All Female

[fitgirlbestgirl]

Who wants to read through 5+ lines of tags, just because someone wanted a tag for every little thing... If you want to reveal more about your VN/Game, then do that in the description... The tag system is there for folks to easily see what "general" types of content the VN/Game will have so they can either avoid it, or seek it out... But if you start over diluting it with a ton of long winded and/or hyper specific key words, then it will become a deep sea of meaningless mumbo jumbo, that takes too long to read through...

I disagree. The tag system is there to facilitate easy searching for specific types of content you want. More tags are always better, as long as they are accurate.

 

[Silver]

You just need to be cautious that you don't over saturate the tag system... Because if folks start seeing pages worth of tags for stuff being posted here, I'm sure they will grow to hate the tag system in general... Who wants to read through 5+ lines of tags, just because someone wanted a tag for every little thing... If you want to reveal more about your VN/Game, then do that in the description... The tag system is there for folks to easily see what "general" types of content the VN/Game will have so they can either avoid it, or seek it out... But if you start over diluting it with a ton of long winded and/or hyper specific key words, then it will become a deep sea of meaningless mumbo jumbo, that takes too long to read through...

I believe that as the Staff feels a new tag is needed, they will add it... We shouldn't be pushing them into adding hundreds more tags just to be anal-retentive or help someone with OCD needing an insane number of sub-tags to satisfy their hyper attention to detail...

Zip

nobody says anything about pushing anyone. I told them if they feel like they can go and request. after all the request section is there to request. so chill out.

 

[recreation]

I said this in some other thread already but imo grouping tag by scenes and story/theme would be nice. This would make it easier to see if a has just some lebsian scenes or the whole game is lesbian themed, same with rape, ntr or whatever.

 

[RanliLabz]

I said this in some other thread already but imo grouping tag by scenes and story/theme would be nice. This would make it easier to see if a has just some lebsian scenes or the whole game is lesbian themed, same with rape, ntr or whatever.

You just need to be cautious that you don't over saturate the tag system... Because if folks start seeing pages worth of tags for stuff being posted here, I'm sure they will grow to hate the tag system in general... Who wants to read through 5+ lines of tags, just because someone wanted a tag for every little thing... If you want to reveal more about your VN/Game, then do that in the description... The tag system is there for folks to easily see what "general" types of content the VN/Game will have so they can either avoid it, or seek it out... But if you start over diluting it with a ton of long winded and/or hyper specific key words, then it will become a deep sea of meaningless mumbo jumbo, that takes too long to read through...

I believe that as the Staff feels a new tag is needed, they will add it... We shouldn't be pushing them into adding hundreds more tags just to be anal-retentive or help someone with OCD needing an insane number of sub-tags to satisfy their hyper attention to detail...

Zip

That's why I suggested a Master Tag system here... so that content tags don't get overloaded and unnavigable, but players have an easier way to find the 'group' they'te interested.

 

[Zippity]

That's why I suggested a Master Tag system here... so that content tags don't get overloaded and unnavigable, but players have an easier way to find the 'group' they'te interested.

You're best bet, then, is to go to the suggestion section and submit a thorough example of what you would like to see, along with all the reasons for why you believe it would be helpful... And see what the staff and website manager have to say about it...

Zip

 

[doidera]

I disagree. The tag system is there to facilitate easy searching for specific types of content you want. More tags are always better, as long as they are accurate.

When you put the Lesbian tag in games that the protagonist is man, it does not make it easy to find a game that interests you.

Once a staff responded that "The tags are placed according to what you find most immediately in the game."

Funny is that some games with gay themes have characters with big tits, but you do not you the tag "big tits" in these games.

 

[fsap1]

This is a general porn game site, not a specialized one. It makes sense for a site like TFGames to have very specific tags for the transformation genre. For us simply "transformation" will do.

Watersport: Is it just one scene or a whole game about peeing?
Anal: Is it a man or a woman taking it up the ass? Trans?
Lesbian: Is it all lesbians? Is there tribadism? Butch or femme?

You can go very specific on everything and it would be a lot of work and bloat to appeal to every little nuance of a genre.

But you can mix and match tags to find what you want, if you want all female, your best bet is: lesbian + female protag + 2dcg. (I don't see a lot of female only 3D games)
Bisex? Gay + vaginal... And so on.

The only solution I can see for this problem is if there was a separate section for users to add custom tags, then the more popular ones would be added to the game. Something like: mom-son, redheads, female only, orgasm denial, etc.

 

[Segnbora]

I'd rather see the sex tagged by its participants (MF, MM, FF, M/TG, F/futa, or whatever) like most story sites do. The lesbian tag would thus become redundant if the only "who's having sex?" tag was FF.

 

[Walg]

Since this thread has slightly morphed into a tag discussion, I'd suggest you to air some of your requests in this planned feature thread before the PH tag suggestions idea goes live.

 

[khumak]

I think the problem for people looking for pure lesbo content is that straight M/F is just kind of assumed whether there's a tag for it or not. So the lesbian tag doens't mean there's no guys and/or no penises, it just means there's at least 1 lesbian scene. Probably better tags to look for if you want pure lesbo stuff would be things like strapons or other sex toys that aren't needed for M/F scenes.

I don't know if the same is true for games with the gay tag but I suspect those games focus much more exclusively on M/M scenes since most straight guys won't play anything that has even 1 M/M scene (I know I won't). So there wouldn't be much point in putting M/F scenes in a game with the gay tag since there won't be many straight people playing it.

On the bright side for lesbians, most of the adult content I've seen (both games and porn) does include lesbo scenes. It just ALSO includes M/F scenes.

 

[Segnbora]

But the system I described would be so much simpler and more accurate than tag-hunting for specific sexual acts or fetishes trying to figure out whether this is an all-lesbian-sex game or a game where your sisters get it on at some point. And I'm not sure your "bright side" is all that bright for actual lesbians; I think they'd love to know before downloading which games are free of M/F sex.

As for "gay" showing up as a tag for games that aren't exclusively M/M sex, The Things We Do For Love comes immediately to mind. It's a dual-protagonist (brother-sister) game that will allow you to play it however you want, but the (forced) opening scene requires the "gay" tag, and I think about a third of the posts in its thread have been the same questions, over and over, about that tag. It would be so much clearer if the tags read "M/F (optional), M/M (optional), F/F (optional), rape (forced)" so people didn't have to keep asking if there was a way to avoid the gay content.

 

[Zippity]

I think the tag discussion should move to it's own thread, as it seems to be getting off topic and derailing this threads original subject... Perhaps the originator of the Changing the Tags discussion, should go post a thread in the Feature Request section and this discussion about tags can continue there...

Zip

 

[khumak]

Personally I think it would be nice if more games were set up to use early encounters as a gating mechanism to restrict and/or swap out some types of scenes they're going to show.

So for instance let's say the main character is a female. Early in the game her first option for sex is a choice between a male or a female. If she picks female then that guarantees that the rest of the game will include F/F scenes. The next encounter gives her a similar choice. If she picks female again then ALL future scenes will be F/F, no more guys. If she picks male then the game will have a mix of both. The next option might determine whether there are threesomes and what type they are (so for instance gating FFM vs FMM scenes).

It could be progressive as well so maybe the first scene determines that the player likes lesbian scenes. The next one includes a choice to use toys vs fisting or something and leads to scenes that focus more on whatever choice was made. Maybe the next one includes an option for a Futa scene and if that is turned down then it swaps out any future futa content for pure lesbo scenes.

The same type of thing could work for guys. I think the main caveat with that sort of system is that the game would have to make it blatantly obvious that those first 2 or 3 scenes (or however many are being used for that) are being designed to do that. That way for instance I could play a game that includes the gay or futa tag knowing that I'll have a choice right away that guarantees I'll never see anything involving that content. You could also just use toggles from the main menu to do that before the game even starts and it would probably be less work to develop.

The downside is it would mean more work developing scenes that a lot of people would intentionally never see and setting up whichever characters are "swappable" so that both options fit into the story seemlessly. The upside is that your potential audience just got a lot bigger. It wouldn't be worth it to do that for every different kink you're using in your game, just the ones that provoke the most negative reactions from people outside your usual audience.

 

[Zippity]

Personally I think it would be nice if more games were set up to use early encounters as a gating mechanism to restrict and/or swap out some types of scenes they're going to show.

So for instance let's say the main character is a female. Early in the game her first option for sex is a choice between a male or a female. If she picks female then that guarantees that the rest of the game will include F/F scenes. The next encounter gives her a similar choice. If she picks female again then ALL future scenes will be F/F, no more guys. If she picks male then the game will have a mix of both. The next option might determine whether there are threesomes and what type they are (so for instance gating FFM vs FMM scenes).

It could be progressive as well so maybe the first scene determines that the player likes lesbian scenes. The next one includes a choice to use toys vs fisting or something and leads to scenes that focus more on whatever choice was made. Maybe the next one includes an option for a Futa scene and if that is turned down then it swaps out any future futa content for pure lesbo scenes.

The same type of thing could work for guys. I think the main caveat with that sort of system is that the game would have to make it blatantly obvious that those first 2 or 3 scenes (or however many are being used for that) are being designed to do that. That way for instance I could play a game that includes the gay or futa tag knowing that I'll have a choice right away that guarantees I'll never see anything involving that content. You could also just use toggles from the main menu to do that before the game even starts and it would probably be less work to develop.

The downside is it would mean more work developing scenes that a lot of people would intentionally never see and setting up whichever characters are "swappable" so that both options fit into the story seemlessly. The upside is that your potential audience just got a lot bigger. It wouldn't be worth it to do that for every different kink you're using in your game, just the ones that provoke the most negative reactions from people outside your usual audience.

Yeah, that is the problem you run into... The more complexities you place into how a story progresses, both in the short and long term, the larger the scope of the project... Having to pay such close attention to the web of alternative story arcs, while also ensuring story continuity, requires far more time, skill, and willingness for a developer... And with the way these things are usually released, in small portions over a rather lengthy amount of time, usually a year or more... You just don't see it being done all too often, or at the least done well too often...

There are a few that I've seen do a decent job with it... But it is definitely not common... You do get some that do alright with a minor amount of complexity, but to the degree you talked about, that are actually done well, those are a rarity...

Zip

 

[doidera]

IF the game is exclusively gay, the guys put the tag "gay" and then everyone knows that the game is about a male protagonist who gets involved with other guys.
Even if there is a girl with big breasts on the cover of the game, no one puts the tag "big tits" in the game, because they know that big tits are not the focus of the game!

How difficult is it to do the same with the Lesbian tag?

If the game is about a girl who engages with other girls, like Bloming Love, PUT the lesbian tag.

If you can choose to play with a girl or a boy, get involved with other girls or you can get involved with guys and girls, like in Witchs and Wands. PUT the lesbian tag and the gay tag.

IF the game is about a male protagonist, then it's NOT a game about lesbians, so DO NOT PUT the lesbian tag! Simple!

 

[khumak]

IF the game is exclusively gay, the guys put the tag "gay" and then everyone knows that the game is about a male protagonist who gets involved with other guys.
Even if there is a girl with big breasts on the cover of the game, no one puts the tag "big tits" in the game, because they know that big tits are not the focus of the game!

How difficult is it to do the same with the Lesbian tag?

If the game is about a girl who engages with other girls, like Bloming Love, PUT the lesbian tag.

If you can choose to play with a girl or a boy, get involved with other girls or you can get involved with guys and girls, like in Witchs and Wands. PUT the lesbian tag and the gay tag.

IF the game is about a male protagonist, then it's NOT a game about lesbians, so DO NOT PUT the lesbian tag! Simple!

Except that's not really the way tags are usually used. If it always meant that this is what the game focuses on then that would be fine but it just means this game contains xyz, not how much of it. Plus if it was done your way then it would be entirely useless as a means of excluding content you DON'T want to see which is mostly what I personally use it for.

 

[doidera]

Except that's not really the way tags are usually used. If it always meant that this is what the game focuses on then that would be fine but it just means this game contains xyz, not how much of it. Plus if it was done your way then it would be entirely useless as a means of excluding content you DON'T want to see which is mostly what I personally use it for.

I know this is not the way the tags are used. But why? Why not use like this?
I mean, then, if a gay game has a single quick time when the characters have straight sex, why does not it have the sex vaginal tag?

Why only the lesbians tag is used incorrectly?

And, please, asking me in a good way, how would my system get in the way of finding or excluding the content you are looking for?

Because the current way is a lot of my search for content, since I have to navigate a sea of male protagonists, until I find a game like Bloming Love.

The only explanation is that you are actively looking for games where a male protagonist enters the room and fucks two girls who are having sex between them.
But then, in that case, it would be easier then to create a tag "sex to three" or "group sex", and there would be all that content to explore.

 

[khumak]

I know this is not the way the tags are used. But why? Why not use like this?
I mean, then, if a gay game has a single quick time when the characters have straight sex, why does not it have the sex vaginal tag?

Why only the lesbians tag is used incorrectly?

And, please, asking me in a good way, how would my system get in the way of finding or excluding the content you are looking for?

Because the current way is a lot of my search for content, since I have to navigate a sea of male protagonists, until I find a game like Bloming Love.

The only explanation is that you are actively looking for games where a male protagonist enters the room and fucks two girls who are having sex between them.
But then, in that case, it would be easier then to create a tag "sex to three" or "group sex", and there would be all that content to explore.

Well the problem is you're looking for tags that tell you what the game is focused on while I'm looking for tags that exclude the game if a scene matching that tag happens even once.

To use one of your examples:

Even if there is a girl with big breasts on the cover of the game, no one puts the tag "big tits" in the game, because they know that big tits are not the focus of the game!

Actually that is a tag that's used pretty often, usually to describe cartoonishly massive boobs, like a gallon or more milk jug each massive rather than just realistic but well endowed. So assuming I don't like that, it would just have the lesbian tag on it or the gay tag or whatever so I wouldn't know it has big tits. Or if I'm looking for things I do want, this would be a problem:

IF the game is about a male protagonist, then it's NOT a game about lesbians, so DO NOT PUT the lesbian tag! Simple!

So if I like playing as a male MC but I also like FF scenes then none of the games with a male MC will have that tag so I won't know it's in there.

For us both to be happy there would need to be two different types of tags. One type only gets applied if the game actually focuses on whatever it is. So in your case a focus lesbian tag or whatever you want to name it would mean most or all of the sex scenes were lesbian. And then the other type would work like the current system where it just means there is at least 1 scene that matches that tag so I could exclude things I really don't want to see.

Another thing that might come close would be if more games used tags like MF, FF, MM, FFM, FMM, etc to give a better description of specifically which types of pairings happen. In my case anything that includes more than 1 M would be disqualifying while it sounds like in your case anything that includes more than 0 Ms would be disqualifying. In my case I can use anal as a proxy for that since I'm indifferent to anal scenes with females but definitely don't want to see any with males on the receiving end. I agree that it's probably frustrating if you're specifically looking for just lesbian content though the way things work now.

 

[macadam]

mmh, true that full lesbian games are.. very rare at best.
meanwhile the gay game doesnt have this problem at all... wich is pretty strange.

but again... fact is, most of game, whatever they are suppsoed to be, inclued a lesbian scene on it. wich obviously can not be tagged as "lesbian" for just a scene or a few events.

while gay scenes are present mostly ONLY in gay full games . i rarely saw a game that containt some decent gay content without being full gay. (even staship inata doesnt count).

i guess its same for lesbians. wich are more used everywhere on lots of games.

also fact is, doing a full lesbian female game will be pretty hard unless you are yourself lesbian to know what you talking about. i m pretty sure sexuality and relation between lesbian are far different from straigth couples. wich require some knowledge on that.
and of course, a nice story that doesnt turn the girl into full dominatrix or full slut cumbucket, wich also make the work harder.

hope one day a good one will pop up, i dont have troubles to test and play that game if its well done. as i have no knowledge about lesbian stuff, i would like to learn a bit in the same time than having fun playing the game

 

[doidera]

I understand that you, despite playing with male protagonist, want to see scenes with FF.
But, I'm thinking of a way not to have to be creating tags and involving the group of forum staffs that, by the absence of any response from a moderator here, makes me think they are not so concerned about the issue and simply , encourage staff to use the tag correctly (in my opinion)

But if the only way to solve this is by creating a new tag, then let it be!
My idea