AI generated art

[Keðja]

Oh i'm pretty sure it will change a lot of things in the future. Just not quite there yet.

i can see it being very useful when integrated into art software as a helper to artists, haven't noticed much development on that part yet, sort of up to the common apps to integrate it in a smart way somehow, not following it too closely as of late tho. that is a logical outcome in my view but yeah, not there yet, right now what I mostly see is people playing scratch cards with it basically.

 

[dubmo]

Does anyone know if there are some "AI art diffusion waifus / hotties" threads on F95 already?
Loads of good stuff on Twitter and Reddit, but here I've only found discussion threads so far.

 

[Schlongborn]

Does anyone know if there are some "AI art diffusion waifus / hotties" threads on F95 already?
Loads of good stuff on Twitter and Reddit, but here I've only found discussion threads so far.

I just posted some stuff in here: https://f95zone.to/threads/ai-art-show-us-your-ai-skill.138575/ and then googled and found this thread.

 

[Gwedelino]

Every new released game that use AI art get overwhelmed by bad reviews and spicy comments nowadays.

 

[lancelotdulak]

I'm just stunned at the number of people speaking with "authority" who know nothing about ai or the engines available. It's like someone who played with daz for an hour and never touched 3d software saying "daz can only make simple cartoons"..

 

[metallicadude]

It's hard to even describe what you want to an artist and getting exactly what you want for most people let alone describing it perfectly in a way a machine understands it with prompts etc. Besides that it is hard for AI generators to have a certain model looking consistently the same while an artist can do that no problem. I think there will be a day where machines can do that but not quite yet. How long that will take we will wait and see.

It is cool to dick around with AI Generators though I have to admit that.

 

[Pervtron3000]

For ultra low margins like patreon porn games that ALREADY borrow co tent haphazardly, I think it’ll be a big improvement.

It is inevitable that AI and automation will greatly revolutionize digital products that cost almost nothing for a machine to iterate on.

When you can tell midsummer to create 100 images for a description, and then eliminate the ones you don’t like, and repeat the process over and over again until it creates something better than what you hoped for, and then have it remember your preferences going forward to the next request, yeah that is going to put a major squeeze on digital artists

 

[dholyma]

Every new released game that use AI art get overwhelmed by bad reviews and spicy comments nowadays.

Their games are bad in general, not because AI art.

 

[XcentY]

When I see what AI art is becoming nowadays... I'm sure it will be more and more common.

 

[twomd]

Yesterday, i looked into AI art seriously for the first time.

And after installing Stable Diffusion with A1111 as an interface ( following a guide ), i was honestly surprised how easy it is to create quality pictures. ( speaking as someone who hasn't done anything artistic since high school art classes )

even the problem with consistent content ( same character ) isn't really a problem anymore when you use ControllNet and open pose. Sure, there is always going to be small differences that good human artists can get more consistent... but that's the point, I'm not a good artist, not even a bad one XD

and when i take a look at what others can create now ( just take a look around

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) and how fast the whole AI Genre seems to evolve, its only a mater of time until more and more GOOD indi Games come out that use AI Images.

 

[GGAdams]

Look at this lazy people happy to find a way to generate art made by an Ai using stolen data. "I don't need skills anymore and ruin other creators live with boring art that I didn't made that looks like 500k similar accounts while shadowing the same artists the Ai stole from, yay"

 

[SecretSal]

Look at this lazy people happy to find a way to generate art made by an Ai using stolen data. "I don't need skills anymore and ruin other creators live with boring art that I didn't made that looks like 500k similar accounts while shadowing the same artists the Ai stole from, yay"

I mean, this is a site where some games (a few of them well-received) use images from real porn, so AI art is hardly a new frontier in villainy. And most games recycle the same models and poses from DAZ, or just use HS, which is already more boring than what AI art puts together.

Obviously there are ethical implications in the art creation world, but considering the high dropoff rate for game development here, where art assets seem to be the main bottleneck (especially for relationships between game creators/coders and hired artists), if AI art leads to faster turnaround and more control for the creator, most people are going to consider that a worthwhile tradeoff.

I think games with good custom art and steady progress are still going to be more popular and better-designed on a holistic level, but those are few and far between.

 

[XcentY]

Look at this lazy people happy to find a way to generate art made by an Ai using stolen data. "I don't need skills anymore and ruin other creators live with boring art that I didn't made that looks like 500k similar accounts while shadowing the same artists the Ai stole from, yay"

That's the way the brain works... We all stole data... Even the original artists generated his art based on his own learning algorithm deep in his brain... And there is a lot of stolen data in it

The artist will call it "inspiration"

The AI does it faster and instead of calling it "inspiration", you call it "stolen data"

Let's see an artist's drawing : (stolen data or inspiration ?)

Let's see an AI generated image : (stolen data or inspiration ?)

 

[GGAdams]

That's the way the brain works... We all stole data... Even the original artists generated his art based on his own learning algorithm deep in his brain... And there is a lot of stolen data in it

The artist will call it "inspiration"

The AI does it faster and instead of calling it "inspiration", you call it "stolen data"

Let's see an artist's drawing : (stolen data or inspiration ?)
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Let's see an AI generated image : (stolen data or inspiration ?)

That's the most clueless response I have ever seen. Do you REALLY think that stolen data is the same thing that recreating it? That's NOT how the brain works AT ALL. Don't you see the SKILLS required for such a feat? That someone made a CHOICE and learn to do it by sheer work? It's a actually a lot harder than creating your own art and style. Don't you understand the DEFINITION of art? Ai CAN'T be art, we call it "art" because it looks like art, but it's not, it's Ai "generations" at best. It's like paying someone to have a commission and saying it's you that made it. It's insane, and even that it's actually art as it's an ARTIST that made it.

Man, I can empathise with you if you don't understand the subject. You really have to make some researches or talk to some artists, because it's insanity.

I already did ALL that for MONTHS. I talk to artists and non-artists, do some researches about AI works and what is Art. There is not debate, this is NOT a discussion and Ai is getting banned on a lot of platformes. I will not respond to this threat.

 

[GGAdams]

I mean, this is a site where some games (a few of them well-received) use images from real porn, so AI art is hardly a new frontier in villainy. And most games recycle the same models and poses from DAZ, or just use HS, which is already more boring than what AI art puts together.

Obviously there are ethical implications in the art creation world, but considering the high dropoff rate for game development here, where art assets seem to be the main bottleneck (especially for relationships between game creators/coders and hired artists), if AI art leads to faster turnaround and more control for the creator, most people are going to consider that a worthwhile tradeoff.

I think games with good custom art and steady progress are still going to be more popular and better-designed on a holistic level, but those are few and far between.

The only thing that Ai does is overshadowing real artists. Stealing other artists work to train the Ai, which overshadow the same artists and make lazy people looking for easy money, even more lazy and trash. Just look at the sheer amount online of boring Ai art and crypto bros selling their NFTs with Ai. The only reason that they push Ai is to make a quick bucks while it's legal and nobody knows how that work while some just enjoy becoming popular as they have a skill or something. But only people with actual skills and respect for art can understand why obviously Ai is an issue and they are absolutely not the one benefiting from it, far the reverse.

I think that I could agree with you on how it could beneficial. But let's face it. Look on the websites and all plateformes. I didn't see ONCE a good use of this tech for art. Only some lazy horny asians that wants to promote their shitty patreon and boring games.

Do you understand that there is people making Ai from all other people work, because otherwise it's not even possible, pretend they made it, that they are "artist" (which they can't be by definition), that they NEED your support for their WORK (LMAO) and then selling those pics on a patreon or gumroad???

It's strictly illegal, even more so than sampling by far, and making music with sampling is indeed art as you're still the one who makes. The only thing missing is laws and actions from the websites and communities but it's coming.

 

[XcentY]

That's the most clueless response I have ever seen. Do you REALLY think that stolen data is the same thing that recreating it? That's NOT how the brain works AT ALL. Don't you see the SKILLS required for such a feat? That someone made a CHOICE and learn to do it by sheer work? It's a actually a lot harder than creating your own art and style. Don't you understand the DEFINITION of art? Ai CAN'T be art, we call it "art" because it looks like art, but it's not, it's Ai "generations" at best. It's like paying someone to have a commission and saying it's you that made it. It's insane, and even that it's actually art as it's an ARTIST that made it.

Man, I can empathise with you if you don't understand the subject. You really have to make some researches or talk to some artists, because it's insanity.

I already did ALL that for MONTHS. I talk to artists and non-artists, do some researches about AI works and what is Art. There is not debate, this is NOT a discussion and Ai is getting banned on a lot of platformes. I will not respond to this threat.

This is art. You think you're better in understanding art because you feel that a neural network trained on a computer is not generating art... While the computer developped the skills needed to render all type of content ...


And if for you it's not art... I'm really sorry. Stay in your little bubble afraid of what's about to come...
I'm convinced you'll learn to go with it... There is a book that might help you : Who moved my cheese ?

 

[Winterfire]

GGAdams AI is not art, you are correct on that. And yeah, I do cringe a little from seeing people saying it's their work, although that has happened like... Just once x).
However, AI is a tool that can aid artists that won't act like grandpas saying "back in my times we used pencils!", tech advances, and artists should keep up with times. It is like web developers before and after frontpage (and other similar softwares).

People may act like holy knights quoting morality, but not all AI models are trained on copyright material.
Adobe, for instance, has been using AI for quite some time now and they went all in with times by producing "Adobe Firefly", but you do not need to use that to get "morally right" AI generated images, just pick a model that fits your morality.

AI can be used in many (right) ways, and can even make old questionable practices (photobashing, for instance) even more "morally right" since photobashing often used copyrighted work, which wouldn't be the case with AI.
However, there are as many wrong and lazy ways of using AI, and they are pretty much the ones you mentioned in your posts.

 

[Winterfire]

This is art. You think you're better in understanding art because you feel that a neural network trained on a computer is not generating art... While the computer developped the skills needed to render all type of content ...
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And if for you it's not art... I'm really sorry. Stay in your little bubble afraid of what's about to come...
I'm convinced you'll learn to go with it... There is a book that might help you : Who moved my cheese ?

Well, technically, it is not really art. He is right.
Now, if AI gained consciousness, then it'd be a different story, but we are not there quite yet

 

[TranscendentThots]

If you used it, you would see that it just isn't ready for prime time right now. You can make one really pretty image, sure. Therefore you can make a ton of pretty images. But you'll never make the same character twice, no matter how hard you try. and that makes it utterly useless for production, animation, or anything that requires consistency.

Even if you train a LORA to force the character to be Wonder Woman or something, all the clothing details shift around every frame. Belt details. Hair chunks. Literally any detail that has ever been drawn differently by two different artists, it will flicker and jump around in a state of perpetual quantum entanglement.

Best case scenario, you can make an image uncovering game, with no broader story context. Maybe something like Sunless Sea or 80 Days, where it's a string of unconnected vingettes. Maybe something like Hearthstone where each character and ability is a seperate card depicting a dissociated story beat. That's it. Board games, basically. If you need narrative or animations or clothed CGs, you're SOL.

 

[XcentY]

Well, technically, it is not really art. He is right.
Now, if AI gained consciousness, then it'd be a different story, but we are not there quite yet

That's your point of view...
And you can add words like "technically"... It just makes no sense at all.

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