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Zellemate

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Couldn't also the Armand expansion have been one of the most requested dlc's too :p :LOL: Hehe

Looking forward to when the Hobos hit the stage. :giggle:
I think ALL of the incentive rewards DLC's are something every fan of FI would love to see come true.
- Its kind as a form of stretch goals, meaning if enough fans want it, and money is high enough it will happen.
- Not exactly the same as a majority of the fans want more kissing scenes in general.
- Sadly the community behind FI is not that big, so chances for incentive rewards to happen is really slim - My best guess is "a few rich kids" needs to convince Starke to do one or two of them.
- Or perhaps Starke picks one because he himself would love to see it happen.

The list is pretty big for incentive rewards:
  • Christmas patch.
  • Fujiko’s childhood (includes Ayame’s mother).
  • Jack Solo Route. (Jack solo route and happy ending).
  • Armand’s Operation Infiltration.
  • Robert’s trust endings patch.
  • Melvin after hours.
  • Cosplay Convention Weekend.
In other news did anybody on discord notice the new channels showing up ? :coffee:
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I think ALL of the incentive rewards DLC's are something every fan of FI would love to see come true.
- Its kind as a form of stretch goals, meaning if enough fans want it, and money is high enough it will happen.
- Not exactly the same as a majority of the fans want more kissing scenes in general.
- Sadly the community behind FI is not that big, so chances for incentive rewards to happen is really slim - My best guess is "a few rich kids" needs to convince Starke to do one or two of them.
- Or perhaps Starke picks one because he himself would love to see it happen.

The list is pretty big for incentive rewards:
  • Christmas patch.
  • Fujiko’s childhood (includes Ayame’s mother).
  • Jack Solo Route. (Jack solo route and happy ending).
  • Armand’s Operation Infiltration.
  • Robert’s trust endings patch.
  • Melvin after hours.
  • Cosplay Convention Weekend.
I guess a one time pay would be expensive even just for one of the 7 dlc's?

Do you by any means have an update roadmap for what DLC's are to come?
 

cIoseopenbrutal

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Question : Considering the fact that there's a lesbian tag , a lot of females in the title image , and f. protagonist tag , is the game heavily focused on lesbian theme? (Not really a big fan of the genre, but who cares )

If it's not a heavy lesbian theme , what are the roles of the girls in the title image? I dont mind spoilers.
 

Zellemate

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Question : Considering the fact that there's a lesbian tag , a lot of females in the title image , and f. protagonist tag , is the game heavily focused on lesbian theme? (Not really a big fan of the genre, but who cares )

If it's not a heavy lesbian theme , what are the roles of the girls in the title image? I dont mind spoilers.
The game have a few lesbian scenes out of hundreds of scenes - I would not say its lesbian heavy, the opposite.

Title image from this thread:
- From the left side, we have friend and neighbor to main char. Adriana who is also a celebrity supermodel.
Then we have the main char. twin sister Fujiko, who in herself is a unique character and personality - That is expression via different routes when playing the game.
Then we have the main character Ayame and frankly put the whole game evolve around her in some form.
- On the right side we have 3 girls, all are from upcoming games that are not released - But the girls have minor roles inside Fleeting Iris at the moment.
First (from the left) we have Luna from Night Eternal which will be in game #3 - You can see her in the Halloween DLC atm.
The last 2 girls, the blonde(Evelyn) and redhead(Jasmine) is from game #2 called Blood Lust which are scheduled to go into development next year - They are both present in the Halloween DLC , but they also both have a free-roam scene each in the main game and there is also story for them in some routes.
 
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Do we have a release date for the hobo patch? im really excited about that :HideThePain:
Next week I think. Right now they're going with "when it's ready" other than meeting some self-imposed deadlines but you can see their progress on Discord and it will probably show in the quality of the patch. It rarely if ever disappoints.

Yeah I hope the next game has more none ntr content
The next game is not NTR oriented. I believe the two female MC's are not even in relationships. The little I've been told about their new project with Scarlett Ann tells me it's not NTR either. I don't know if there will be absolutely no NTR in it, I'm not the writer but my guess is that at least the focus will not be that.

I guess a one time pay would be expensive even just for one of the 7 dlc's?

Do you by any means have an update roadmap for what DLC's are to come?
Going by their M.O. if you support once you get everything that has been created up until that point so if you do a one time donation when everything is finished you should be able to get it all for 10$ which is daylight robbery to be honest.


Question : Considering the fact that there's a lesbian tag , a lot of females in the title image , and f. protagonist tag , is the game heavily focused on lesbian theme? (Not really a big fan of the genre, but who cares )

If it's not a heavy lesbian theme , what are the roles of the girls in the title image? I dont mind spoilers.
There are some lesbian scenes, I'd say around half a dozen? All the female characters show up having sex in quite a few occasions and heavily on the Halloween mini-game.

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I guess a one time pay would be expensive even just for one of the 7 dlc's?

Do you by any means have an update roadmap for what DLC's are to come?
Roadmap updated for your pleasure ! ->

Also in other news:
StarkeToday at 3:55 PM
Surprise podcast today​

 
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cIoseopenbrutal

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Thanks for the detailed answers. I may not be able to support you guys with moola , but , I'm here rooting for your future game developements and updates. I feel the sincerity and effort towards your projects just by reading your replies on my query. (y)
 
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Latex224

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Roadmap updated for your pleasure ! ->

Also in other news:
StarkeToday at 3:55 PM
Surprise podcast today​

I will update here with links when they are available.
(In around 4 hours time)
Thank You Zelle. :)
Will be checking in on the Pody :p
 
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niuash

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Roadmap updated for your pleasure ! ->

Also in other news:
StarkeToday at 3:55 PM
Surprise podcast today​

I will update here with links when they are available.
(In around 4 hours time)
WHAATTT!!!? They cancelled Operation Infiltration?????????!!!
I really wanted to know what happens further in that route. :(
 

Zellemate

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WHAATTT!!!? They cancelled Operation Infiltration?????????!!!
I really wanted to know what happens further in that route. :(
Its right there in the list ? ... Like before as an incentive reward.
 

Terix3

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I think ALL of the incentive rewards DLC's are something every fan of FI would love to see come true.
- Its kind as a form of stretch goals, meaning if enough fans want it, and money is high enough it will happen.
- Not exactly the same as a majority of the fans want more kissing scenes in general.
- Sadly the community behind FI is not that big, so chances for incentive rewards to happen is really slim - My best guess is "a few rich kids" needs to convince Starke to do one or two of them.
- Or perhaps Starke picks one because he himself would love to see it happen.

The list is pretty big for incentive rewards:
  • Christmas patch.
  • Fujiko’s childhood (includes Ayame’s mother).
  • Jack Solo Route. (Jack solo route and happy ending).
  • Armand’s Operation Infiltration.
  • Robert’s trust endings patch.
  • Melvin after hours.
  • Cosplay Convention Weekend.
In other news did anybody on discord notice the new channels showing up ? :coffee:
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The one hope we had was for steam release to bring in people but it had barely any impact. I didn't check the steam version did Karuga maybe remove the patreon info from game? Or simply steam people don't want to support with patreon.

As it is you are right it is for current patreons to increase their support but there are few fundamental issues there :
- Can't select which DLC you want to support, are the DLC listed in order they want to make them ? It is very unlikely that people are willing to "push it" for all of them
- How long the support would need to last really - like if you want DLC X to happen and we need to reach 5k for that for how long the 5k would need to stay.
- The DLCs are kinda vague - what kind of content would be there (kinks), how many scenes roughly and maybe some outline of how story would proceed . (i think spoiling the story is ok as those routes won't be completed otherwise)

Regarding the updated roadmap, i think we lost something... beach was moved to August, was the cosplay here already ? what was moved from August hmm.

Also i believe that the "early" endings where Reobet discovers Ayame due to low trust were supposed to be part of base game? If the game completes development with trust having no actual use i'm gonna be not slightly pissed.

@ ScarlettAnn collab Gratz.
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The one hope we had was for steam release to bring in people but it had barely any impact. I didn't check the steam version did Karuga maybe remove the patreon info from game? Or simply steam people don't want to support with patreon.

As it is you are right it is for current patreons to increase their support but there are few fundamental issues there :
- Can't select which DLC you want to support, are the DLC listed in order they want to make them ? It is very unlikely that people are willing to "push it" for all of them
- How long the support would need to last really - like if you want DLC X to happen and we need to reach 5k for that for how long the 5k would need to stay.
- The DLCs are kinda vague - what kind of content would be there (kinks), how many scenes roughly and maybe some outline of how story would proceed . (i think spoiling the story is ok as those routes won't be completed otherwise)

Regarding the updated roadmap, i think we lost something... beach was moved to August, was the cosplay here already ? what was moved from August hmm.

Also i believe that the "early" endings where Reobet discovers Ayame due to low trust were supposed to be part of base game? If the game completes development with trust having no actual use i'm gonna be not slightly pissed.

@ ScarlettAnn collab Gratz.
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"The one hope we had was for steam release to bring in people but it had barely any impact." - That I do agree with. It probably put HeavenStudios on the map as a class creator of hentai games - as per the reviews on steam at least.

Considering that all the DLC of Fleeting Iris will only "eventually" come to Steam, and that many people want the most out of their money - I think it is better for folks who want this game on Steam, to rather pay the 10 USD on Patreon in December (or January depending on the delays) to get the whole game with all DLCs (And Fleeting Iris IF).
^ Just my thoughts when I see how the Steam version of this game is doing.

For "Can't select which DLC you want to support" -
I think there is a misunderstanding here about what a "patron" is
A patron supports the development of a game, does not necessarily guide what the game will turn out to be - which is (and should be) in the hands of the creator. Starke is kind enough to move the roadmap according to what people want (only for DLCs though), many creators do not allow this.

For "How long the support would need to last really" - It is difficult, ain't it?
The general reason to support HeavenStudios would be for their work, regardless of a particular DLC. So support them if you like their work, not generally because you expect some X DLC to happen -since that would require at least 150 people paying at least 10 USD to come in, which might not happen in a day (unless you can round up so many people to support HeavenStudios).

As for "The DLCs are kinda vague" - they are not part of the Story, and just expand more on the NTR nature of the game. And each DLC has it's kinks mentioned in the roadmap (don't they?)!
 

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For "Can't select which DLC you want to support" -
I think there is a misunderstanding here about what a "patron" is
A patron supports the development of a game, does not necessarily guide what the game will turn out to be - which is (and should be) in the hands of the creator. Starke is kind enough to move the roadmap according to what people want (only for DLCs though), many creators do not allow this.

For "How long the support would need to last really" - It is difficult, ain't it?
The general reason to support HeavenStudios would be for their work, regardless of a particular DLC. So support them if you like their work, not generally because you expect some X DLC to happen -since that would require at least 150 people paying at least 10 USD to come in, which might not happen in a day (unless you can round up so many people to support HeavenStudios).

As for "The DLCs are kinda vague" - they are not part of the Story, and just expand more on the NTR nature of the game. And each DLC has it's kinks mentioned in the roadmap (don't they?)!
You did not quite understand me. I'm not talking about paying 10$ a monh - just like Zellemate said to have the DLC made at this point "few rich people" would need to fund it. Means people paying even 100$ a month, at that point you really want to know what you are getting out of it and how many of those bills you need to drop.

No the kinks are not mentioned on roadmap. Also to make it more clear - let's take Jack Solo route as example - will he bang existing girls? Will he be a macho man and have multiple girls at once? Or maybe he gets new gf that was not in the story yet? or maybe he is gonna be truly solo and only wank to other people having sex. questions question.
 

Zellemate

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You did not quite understand me. I'm not talking about paying 10$ a monh - just like Zellemate said to have the DLC made at this point "few rich people" would need to fund it. Means people paying even 100$ a month, at that point you really want to know what you are getting out of it and how many of those bills you need to drop.

No the kinks are not mentioned on roadmap. Also to make it more clear - let's take Jack Solo route as example - will he bang existing girls? Will he be a macho man and have multiple girls at once? Or maybe he gets new gf that was not in the story yet? or maybe he is gonna be truly solo and only wank to other people having sex. questions question.
When I said rich I meant... rich! 100$ will not really cut it. But a couple of people throwing in 1000$ each - letting the total amount reach over 5000$ - That would kind of force the team to develop some of these incentive DLC's.
It could of cause also be 20 guys putting in 100$ each for the same result (y)
 

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When I said rich I meant... rich! 100$ will not really cut it. But a couple of people throwing in 1000$ each - letting the total amount reach over 5000$ - That would kind of force the team to develop some of these incentive DLC's.
It could of cause also be 20 guys putting in 100$ each for the same result (y)
Nah at that point they rather get themselves some real company.
 

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Nah at that point they rather get themselves some real company.
Agree,while this game is of high quality and one of the best NTR game but to expect even 100 let alone 1000 dollars is not realistic at all. Though i would say the game does deserve more support than something like Summertime Saga which has extremely unappealing artstyle but rakes in 100s of thousands easily.
 
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I think that there is some fundamental issue here that breaks the whole chain of a person finding out about the game, liking it, going to Patreon, and then supporting.
Other much weaker projects with both less content and simpler art get a lot more support, something must be working poorly.
(while the art is a subjective thing obviously, you clearly can tell by the quality and especially the number of permutations for each scene)

So my thoughts on the reasons for people to not support:
1. They don't know about the game.
2. They can simply download it for free from somewhere, so why bother.
3. There are not enough bonuses to being a patron vs just buying the game, even if they don't pirate it.
4. They don't like the theme of the game.
5. *Super unlikely imo, but who know?* They don't like the art.

Please feel free to add to the list if you have any ideas that I've missed.

So fixing these points (or overcompensating with something else) could help bringing in more support.

1. I'm not sure how other game developers get their creations out there and known, but I'm sure there must be some venues for more advertising. This can be both paid (and advertising IS worth it if done right), or free through other circles and what not.

Updating the first post with new screenshots on f95 is also very important, even if it is hard. Maybe some more effort can be put into this? If not - dump this thread and just link it in a new one, idk.


2. While giving the game for free hoping someone will like it enough to support works thus acting as free publicity (that's what happened in my case), I'm afraid that in most cases people just take freebies and move on until more free stuff eventyually comes their way.

This can be dealt with by releasing less versions of the game for free, or with a much higher delay.


3. Tying into #2 and #1, there can be some other benefits, like custom Patreon exclusive art that doesn't even go into the game, which even if leaked will reach a different kind of non-game audience that might like it and come looking for more. The art has improved A LOT since the early days of the game, so don't neglect this part, the art is legit HOT just by itself at this point, and can be used in additional ways.

Looking into what other successful Patreon projects doing might also help increase the attractiveness.


4. Some might just dislike the cheating-ntr parts of the game, since in other works it can get very dark or depressing ("Tachibana-san-chi no Dansei Jijou" for example).

The obvious way to deal with that is diversifying the genres, but that is too late for FI. But afaik Bloodlust and Night Eternal will do just that, plus the new project with Scarlett Ann is also "harem" genre according to yesterday's podcast.

Another way is to make sure the FI's "mood" is properly conveyed, so people don't get scared off. This can be done with both #1 and #3.

5. As for the art - it is super subjective, so nothing you can do about it, imo. For example I'd really prefer Melvin to be much more fit, but hey that is my personal prefference, I dislike pot bellies in hentai.

Getting a new project with a different artist is a great move to counter this point, especially if it is an already known and talented artist that has their own fan base.


So to sum things up - #4 and #5 are naturally being taken care of already, but still need to be kept in mind as guidelines for future projects and their development. #2 and especially #1 need to be seriously looked into, while #3 should help with both and is a win-win for everyone - fans get exclusive art, new people have a chance to stumble upon something awesome they might like, artists get more ways to get their name out there and the studio (hopefully) gets new patrons.

p.s. to clarify on #3 - the art can be something like 2-3 scenes a month with 3-5 variations of clothed/undressed/getting "ready"/in-action/aftermath kind of thing where the first 1-2 get released publicly and leak across the internet, while the juicy stuff is closed and only for patrons. This is exactly how pure art Patreons work.
 
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