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[morphnet]

Fantasy still have an internal consistancy that a lot of writters forget about these days.
Like Elves have pointy ear's, long hair, a long lifespan and a superiorty complex.
Change any of these and you no longer have an elf.

"Fantasy still have an internal consistancy" until they don't, hence imagination!

Elves WERE just as you described until one day someone used their imagination and came up with more....
Now you have high elves matching closely to your description, forest elves, who are shorter, more outgoing, have different hairs and are much less high and mighty and then you have dark elves who DO NOT have any of the above characteristics and are still elves and the fantasy world is richer for those new ones being added.

So if the other guy just wants old elves or "high" elves he should go look for material containing those but not complain when someone comes along and creates new ones. It might not suit his tastes but it does suite others and the world would be very boring if we only catered to a few.

But lets take a simple example of bad story telling:
You write about a spieces that have blue skin, can run 120 miles per hour without getting tired.
Then two page's later you write there tired of all the running and there skin is green.
That is the kind of crap that ruins any story.

...and three updates later we find out they are cousins of the species, nothing wrong with that.

Fiction needs to remain internal consistant or it just because boring.
Like those child games where they go:
Nuhu my silver sword cuts through you black plate.
No my black plate is immune to your silver sword.

"Fiction needs to remain internal consistant or it just because boring." completely incorrect, refer to the first part of my reply here. Consistent becomes boring, that is why fiction keeps evolving.

Rules exist for a good reason.

No they exist unless someone changes them.....
e.g.

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Or just don’t have rape or attempted rape in fantasy unless you can do the subject justice.

In your opinion, they aren't doing them justice. Others are happy with them as proven by them receiving support. This takes us back to my first reply, just use "seeking" or "req" and find ones that suit your tastes.

it’s not about conforming to my ideals I want to get lost in these worlds and in the works it’s just not the best it’s like there story half ass. But I don’t mind a debate

That statement is a contradiction.

1. it’s not about conforming to my ideals
2. I want

It is about conforming to your ideals...
You want to get lost in those worlds.
You think their story is half assed.
Not everyone feels the same way as you, hence your ideals... so again to make life easier for yourself get people to help you find the games that best suit your tastes.

They are, the only people who argue otherwise are weebs, and no one cares about the opinions of weebs.

I agree with you on many things but in this you are completely wrong. Saying anime and cartoons are the same is like saying a tv episode of Jack Ryan is the same as the John Wick movie. While the west is slowly catching up they are still decades behind.

Also it's Otaku not weeb

 

[blackroses90]

Wanna pass the weed morph

 

[morphnet]

Wanna pass the weed morph

puff puff pass to you

 

[blackroses90]

puff puff pass to you

Puff puff pass yours again my guy but I agree I just felt they didn’t think some choices all the way through

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

Elves WERE just as you described until one day someone used their imagination and came up with more....
Now you have high elves matching closely to your description, forest elves, who are shorter, more outgoing, have different hairs and are much less high and mighty and then you have dark elves who DO NOT have any of the above characteristics and are still elves and the fantasy world is richer for those new ones being added.

All 3 are long lived, believe themself superior to all other races(And even other Elves), got long hair and pointy ears.

...and three updates later we find out they are cousins of the species, nothing wrong with that.

Recons are plot hole fixes at best.
And lazy writting at worse.

"Fiction needs to remain internal consistant or it just because boring." completely incorrect, refer to the first part of my reply here. Consistent becomes boring, that is why fiction keeps evolving.

And here we have the reason why modern stories are horrible.

 

[morphnet]

Puff puff pass yours again my guy but I agree I just felt they didn’t think some choices all the way through

Puff puff pass back to you....

Many of them do feel that way some times but whether that is by choice or accident at the end of the day it just means it's not the right game for you but there are some out there that will be. I ran into something similar awhile back with exhibitionism games, it just felt to me that they missed the mark or wrote them in the wrong way but if it wasn't for some of them doing that we would never have gotten flashcycling or the cos ro series.

I just think it's better to look forward and try find those games that will hit the spot for you now that you know what you don't like, rather than looking backwards and spending time thinking of the ones that disappointed you.

 

[morphnet]

All 3 are long lived, believe themself superior to all other races(And even other Elves), got long hair and pointy ears.

Nope you are wrong.
1. High elves are immortal in a sense, they never die of old age, they can however be killed in battle.
2. Forest elves have longer lives by human standards but only live around 200-300 years they do not think they are superior and are welcomed in most settlements because of their out going nature. Their ears are shorter than high elves but still pointy and they have varying types of hair.
3. Dark elves are long lived but again not immortal like high elves, they do believe they are superior and they do have long pointy ear but their hair, like forest elves comes in different lengths and is white.

Now of this changes the point though, without changing the rules and without fantasy changing the other 2 and all their lore and the new worlds they introduced would never exist. Fantasy became richer for the changes.

Recons are plot hole fixes at best.
And lazy writting at worse.

It's your example so....yes

And here we have the reason why modern stories are horrible.

That is, to say the least a small minded and narrow view to take. If it was not for evolving fantasy we would all still be reading Hercules, instead we have Lord of the Rings, D&D, The Elenium Trilogy, The Endless etc. etc. I can't even begin to understand how you could say modern stories are horrible. Not all of them are good and most will never reach the level of Lord of the Rings or D&D but without it's evolution we'd never have had those to start with.

Fact is evolution of fantasy has made entertainment richer.

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

1. High elves are immortal in a sense, they never die of old age, they can however be killed in battle.
2. Forest elves have longer lives by human standards but only live around 200-300 years they do not think they are superior and are welcomed in most settlements because of their out going nature. Their ears are shorter than high elves but still pointy and they have varying types of hair.
3. Dark elves are long lived but again not immortal like high elves, they do believe they are superior and they do have long pointy ear but their hair, like forest elves comes in different lengths and is white.

What fiction is that?
In D&D all 3 Elves types live for around 700 years.

That is, to say the least a small minded and narrow view to take. If it was not for evolving fantasy we would all still be reading Hercules, instead we have Lord of the Rings, D&D, The Elenium Trilogy, The Endless etc. etc. I can't even begin to understand how you could say modern stories are horrible. Not all of them are good and most will never reach the level of Lord of the Rings or D&D but without it's evolution we'd never have had those to start with.

Lord of the ring, D&D are both know for being internal consistan(Atleast within the same editions)

I think we are talking about something different.

So let me ask you this.
If you have a story about Elves.
In the past 10 books the Elves had been long lived(700 year lifespan) pointy ears, good at magic and live in flying castle.
Now the next book has the Elves become short lived, Pointy ears, good at magic and living under ground.
No reason given.
How would that make you feel?
Because that is what modern stories are like.

 

[redknight00]

I agree with you on many things but in this you are completely wrong. Saying anime and cartoons are the same is like saying a tv episode of Jack Ryan is the same as the John Wick movie. While the west is slowly catching up they are still decades behind.

Those are different, one is shorter.

Also it's Otaku not weeb

That's what a weeb would say.

 

[blackroses90]

Puff puff pass back to you....

Many of them do feel that way some times but whether that is by choice or accident at the end of the day it just means it's not the right game for you but there are some out there that will be. I ran into something similar awhile back with exhibitionism games, it just felt to me that they missed the mark or wrote them in the wrong way but if it wasn't for some of them doing that we would never have gotten flashcycling or the cos ro series.

I just think it's better to look forward and try find those games that will hit the spot for you now that you know what you don't like, rather than looking backwards and spending time thinking of the ones that disappointed you.

Puff puff pass

I agree and it doesn’t help the games when the fan bases are so toxic they don’t want to listen to a another side of a criticism of a game writing

 

[Ennoch]

Aand this is how the thread becomes a battleground for weebs and/OR otakus! Start posting your waifu collections already!

 

[blackroses90]

Aand this is how the thread becomes a battleground for weebs and/OR otakus! Start posting your waifu collections already!

Otakus can mean different things there was a documentary about this in Japan that’s really good if it’s on Netflix I recommend watching it

 

[morphnet]

What fiction is that?
In D&D all 3 Elves types live for around 700 years.

...and in Lord of the Rings they are different, in The Shannara Series they are different again and in Warcraft they are different again. Each creator took the original idea and it evolved in their imagination and spawned many types of elves in many different fantasy worlds and stories.

I'll also point out that you are doing the exact same thing with your points that you claim to hated people doing in their stories.

Change any of these and you no longer have an elf.

Well as proven, almost everything was changed and they were all still elves. You tried to stick to a very narrow definition of elf and that didn't work out very well because elves have evolved with the rest of fantasy.

Lord of the ring, D&D are both know for being internal consistan(Atleast within the same editions)

The very fact that there are different editions of the same world, races, classes, skills sets proves it's NOT consistent.
Each edition does not represent a new world and lore, each edition is the evolution of the existing world.

So let me ask you this.
If you have a story about Elves.
In the past 10 books the Elves had been long lived(700 year lifespan) pointy ears, good at magic and live in flying castle.
Now the next book has the Elves become short lived, Pointy ears, good at magic and living under ground.
No reason given.
How would that make you feel?
Because that is what modern stories are like.

Let me ask you, have you read any fantasy outside of porn games?

As for your question, it would make me feel excited for the next set of books in the series.
Also if you are familiar with sci-fi or fantasy you should know it happens more times than you can count.
Firefly, although they did make an attempt to answer somethings in the serenity movie, farscape, again tried to answer a few things in the peace keeper wars 2 part tv movie.
While writer like David Eddings do try to ease this by giving vague details throughout each book, the use of "this IS X but now it is Y no reason given" is used many times.

Story wise:
As for your example above, well you could get upset, you could get angry at the writer / dev, or.....

You could use your own imagination and spend all the time you would have wasted on being upset, angry, coming up with reasons of your own as to why there was a change. Strangely enough, a lot of fan fiction springs up from people doing just that and if in a later book the answer is given, you get to see how close you were or if you enjoyed your version better.

Porn / porn game wise:
In the end everyone has different tastes and while you might want to know why the elves now live on the ground someone else is probably just wandering if they can get the busty elf mage to go back to the tavern with them. That does NOT make it bad, it just means it's not for you.

 

[morphnet]

Otakus can mean different things there was a documentary about this in Japan that’s really good if it’s on Netflix I recommend watching it

Very true, Otakus are about passion for, animes, mangas, games and figures, while weeb is obsession with those and most things Japanese and sometimes not in a good way. Also Otakus are mainly Japanese and weeb is only non-Japanese.
Otakus should also not be confused with NEET's although there is a cross-over sometimes.

 

[ayy]

HoneySelect/Koikatsu (sp?) games are usually cheesy weebshit writers utilizing the gamut of -dere tropes for their LIs and anime protagonist MC.

Daz3D games are usually made by Europoors with usually better writing but equally as boring gameplay.

Hand drawn 2D games are usually beautiful to look at, but either have lazy as fuck devs who will lead you on for months on end without concrete release dates, or straight up abandon their projects in either a ploy to scam (Milftoons?) or from the disparity between amount of time invested and income.

And most of these games typically have hare-brained schizo plots with an obvious lack of storyboarding behind it, OR they're the same rehashed story (looking at you, incest VNs) over and over again.

This is my beef with VNs, and why I typically avoid them and try to find games with fun and rewarding gameplay loops and my preferred tags. Probably why I'm a big sucker for corruption management games like Malaficus seems to be.

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

...and in Lord of the Rings they are different, in The Shannara Series they are different again and in Warcraft they are different again. Each creator took the original idea and it evolved in their imagination and spawned many types of elves in many different fantasy worlds and stories.

We are definitly talking about different things.

The very fact that there are different editions of the same world, races, classes, skills sets proves it's NOT consistent.
Each edition does not represent a new world and lore, each edition is the evolution of the existing world.

3.5 is consider the best edition by many.
With 4e being the most hated and 5e considered nerfed into the ground.
Devolution would be more accurate.

Let me ask you, have you read any fantasy outside of porn games?

Lord of the rings, D&D, Pathfinder, warcraft, Elder scrolls oblivion & skyrim.

As for your question, it would make me feel excited for the next set of books in the series.
Also if you are familiar with sci-fi or fantasy you should know it happens more times than you can count.
Firefly, although they did make an attempt to answer somethings in the serenity movie, farscape, again tried to answer a few things in the peace keeper wars 2 part tv movie.
While writer like David Eddings do try to ease this by giving vague details throughout each book, the use of "this IS X but now it is Y no reason given" is used many times.

And it is the death of many franchies.
For example: Warcraft lore is a mess where the story gets constantly reconned to the point people just stop caring or leave.
The rings of power is lost massive amount of viewers due to the forced woke crap.
Same with the star wars sequals.
I only watch star wars 7 but it was enough for me to stop watching star wars.
Mind trick is an advance for technic.
You can not just do it, A lightsaber is extreemly difficulty to wield and should have cut finn.
And no matter how wounded kylo ren was he is still a full on fallen jedi.
Him losing to rey because plot say so is insulting to years of established lore.

Entire serries have been ruined because writters who took over didnt care about already establist lore.
From what i heard episode 8 of star wars was the movie directer wanted to make an other move but had to do star wars so he compleetly disregarded the planned story and forced his own in.
Just give it a star wars paint job.

I have entire franchiches destroying themself as proof of the important of internal consistancy.
All you have is your ego.

 

[blackroses90]

If you set out with a mission to make something different though you wouldn't. The best games are made by people who want to make the game that they would want to play.

I might try it later when I get a bit more free time and learn how the engine works I would probably do it more in the horror game route kinda like fatal frame 4 or 2 style for setting

 

[morphnet]

3.5 is consider the best edition by many.
With 4e being the most hated and 5e considered nerfed into the ground.
Devolution would be more accurate.

Battle mage and real spell swords were some of the most requested changes and while some did not like the re-balancing and missed some of the old rolls it can hardly be considered de-evolution. I really don't know where you are getting your info from.

Lord of the rings, D&D, Pathfinder, warcraft, Elder scrolls oblivion & skyrim.

So that is a no then.

And it is the death of many franchies.
For example: Warcraft lore is a mess where the story gets constantly reconned to the point people just stop caring or leave.
The rings of power is lost massive amount of viewers due to the forced woke crap.
Same with the star wars sequals.

This just shows you clearly don't understand how things work. Warcraft lore, Lord of the Ring stories came about out of the evolution of fantasy.
Wow's crap show is blizzard listening to fans and has NEVER changed the original story. The expansions are add ons to the original story and the original story has not been deleted.
Rings of Power was not over seen, consulted on or approved by Tolken. Someone took his ideas and ran with it, which is why when you see films and tv shows of book / novel / graphic novels, you will see in the credits it says adapted to film or tv by and the NEW authors names.
The original stories that were so good someone said lets make that into a show or film are untouched. As proved by the fact that NO ONE is printing the script for rings of power and publishing it as a J.R.R.Tolken work.

Are you going to say dune is a bad story just because someone made a porn game about it and you didn't like the porn game?
It doesn't matter if the porn game is good or not, the original dune is still a masterpiece.

Entire serries have been ruined because writters who took over didnt care about already establist lore.
From what i heard episode 8 of star wars was the movie directer wanted to make an other move but had to do star wars so he compleetly disregarded the planned story and forced his own in.
Just give it a star wars paint job.

Some have been hurt but their original can still be enjoyed and some have been made better, not to mention some have inspired new wonderful stories. People still argue over which is better star trek the original series or the next generation and who the better captains are. Star trek also has some flops and those didn't destroy it's franchise.
You can't say the evolution is bad because of a few bad apples that makes no sense.

I have entire franchiches destroying themself as proof of the important of internal consistancy.
All you have is your ego.

You really don't. While some people may never go see another star wars movie, they will still go buy the books and audio books. I know because I'm one of them, I will not watch their movies or their tv animations but I bought star wars legacy of the force audio book a couple of years back and they were pretty good.
Just because people quit wow does not mean they don't still load up an emulator and play warcraft 1 and 2 from time to time.

Not sure what my ego has to do with anything?
People loved Lord of the Rings when it came out, people loved warcraft when it came out, people loved dune when it came out,
none of those would exist without the evolution of fantasy.

If you can't understand that just because some adaptations and expansions were bad does not make the whole process bad then you really do have a narrow view and you will probably miss out on some great stories and amazing adventures.
but hey each to their own....

 

[rk-47]

i tend to avoid VN tag and go for renpy tags on their own, usually means some kind of sandbox/rpg elements added to it like man of the house