's just my opinion and you're of course entitled to yours. I agree with faux, btw. I don't think either one of them are going to die- which makes it even "less disrespectful" if you know what I mean.
Just my two cents on some of the banter. I definitely see where you guys are coming from, but I think without seeing what happens next we're jumping the gun a bit.
I do agree that some of the drama in this story is executed better- for example, the Liam plot. However, I don't agree that this event was *bad* storytelling in any way or that the dev needs to redeem himself because of it. I think that's only something we can truly know when we see what happens next- as we don't know the full context of the event or what it's leading to. We only know that it happened.
My only criticism was the general execution, as it kind of came out of nowhere and there wasn't enough tension leading up to it. For example, there could've been a few more screens of the MC realizing what is happening, then realizing that the girls might still be in the house, etc. Perhaps a few more lines of inner-monologue, even. But overall I like the direction that the doctor is taking the story and I don't see what happened as "lacking."
In response to the person who referred to this incident as "disrespectful due to not setting expectations..." I mean- I don't really see how he could raise our expectations more than he has. It's a fairly lighthearted game and fun/sweet in a way... but there's plenty of drama included as well. Liam having cancer, pawning all of his belongings and accepting his fate, Melissa being abused, MC beating up her step-father.... the drama with Melissa when she realizes you're seeing Megan, Liam's friend dying, Megan almost being raped... etc. I think there's a fair balance between drama and fun, enough so that this scene didn't come as much of a surprise. I don't think it was disrespectful at all- but that's just my opinion and you're of course entitled to yours. I agree with faux, btw. I don't think either one of them are going to die- which makes it even "less disrespectful" if you know what I mean.
Just my two cents on some of the banter. I definitely see where you guys are coming from, but I think without seeing what happens next we're jumping the gun a bit.
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You quoted my post yet nothing you mentioned had anything at all to do with anything I typed nor is it relevant to this update.
You mention the amount of cliffhangers yet none of those have left the player with a huge decision to make between 2 characters in a situation like that.
Therein lies the problem a lot of people have. A dramatic event, sure, repeated dramatic events, no.
As I said in my post, it's turned into a drama for drama's sake to try and top the dramatic cliffhanger the drama of the previous update caused.
Much like the overuse of tragedy in Melissa's life we've also got an overuse of drama to the point where it's lost all meaning.
Right now we have a girl who's had nothing but tragedy all her life with the only true friend she's ever known in an overdramatic plot line that if it does go through as it seems will simply be bitter with no sweet.
Then you have the anti Melissa, Rena. Where Melissa has had tragedy thrust upon her all her life to the point where i'm genuinely tired of seeing the dev use her as a whipping post you have her exact opposite in Rena who creates her own drama where none was needed.
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So episode 6 is about choosing the fixed path you choose to be on. I chose to play cupid between Liam and Rena so both of them can have a chance for a happy relationship (they seem to like it too). As for being forced to choose between Megan and Melissa in the fire... now that really hurt. Even if I choose to love one of them, I'd not wish to leave the other one to die. And to think not long ago we 3 decided to be with each other...
I believe most of the audience would want both girls to survive but the story can still be spun in many ways depending on how the dev want this to end. Damn fucking heart wrenching! Really DrP is really good at story telling... really sways your emotions.
I believe most of the audience would want both girls to survive but the story can still be spun in many ways depending on how the dev want this to end. Damn fucking heart wrenching! Really DrP is really good at story telling... really sways your emotions.
- Jun 18, 2018
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I disagree that it's just drama for the sake of drama, but I think that's something neither of us will know for sure until we've reached the end of the story. So far, it seems that all of the drama has had meaning behind it. We don't really know the meaning behind *this* drama yet because we haven't gotten that far. Quick side note, there's nothing inherently wrong with repeated dramatic events in a story.
The rest of your post seems more like a review than a complaint, as I don't really see the problem with those things. Regardless, it's fine if our opinions differ here. It's all subjective, anyway. For the record, I despise pointless drama and soap-opera esque plots but that's not the feeling I've gotten from this story at all.
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Read my comment again? You put it more succinctly, but we agree on this point