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niuash

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I think that there is some fundamental issue here that breaks the whole chain of a person finding out about the game, liking it, going to Patreon, and then supporting.
Other much weaker projects with both less content and simpler art get a lot more support, something must be working poorly.
(while the art is a subjective thing obviously, you clearly can tell by the quality and especially the number of permutations for each scene)

So my thoughts on the reasons for people to not support:
1. They don't know about the game.
2. They can simply download it for free from somewhere, so why bother.
3. There are not enough bonuses to being a patron vs just buying the game, even if they don't pirate it.
4. They don't like the theme of the game.
5. *Super unlikely imo, but who know?* They don't like the art.

Please feel free to add to the list if you have any ideas that I've missed.

So fixing these points (or overcompensating with something else) could help bringing in more support.

1. I'm not sure how other game developers get their creations out there and known, but I'm sure there must be some venues for more advertising. This can be both paid (and advertising IS worth it if done right), or free through other circles and what not.

Updating the first post with new screenshots on f95 is also very important, even if it is hard. Maybe some more effort can be put into this? If not - dump this thread and just link it in a new one, idk.


2. While giving the game for free hoping someone will like it enough to support works thus acting as free publicity (that's what happened in my case), I'm afraid that in most cases people just take freebies and move on until more free stuff eventyually comes their way.

This can be dealt with by releasing less versions of the game for free, or with a much higher delay.


3. Tying into #2 and #1, there can be some other benefits, like custom Patreon exclusive art that doesn't even go into the game, which even if leaked will reach a different kind of non-game audience that might like it and come looking for more. The art has improved A LOT since the early days of the game, so don't neglect this part, the art is legit HOT just by itself at this point, and can be used in additional ways.

Looking into what other successful Patreon projects doing might also help increase the attractiveness.


4. Some might just dislike the cheating-ntr parts of the game, since in other works it can get very dark or depressing ("Tachibana-san-chi no Dansei Jijou" for example).

The obvious way to deal with that is diversifying the genres, but that is too late for FI. But afaik Bloodlust and Night Eternal will do just that, plus the new project with Scarlett Ann is also "harem" genre according to yesterday's podcast.

Another way is to make sure the FI's "mood" is properly conveyed, so people don't get scared off. This can be done with both #1 and #3.

5. As for the art - it is super subjective, so nothing you can do about it, imo. For example I'd really prefer Melvin to be much more fit, but hey that is my personal prefference, I dislike pot bellies in hentai.

Getting a new project with a different artist is a great move to counter this point, especially if it is an already known and talented artist that has their own fan base.


So to sum things up - #4 and #5 are naturally being taken care of already, but still need to be kept in mind as guidelines for future projects and their development. #2 and especially #1 need to be seriously looked into, while #3 should help with both and is a win-win for everyone - fans get exclusive art, new people have a chance to stumble upon something awesome they might like, artists get more ways to get their name out there and the studio (hopefully) gets new patrons.

p.s. to clarify on #3 - the art can be something like 2-3 scenes a month with 3-5 variations of clothed/undressed/getting "ready"/in-action/aftermath kind of thing where the first 1-2 get released publicly and leak across the internet, while the juicy stuff is closed and only for patrons. This is exactly how pure art Patreons work.
I add similar things in mind about the game. I would like to elaborate further on the points.

#1 is handled by cross-promotions - HeavenStudios does this very less because I like to think that Starke wants to respect the Game and the Developers of the Game he is promoting before the cross-promotions. He is a really proud and humble guy (hence the drive for perfection).

#2 is just piracy - can't be helped with much. As the game becomes more popular, it will get pirated sooner. Proof - In the beginning of 2021, HeavenStudios had dropped below $3k on patreon (to abysmal $2.7k at one point) and the game wasn't pirated for 3 whole months (as far as I can remember). And as soon as HeavenStudios reached its normal $3k+ , the game was pirated every release in a week or two. So, :confused:.

I had asked Starke about #3 on discord and he believes that it is a "bitchy" thing to reserve content for people who pay. I believe this comes from his drive to create the best Hentai games EVER! And not just for the money (which he states repeatedly in his podcasts).

#4, #5 is about personal taste so, again, can't be helped. For instance, I think the art is unique and fabulous (and every artist deserves his/her art to stand out). And I prefer it over the Japanese Anime style games.
See? It is about personal taste! :)


Just to add to point 4 -
There are 2 types of patrons of the game today - 1. Fans of HeavenStudios (Starke, community, their effort), 2. Fans of NTR (Fleeting Iris)
That being said, there is a high possibility that when BloodLust releases in 2022 - the NTR patrons will drop off, leading to a drop in revenue for HeavenStudios initially, till the Fans of the BloodLust genre get to know about the game and become patrons on Patreon.
I would like to believe that Starke knows about this possibility.
 

Ayame#1Fan

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The one hope we had was for steam release to bring in people but it had barely any impact. I didn't check the steam version did Karuga maybe remove the patreon info from game?
They have to, you are forced by Steam to do it. Can't even have a link to your website if it has links for some other place where you can buy the game. You also can't undersell Steam.

Being on Steam is a blessing and a curse.

#1 is handled by cross-promotions - HeavenStudios does this very less because I like to think that Starke wants to respect the Game and the Developers of the Game he is promoting before the cross-promotions. He is a really proud and humble guy (hence the drive for perfection).
He has stated this many many many many times before. He doesn't like to shove shitty cash grabs down his patrons throats but he will have no problem advertising games that he enjoys and he believes the dev is not trying to milk people. I'm following everything that Starke suggested so far and I have zero regrets.

Just to add to point 4 -
There are 2 types of patrons of the game today - 1. Fans of HeavenStudios (Starke, community, their effort), 2. Fans of NTR (Fleeting Iris)
That being said, there is a high possibility that when BloodLust releases in 2022 - the NTR patrons will drop off, leading to a drop in revenue for HeavenStudios initially, till the Fans of the BloodLust genre get to know about the game and become patrons on Patreon.
I would like to believe that Starke knows about this possibility.
Right now I don't think the impact will be that big. I think the case of fan #1 right now immensely overwhelms fan #2. I feel like most people that follow Heaven Studios follow Heaven Studios, not a NTR game.

Anyone here will stop following Heaven Studios once they move away from NTR to their second game? We can do a test with a small sample size right now.

In fact, is anyone here not curious about their new project with Scarlet Ann even though it doesn't have NTR?
 
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Terix3

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They have to, you are forced by Steam to do it. Can't even have a link to your website if it has links for some other place where you can buy the game. You also can't undersell Steam.

Being on Steam is a blessing and a curse.
Ugh i didn't think about that as i don't really see patreon as selling the game... But yea if you can get on the steam to suggest your game to people you just flyyy. That is the thing behind Summer Memories from Kagura being so vastly more popular then any other of their games, not sure if they paid or it is pure algorithm but i saw it suggested multiple times. I don't have any Kagura games on steam i get them on mangagamer and now their website so the algorithm couldn't pick that up.

In regards to support for FI, it is currently second most supported NTR game and number 1 most supported from peak&total funds gained perspective. By NTR games i mean games with that focus not kink Frankensteins.
One think you guys are forgetting is that it is 7 years of development. Sure the game is huge in content but at one point people are like "well i've spent enough on this project already" we talked about this already, being four times bigger then average game doesn't mean people will spend four times as much on it.
Another thing is that as project gets older it just loses on its excitement factor. I think it's common knowledge.

Anyone here will stop following Heaven Studios once they move away from NTR to their second game? We can do a test with a small sample size right now.

In fact, is anyone here not curious about their new project with Scarlet Ann even though it doesn't have NTR?
I think it boils down to what they move to and if that is within peoples interests ? Even yourself i don't think you would follow if they started making gay game right?

I have no interest in Scarlet Ann game, after playing his/her first project i felt that i have played all he/she has to offer. Second game ensured i'm right. I'm also not a fan of games based on popular franchises, never played a Naruto game, porn or otherwise.
 
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knjast

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Anyone here will stop following Heaven Studios once they move away from NTR to their second game? We can do a test with a small sample size right now.

In fact, is anyone here not curious about their new project with Scarlet Ann even though it doesn't have NTR?
I'm supporting them for the studio, not the tag.

I have no interest in Scarlet Ann game, after playing his/her first project i felt that i have played all he/she has to offer. Second game ensured i'm right. I'm also not a fan of games based on popular franchises, never played a Naruto game, porn or otherwise.
Scarlett Ann (is a girl, btw) is only an artist in external projects (at least so far), so "her games" can't be the same as long as she works with different game devs. In this case it still is a Heaven Studios game.
 

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I think it boils down to what they move to and if that is within peoples interests ? Even yourself i don't think you would follow if they started making gay game right?

I have no interest in Scarlet Ann game, after playing his/her first project i felt that i have played all he/she has to offer. Second game ensured i'm right. I'm also not a fan of games based on popular franchises, never played a Naruto game, porn or otherwise.
I said moving a way from a NTR game, not flipping the who game on its head and suddenly start doing guys on guys, I think that much is pretty obvious, they won't do that though.

It's not a Naruto game, they explained the plot in their last Podcast. Plot is too long for me to explain so:



Listen from there. It takes like 5 minutes.
 

Terix3

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Scarlett Ann (is a girl, btw) is only an artist in external projects (at least so far), so "her games" can't be the same as long as she works with different game devs. In this case it still is a Heaven Studios game.
Her art is repetitive and generally boring. I like boobs as any other but hers are grotesque big and rather then add actually take away from the scenes.

It's not a Naruto game, they explained the plot in their last Podcast. Plot is too long for me to explain so:

Listen from there. It takes like 5 minutes.
If its Naruto characters it is Naruto game as far as i'm concerned.
Can't watch it because i'm not giving google my ID/CC and service that i use to bypass the check doesn't work for this video.
 

Zellemate

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New vote for patreons going on at the moment regarding DLC's.
- Here is a sneak peak of how it is going:
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The killing Goku

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I said moving a way from a NTR game, not flipping the who game on its head and suddenly start doing guys on guys, I think that much is pretty obvious, they won't do that though.

It's not a Naruto game, they explained the plot in their last Podcast. Plot is too long for me to explain so:



Listen from there. It takes like 5 minutes.
No matter the DEV nor artist, I'm not really much of a fan of anime/manga/popular franchise-based rips.
I prefer original content, not characters ripped from an anime I used to watch many years ago.

Dunno if basing your content on something else is a good or bad thing to gain traction and an audience, but as for me, it doesn't draw me in. Rather the opposite actually.
 

knjast

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Her art is repetitive and generally boring. I like boobs as any other but hers are grotesque big and rather then add actually take away from the scenes.
That is a matter of taste.

If its Naruto characters it is Naruto game as far as i'm concerned.
Can't watch it because i'm not giving google my ID/CC and service that i use to bypass the check doesn't work for this video.
No matter the DEV nor artist, I'm not really much of a fan of anime/manga/popular franchise-based rips.
I prefer original content, not characters ripped from an anime I used to watch many years ago.

Dunno if basing your content on something else is a good or bad thing to gain traction and an audience, but as for me, it doesn't draw me in. Rather the opposite actually.
Literally gave you a link that explains its not related to Naruto whatsoever (or any other established IP), please do watch before continuing the discussion.
 

Latex224

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New vote for patreons going on at the moment regarding DLC's.
- Here is a sneak peak of how it is going:
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I was actually gonna ask if someone could share it here hihi. Thank you Mr. Z. :)

Just to get this straight so, Robert's Trust Ending and General Improvements/Redraw old scenes are "bankers" and is kind of "confirmed" except for a date that is, yes? :unsure:

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Again thanks for the vote post sharing. :)
 

Zellemate

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I was actually gonna ask if someone could share it here hihi. Thank you Mr. Z. :)

Just to get this straight so, Robert's Trust Ending and General Improvements/Redraw old scenes are "bankers" and is kind of "confirmed" except for a date that is, yes? :unsure:

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Again thanks for the vote post sharing. :)
You are welcome - Not really any secrets in this pool - It only shows what patreons have voted for(and its not done yet)
- Hope Starke won't kill me :censored:

We have talked a bit about this before - There is stuff Starke wants to do, and there is stuff Starke have time do to.
- This poll makes it way easier for him to pick.... If there should be any time available for any of them.
 
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Anyone here will stop following Heaven Studios once they move away from NTR to their second game? We can do a test with a small sample size right now.

In fact, is anyone here not curious about their new project with Scarlet Ann even though it doesn't have NTR?
I've had a lot of Patreon memberships over the years in the context of adult games and I ultimately canceled the vast majority because of developers who either show zero respect for their audience or developers who show little sign that they're putting forward any sort of consistent effort.

Currently, my only memberships are with Heaven Studios, Anduo Games, and AdventAnyx (and Remtairy on SubscribeStar) because they put out content I greatly enjoy, communicate consistently, are openly passionate about their work, and visibly put my money to good use month after month. Heaven Studios in particular... I've had an active membership for over 2 years and even during a brief period where I cancelled ALL of my other Patreon memberships due to IRL things, I kept my Heaven Studios sub going. Few reasons -

1. I don't directly participate much on their Discord but I lurk a fair amount and they seem to be the most humble and upfront devs I've ever come across in this scene. Starke just seems like a genuinely honest and dedicated guy who wants to make the game he loves, give his fans what they want, and foster an actual community. He messaged me out of the blue one day to get some additional info after I reported some random bug - so yeah, he does seem to care about what people are saying and actually interacts with his community. I respect that. Same goes to the rest of his team.

2. The game has all the kinks I want. Not gonna lie, I'm a big fan of NTR and sharing, and this game has a ton of that spread across most of its routes. They don't seem to be stopping either... they just keep adding more and more of that stuff all over the place, which is perfectly fine with me.

3. I love the art. Not much else to say here. Ayame is hot as fuck and so are pretty much all of the scenes. It's high quality stuff and it's not easy to find this style of art in this style of game that's uncensored. The fact that they've been going back and re-working older scenes to get them up to the level of their new style is also a big plus - I can't think of many other devs who care enough to do something like that.

4. They actually keep to their schedules and do what they say they're gonna do. You'd think this would be common among developers, but it's pretty fuckin rare these days.

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All of that said, I'm not sure if I'd keep my Patreon membership if they moved to a completely different style of game. As much as I respect the studio, I typically only subscribe to devs who are creating content I'm actually interested in. If they finish this game and start on something that has zero appeal for me, there's a decent chance I'd cancel my sub.

I don't know much about Scarlett Ann specifically but I glanced at some of her work and it seems pretty good to me, so it'll probably be fine.
 
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Latex224

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You are welcome - Not really any secrets in this pool - It only shows what patreons have voted for(and its not done yet)
- Hope Starke won't kill me :censored:

We have talked a bit about this before - There is stuff Starke wants to do, and there is stuff Starke have time do to.
- This poll makes it way easier for him to pick.... If there should be any time available for any of them.
Thank you 4 the reply Zellemate. :)
I hope this might "help"/show what the fans want (first of all the patreons).

I am maybe in the crowd of the last persons to say this but I kinda stand behind what one of the guys on Discord channel said regarding the Shota DLC. (Since Starke said the Beastly-DLC was a bust for Heavens Studios and lost more then them gained) so that was his question regarding that patch, Also using the outcome of the poll maybe is a better way too go? :unsure:

Either way so am I looking patiently to see/heat the outcome and what & if it the outcome will have any impact on future development.
 
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All of that said, I'm not sure if I'd keep my Patreon membership if they moved to a completely different style of game. As much as I respect the studio, I typically only subscribe to devs who are creating content I'm actually interested in. If they finish this game and start on something that has zero appeal for me, there's a decent chance I'd cancel my sub.

I don't know much about Scarlett Ann specifically but I glanced at some of her work and it seems pretty good to me, so it'll probably be fine.
The project with Scarlet Ann will not slow down the schedule of Fleeting Iris / Bloodlust, Starke and Issac will work on both of them at the same time.

I'm kinda excited for Bloodlust to be honest, Evelyn has a lot of Milf vibes, even if she should be in her early 30 max. Starke said in a podcast that she will have an antagonist pretty similar to Melvin ( the school principal). I expect great things :D
Jasmine looks a little less appealing, but as far as i remember from her scene in Fleeting Iris, she has a boyfriend ( so there's still room for NTR related scenes).
 
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Zellemate

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A few twitter updates for those interest:

3 winners found for retweeting Fleeting Iris and won themself a copy of FI for steam - GZ to them!
- News here ->

Mod developer Phalzyr, have considered to make Fleeting Iris into a Ren'Py mod!
Damn - We wish him the best of luck and looking forward to seeing how that will turn out.
- Read about it here ->
- Or link to his patreon ->
 

Zellemate

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Oh that reminds me were the winners selected for the scene contest ?
Yes way back - It was Advint & Siriusblack who won. They were they only ones who submitted anything!
- And Starke said he would do both their scenes and put them into the game, they will be available via the Library ingame from next patch. Which is also why the total scenes for next patch is 17 - Which is really high.
 

Terix3

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Yes way back - It was Advint & Siriusblack who won. They were they only ones who submitted anything!
- And Starke said he would do both their scenes and put them into the game, they will be available via the Library ingame from next patch. Which is also why the total scenes for next patch is 17 - Which is really high.
Oh i see, i wasn't able to finish mine in time.
 

Traikedon

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when i play this game the game screen always goes black by itself, anyone know how to fix it?
 
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