All NSFW games on Itch are now hidden by default.

[Purple Nurple08]

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[Purple Nurple08]

If it is factually correct, then yes - by logic, I am right.

This has NOTHING to do with what you think is right. It does have 100% to do with what's "legal" because that is how business is run and stays in business.

And again, I point to my previous statements about the developers who are seeing their games being delisted on itch:

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I've fucking screenshotted these images several times in this and other threads:

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That's not how it works ... and yes, the actions they took were to enforce their TOS. If they don't enforce their TOS evenly and properly, it opens them up to legal claims of discrimination for protected classes if a game designed by a person is banned but a similar game designed by a person of different demographics remains. And then, yes, part of the reason they are able to take payments is because their TOS matches with what laws say, as well as what payment processors agree with.

Take a breath and make it less personal.

Why do you all keep bringing up Subscribestar? They are in a similar situation and will be under scrutiny at some point just like Patreon, Gumroad, Steam, Itch, etc....

Oh, you're just a troll, lol.

 

[Aswiri]

I don't think Itch io needs to remove any games. They just need to change the tags, like Dlsite did. Tags like "white cream", "black door", "honey jar" etc. well, you get the idea.

 

[Draim]

GABEN SUKA BLYAD

 

[Xorrak]

I've heard so many people saying "oh they should definitely put that game on steam!" and I've told them time and time again that is not a good idea because they will always censor it
Now they pull this shit

 

[Aswiri]

To the authors of games on Itch io: maybe you should remove some tags and mentions of prohibited content from the game description? Then maybe you won't get banned. They need to review a lot of games, maybe they won't even launch them, but will look at the tags and description.

 

[HornyNinja]

Some people might need to take a couple of breaths and expose themselves to how real life works for a while and then come back in a couple of weeks when most of this has been sorted for the foreseeable future (which is a term I guess carries no meaning whatsoever in the current political climate).

 

[Slime Battery]

I don't think Itch io needs to remove any games. They just need to change the tags, like Dlsite did. Tags like "white cream", "black door", "honey jar" etc. well, you get the idea.

It didnt work for DLsite, it wont work for Itch.

 

[Aswiri]

It didnt work for DLsite, it wont work for Itch.

Damn corpos!

 

[Cybuster]

I already have.

Porn is speech though, and I'm not going to comment on the Miller test too much because there's too much unknown, I think there's a very good reason why there very little obscenity cases these days, it's mostly because the tests are becoming more and more impossible to satisfy all three prongs, not to mention, recent court case ruled photoreal AI generated CSAM possession as under first amendments, and between drawn lolisho and photoreal AI porn I had thought that photoreal AI as being far more egregious.

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I just think since Visa and Mastercard is not just targeting lolisho but whole other category of taboo subjects, I think this open them up for being discriminatory because of morality

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I read the link, the few lines caught my eyes:

"Fair Access to Banking Act,

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, which will end the discriminatory lending practices of major banking institutions that seek to circumvent the legislative process, set social policy from the boardroom and prevent banking regulators from inappropriately pressuring banks to debank politically disfavored industries

The Fair Access to Banking Act would require banks to provide access to services, capital and credit based on the objective risk assessment of individual customers, rather than subjective broad-based decisions affecting whole categories or classes of customers."

"The Fair Access to Banking Act would stop corporate banks from picking winners and losers based on executives’ personal politics. It also protects banks from outside pressure by special interest groups seeking to use the banks as a political weapon to advance their agenda."

"Corporate banks have privatized “Operation Choke Point,” the illegal discrimination scheme that began under the Obama-Biden administration. The Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)-led effort, directed financial institutions to deny entire industries access to services, including the firearm industry. Despite being a Constitutionally-protected industry, the Obama-Biden administration illegally coerced banks to end existing business relationships and deny new ones. "


Guess what, Operation Choke Point also includes "The guidance identified a variety of businesses who pose “elevated . . . legal,
reputational, and compliance risks” to depository institutions.35 According to the FDIC, these businesses include: credit repair companies, debt consolidation and forgiveness programs, online-gambling related operations, government grant or will-writing kits, payday or subprime loans, pornography, online tobacco or firearms sales, pharmaceutical sales, sweepstakes, and magazine subscriptions."

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We know that banks and payment processors has been debanking porn stars on a whim

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It sounds to me like this bill is doing exactly what we wanted

 

[SlightlyTitillated]

Make your game compliant, sell it - and offer a free DLC for the originally intended other stuff. Might work for devs.

Doesnt change the fact that a group of people are trying to censor the world.

 

[Cybuster]

Make your game compliant, sell it - and offer a free DLC for the originally intended other stuff. Might work for devs.

Doesnt change the fact that a group of people are trying to censor the world.

Porn games in Steam do that already. They will still face ban hammer. Unfortunately, Visa and Mastercard knows all these circumvention tricks, because Japan had tried many of these already.

 

[Count Morado]

Porn is speech though, and I'm not going to comment on the Miller test too much because there's too much unknown, I think there's a very good reason why there very little obscenity cases these days, it's mostly because the tests are becoming more and more impossible to satisfy all three prongs, not to mention, recent court case ruled photoreal AI generated CSAM possession as under first amendments, and between drawn lolisho and photoreal AI porn I had thought that photoreal AI as being far more egregious.

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I just think since Visa and Mastercard is not just targeting lolisho but whole other category of taboo subjects, I think this open them up for being discriminatory not because of morality

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I read the link, the few lines caught my eyes:

"Fair Access to Banking Act,

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, which will end the discriminatory lending practices of major banking institutions that seek to circumvent the legislative process, set social policy from the boardroom and prevent banking regulators from inappropriately pressuring banks to debank politically disfavored industries

The Fair Access to Banking Act would require banks to provide access to services, capital and credit based on the objective risk assessment of individual customers, rather than subjective broad-based decisions affecting whole categories or classes of customers."

"The Fair Access to Banking Act would stop corporate banks from picking winners and losers based on executives’ personal politics. It also protects banks from outside pressure by special interest groups seeking to use the banks as a political weapon to advance their agenda."

"Corporate banks have privatized “Operation Choke Point,” the illegal discrimination scheme that began under the Obama-Biden administration. The Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)-led effort, directed financial institutions to deny entire industries access to services, including the firearm industry. Despite being a Constitutionally-protected industry, the Obama-Biden administration illegally coerced banks to end existing business relationships and deny new ones. "


Operation Choke Point also includes "The guidance identified a variety of businesses who pose “elevated . . . legal,
reputational, and compliance risks” to depository institutions.35 According to the FDIC, these
businesses include: credit repair companies, debt consolidation and forgiveness programs, online-gambling related operations, government grant or will-writing kits, payday or subprime loans, pornography, online tobacco or firearms sales, pharmaceutical sales, sweepstakes, and magazine subscriptions."

We know that banks and payment processors has been debanking porn stars on a whim

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It sounds to me like this bill is doing exactly what we wanted

I could debate Miller test ad nauseum. And you should REALLY take the Miller test into consideration. And you have to consider the political climate.

No, it won't do you what want it to do. It will not. It isn't protected speech - very few courts (in the US) would allow rape content and incest content in these games to pass the Miller test, not with the vast number of conservative judges on the bench. And SCOTUS would uphold any decisions regarding such dismissal of claims.

Again, read the political history - there is a VERY CERTAIN industry that this is aimed for. It is AIMED for the firearms and ammunition industry - who is attached at the hip with the conservatives who are supporting this bill. If those same conservatives thought this would benefit producers to put rape and incest in their adult games - they would amend the bill to make it not benefit. And while civil liberty groups may support taking up the fight - liberals will not side with it. As I stated earlier - it's political suicide on the left and right (in the US) to side with rape and incest content in adult products. That's why you see PornHub and other sites doing "step-cest" and why every video that is posted on those sites have consent forms that must be signed saying that all people are consenting, even in what appears to be non-consenting content.

So no...

This won't happen.

It won't do what you think it will.

And, even if there was a loophole that could get it there - that loophole would be quickly closed by the courts or by politicians.

And, like I have said before - it's not like I'm against the content in fictional products that we are talking about -- hell, I've produced and performed in plays that directly challenge such closed-mindedness. But my personal beliefs are not going to taint what is reality. Not right now in this political climate.

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As for your link regarding porn stars - first, articles are rarely objective. Second, you're posting a link to a story from 11 years ago. Not the current political climate where many people in the US executive branch were active authors in a policy project that stated it wanted to ban ALL pornography.

Same with your information about Operation Choke Point - it is outdated as of 2014:

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And deciding not to do business with companies that provide content that include rape and incest, even in fictional content, would easily be considered being prudent by the average person, businessman, politician.

 

[unocrus]

Payment processors be like:

 

[Skedaddle_]

Does anyone have at least a list of all the games? If they have a backup, that would be really great.

 

[Casperer007]

If it is factually correct, then yes - by logic, I am right.

This has NOTHING to do with what you think is right. It does have 100% to do with what's "legal" because that is how business is run and stays in business.

And again, I point to my previous statements about the developers who are seeing their games being delisted on itch:

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Also, it's HILARIOUS that it is obvious you are making this personal and not thinking objectively. I've been involved in the creative industry for over 2 decades as a creative enthusiast and then professional. I'm a fucking Democratic Socialist. I hate big business and capitalism. But I'm not going to lie to myself --- I'm going to look at the situation as it is and treat it as it is.

Sure I am being subjective, but this has EVERYTHING to do with what folks think is right. We have arrived at this point because other people are using all their power to put in place systems regarding what they think is right to the detriment of others.

you are being far too objective, far too nonchalant about thousands of devs games getting shadowbanned, about whole tags hidden away. It's a whole bunch of people who have lost one of the biggest platforms and you only seem to care about shrugging and saying "it's legal". Like I'm autistic and struggle with empathy, but even I think you come across as very cold and inhuman with the stringency that you place upon being legally correct without any regards for the actual people.

Like we get it, you're better than us because you can look at the "facts" and stay "objective" about what is "legal" and care about all the businesses bottom lines, while we're all getting turned inside out by the payment processors and folks are at risk of loosing their streams of income.

 

[Cybuster]

I could debate Miller test ad nauseum. And you should REALLY take the Miller test into consideration. And you have to consider the political climate.

No, it won't do you what want it to do. It will not. It isn't protected speech - very few courts (in the US) would allow rape content and incest content in these games to pass the Miller test, not with the vast number of conservative judges on the bench. And SCOTUS would uphold any decisions regarding such dismissal of claims.

Again, read the political history - there is a VERY CERTAIN industry that this is aimed for. It is AIMED for the firearms and ammunition industry - who is attached at the hip with the conservatives who are supporting this bill. If those same conservatives thought this would benefit producers to put rape and incest in their adult games - they would amend the bill to make it not benefit. And while civil liberty groups may support taking up the fight - liberals will not side with it. As I stated earlier - it's political suicide on the left and right (in the US) to side with rape and incest content in adult products. That's why you see PornHub and other sites doing "step-cest" and why every video that is posted on those sites have consent forms that must be signed saying that all people are consenting, even in what appears to be non-consenting content.

So no...

This won't happen.

It won't do what you think it will.

And, even if there was a loophole that could get it there - that loophole would be quickly closed by the courts or by politicians.

And, like I have said before - it's not like I'm against the content in fictional products that we are talking about -- hell, I've produced and performed in plays that directly challenge such closed-mindedness. But my personal beliefs are not going to taint what is reality. Not right now in this political climate.

I agree with you on the practical reality of the matter. But I agree with you only because the Supreme Court's attitude to pornography as a speech to still kinda unknown at the moment, the recent age verification case has Supreme court ruled in favor of restriction, but the same court also acknowledges porn as speech. So who know about taboo subject porn as a matter of free speech.

I think things are only "political suicide" if you could be shamed. Since Trump won repeatedly, I would argue that liberals should start to learn to be shameless.

 

[Aswiri]

With the Visa and MasterCard I can buy so much, a hooker, drugs, weapons but to watch on drawn naked women - it is FORBIDDEN! why? I don't understand. There must be some logic in all this, right? Why are games where killing and torturing are allowed, but sex is not? Some guys in suits were sitting somewhere in a tall building and deciding why one thing is allowed and the other is not? How does this even happen? Who is this corpo impotent villain who decides what we can and can't watch?

 

[agf02agf]

Sure I am being subjective, but this has EVERYTHING to do with what folks think is right. We have arrived at this point because other people are using all their power to put in place systems regarding what they think is right to the detriment of others.

you are being far too objective, far too nonchalant about thousands of devs games getting shadowbanned, about whole tags hidden away. It's a whole bunch of people who have lost one of the biggest platforms and you only seem to care about shrugging and saying "it's legal". Like I'm autistic and struggle with empathy, but even I think you come across as very cold and inhuman with the stringency that you place upon being legally correct without any regards for the actual people.

Like we get it, you're better than us because you can look at the "facts" and stay "objective" about what is "legal" and care about all the businesses bottom lines, while we're all getting turned inside out by the payment processors and folks are at risk of loosing their streams of income.

This is exactly it, its not a matter of legality anymore, its a matter of censorship and bullying by a monopoly held by two AMERICAN companies GLOBALLY, using american laws to shield themselves to influence the entirety of the world and enforcing said laws even on those not under the american jurisdiction, and the fucktard that you responded to is trying to use that to justify this, he is saying that he is right by logic while in fact he is not since the rest of the fucking world doesn't follow american stupid laws.

 

[beerpig]

Why are you guys still replying that functional illiterate? I blocked that thing because, once it's unable to address an argument, it pretends the argument doesn't exist, so it repeats the same shit over and over. And that's clearly what it's is doing here, based on the replies. Seriously, just ignore that thing and its idiocy and move on, it isn't like you'd be losing any serious point.

That said I think itch.io went for a "nuclear" option (delisting almost everything NSFW) in panic, to sort things out. The issue of those payment processors doesn't seem to be "porn", but rather "porn with non-con and/or incest content". So odds are that most games will be re-listed Soon®, but a few of them will be missing.

It's still extremely problematic that payment processors are able to dictate the content of a platform, regardless of the ideology motivating those payment processors; this needs to be addressed, otherwise it won't be just non-con+incest porn, it'll be soon porn in general. And then other things.