All NSFW games on Itch are now hidden by default.

[Insomnimaniac Games]

This is one of the reasons why I do blame Steam. Because in order to have agreements with those payment processers, Steam has to agree to the rules that say that payment processors will not allow money transfers for certain content. Steam knew - and because either their original work wasn't with adult games or because they overlooked making sure they put it in their rules or they tried to get away with it for as long as they could (sound familiar) --- they didn't make sure to clarify it with developers.

It actually goes a touch further than that. Steam manually reviews games. They had that seal of approval from Steam that their games where okay to post.

 

[Vax Morale]

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Their official statement. Not sounding too good. They are pretty much capitulating to payment processors but only time will tell how much will actually get put back.

No Mercy still has to be the most random game to cause this much of a shitshow

 

[MGGEDev]

No Mercy still has to be the most random game to cause this much of a shitshow

For real. It was nowhere near as bad as the controversy made it out to be and there is far worse out there.

Just unfortunately got the wrong kind of media traction.

Must be nice for all these big corps and coward site owners to have an easy scapegoat though.

 

[Vax Morale]

For real. It was nowhere near as bad as the controversy made it out to be and there is far worse out there.

Just unfortunately got the wrong kind of media traction.

Would probably have an aneurysm if they find out about some Japanese visual novels out there

 

[Specific360]

They are.

They are selling their services to process payments, and as such they have the ability to deny service if they choose to.

No, they aren't.


That's valid. But it wouldn't change what is happening now.

Not with the political climate that is in play right now.
Not with the courts in play right now.

The conservatives in office won't fight for porn producers --- ESPECIALLY when rape and incest content is involved.
The liberals in office won't fight for this -- because the conservatives would label them pedophiles and smut peddlers and putting our children in danger.

Petitions won't do shit.
Writing to companies won't do shit.
Contacting elected officials wont' do shit.

Not any time soon.
Not in this political environment.

Eventually, if the pendulum swings another way and there is the "perfect" client to put on the stand -- then the ACLU and other similar free speech groups might fight it.

Bullshit. It's an apt analog.

It's not about the size of a business. It's about what they have the right do with with their business. Whether it is a multinational corporation or a "mom and pop business."

You are literally being a hypocrite by saying that developers should be able to put into their products what they want because it is theirs .... but Steam can't decide what goes on their site .... and itch can't decide what goes on their site ... and payment processors can't decide what they do with their business.

Again:

Processors have the right to run their business the way they wish within the legal and civil framework allowed them. Therefore, they have the right to say what they will or will not allow if a person/company wishes to use their services.

Processors, in order to exist, must follow the laws, regulations, and rules (de jure and de facto) or they will go out of business.

Platforms have the right to run their business the way they wish within the same framework. Again, they have the right to say what they will or will not allow if a person/company wishes to use their services.

Platforms, in order to exist, must follow the laws, regulations, and rules (de jure and de facto) - including the rules of the processors they wish to use - or they will go out of business.

Developers ALSO have the right to run their business within the legal and civil framework allowed them. As such, like the other two, they have the right to put in whatever content they wish into their game. That said --- again, like the other two ---
Developers, in order to exist, must follow the laws, regulations, and rules (de jure and de facto) - including the rules of the platforms they wish to use - or they will go out of business.

For a guy with a sunflower for a pfp you sure are a fuckin doomer

 

[w123t4]

I can't believe subscribestar will be the last save harbour for the nsfw game, if it also down then maybe some hub site like f95 can finally become the bellwether?

 

[MGGEDev]

Would probably have an aneurysm if they find out about some Japanese visual novels out there

Even the shit you can find at the back of any book shop in Japan would make them require an ambulance lol

 

[Count Morado]

For a guy with a sunflower for a pfp you sure are a fuckin doomer

No, I'm fuckin honest and realistic.

I can't believe subscribestar will be the last save harbour for the nsfw game, if it also down then maybe some hub site like f95 can finally become the bellwether?

It's not. They have the same/similar rules as Patreon and Itch and Steam... and have for years. You can expect pressure on Subscribestar... may not be this week, or this month, or this year --- but they will be under scrutiny soon.

 

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[TheMud]

I can't believe subscribestar will be the last save harbour for the nsfw game, if it also down then maybe some hub site like f95 can finally become the bellwether?

Is Subscribestar even safe? Don't they primarily handle transactions through... hmm... CREDIT CARDS?

 

[tekkno]

Bye itch.io, only reason youre even big is because of Porn.

 

[Casperer007]

They are.

They are selling their services to process payments, and as such they have the ability to deny service if they choose to.

No, they aren't.


That's valid. But it wouldn't change what is happening now.

Not with the political climate that is in play right now.
Not with the courts in play right now.

The conservatives in office won't fight for porn producers --- ESPECIALLY when rape and incest content is involved.
The liberals in office won't fight for this -- because the conservatives would label them pedophiles and smut peddlers and putting our children in danger.

Petitions won't do shit.
Writing to companies won't do shit.
Contacting elected officials wont' do shit.

Not any time soon.
Not in this political environment.

Eventually, if the pendulum swings another way and there is the "perfect" client to put on the stand -- then the ACLU and other similar free speech groups might fight it.

Bullshit. It's an apt analog.

It's not about the size of a business. It's about what they have the right do with with their business. Whether it is a multinational corporation or a "mom and pop business."

You are literally being a hypocrite by saying that developers should be able to put into their products what they want because it is theirs .... but Steam can't decide what goes on their site .... and itch can't decide what goes on their site ... and payment processors can't decide what they do with their business.

Again:

Processors have the right to run their business the way they wish within the legal and civil framework allowed them. Therefore, they have the right to say what they will or will not allow if a person/company wishes to use their services.

Processors, in order to exist, must follow the laws, regulations, and rules (de jure and de facto) or they will go out of business.

Platforms have the right to run their business the way they wish within the same framework. Again, they have the right to say what they will or will not allow if a person/company wishes to use their services.

Platforms, in order to exist, must follow the laws, regulations, and rules (de jure and de facto) - including the rules of the processors they wish to use - or they will go out of business.

Developers ALSO have the right to run their business within the legal and civil framework allowed them. As such, like the other two, they have the right to put in whatever content they wish into their game. That said --- again, like the other two ---
Developers, in order to exist, must follow the laws, regulations, and rules (de jure and de facto) - including the rules of the platforms they wish to use - or they will go out of business.

I hope you realize that even if every single word of what you said is factually correct, it doesn't make you right. Nor does it make the situation right or valid just because it is all "legal." Laws which go against human nature do not deserve to exist. To go against the very concepts of sexuality, the human will to create, and the idea of free trade is anti-human and it being legal is no excuse. These concepts are at the very foundation of what it means to be human. Your mind is so poisoned by capitalism and the legal system that you cannot even see that being human should always take precedence over the law, over companies.

Just because it is legal does not detract from the fact that, right now, THOUSANDS of entirely legal games have been hidden away because of the whims of a few very powerful companies. That untold hours of human effort has been pushed away to the margins by the elite just because it gives them an ick and they have the legal power to do whatever they like.

 

[Purple Nurple08]

If F95 is a good indicator,
22,389 games listed on F95
4,867 are tagged with "rape"
That's 22.17%, not 80%

Also, rape games were banned by Itch since at least September 2015. They are now just becoming more diligent about it.

Everything else you typed is subjective or misinformed.

Itchio is not enforcing their own policies, where is it in their policy to remove a tag that they themselves created?

What itchio has done is unexpectedly remove an entire genre of games from their front facing store front. We are not talking about something like an announcement post, or even a change in their removal posture. This is not an enforcement of the rules, it's a strange and seemingly knee jerk and widely sweeping change that so far has not been clarified, and really can't be said to be specifically targeting certain, more controversial subsets of adult games. It's just going after the entire broad adult game genre.

As for individual game removal's, they are somewhat irrelevant because of the scope and nature of the broad sweeping platform changes, that have come without warning or explanation. Itchio's position is not to remove specific games in violation, despite what you seem to want to deflect to, they made broad sweeping action against all adult games.

 

[lewdryuuwu]

Bye itch.io, only reason youre even big is because of Porn.

now its going to be gamejolt level of website

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Is Subscribestar even safe? Don't they primarily handle transactions through... hmm... CREDIT CARDS?

Strangely, only half correct. You can sub with Visa and the like, but creators are paid through ACH payments mostly.

No, I don't know why.

 

[w123t4]

No, I'm fuckin honest and realistic.


It's not. They have the same/similar rules as Patreon and Itch and Steam... and have for years. You can expect pressure on Subscribestar... may not be this week, or this month, or this year --- but they will be under scrutiny soon.

At least for now the subscriberstar take all the refugee from patreon and itch. If they finally surrender then all the banned game can only open some shell company ac on these site then publish the games here.

 

[Purple Nurple08]

If a developer has a game that violates the decade-long+ TOS, then it's either because the developer knew the rules and thought they could get away with it, or the developer didn't bother to read the rules and were an idiot not to make sure they were in compliance. Either way, why should the developer get the benefit of the doubt?

I don't necessarily agree with what's banned or not ... but I am not going to play the victim card when it has been discussed time and again for months and years among the adult gaming development and fan community about what sites allow or not - and what sites adamantly enforce their rules and what sites don't have the resources or time to enforce, or simply are trying to get away with something, themselves.

if a game violates tos for a decade, along with multiple other games, likely thousands. Then the storefront effectively is allowing that type of behaviour. The tos may be there for legal reasons, or for the purpose of being able to enforce those rules on the content they host, but ultimately it's up to the platform to moderate the content on it... or to not moderate it. If they don't moderate it that's effectively allowing it. And besides, the actions they took were not to enforce their tos, it was to remove the entire genre.

 

[ToeLintSwallower]

Can't believe even here there are retards excusing censorship.

I'll never understand this. It feels like every time theres a topic such as this on here the usual handful of users come racing over with the goal of disregarding valid concern and killing all discussion. Never seen such a dedicated collective of finger waggers here of all places.

 

[CellSunz]

For real. It was nowhere near as bad as the controversy made it out to be and there is far worse out there.

Just unfortunately got the wrong kind of media traction.

Must be nice for all these big corps and coward site owners to have an easy scapegoat though.

Pretty much all the videos on No Mercy were posted within a 3 day timeframe and they were nearly identical in terms of content as if they were reading off of a script. Instead of trying to educate the public on why they think the game should be removed. They chose the manipulation route. Wouldn't be surprised if people were paid to post those videos. "Trigger warning everyone! I'm about to talk about something really disturbing and disgusting. If you care about a woman or child in your life you need to hear this!!" bonus points if the person shed a tear or two. Learned about "Collective Shout" today so I went back to those videos. If you were just scrolling and seeing them organically you may think "wow, a lot of people are talking about this! Must be serious!". But looking at them all together, hundreds of videos being posted at the same time, following the same script, same talking points, same trigger warning, same visuals, nahhhhh. Might sound conspiratorial to some but it's sketch af to me. A feminist group that is pro-life, anti-LGBTQ, and partnered with evangelical groups. Nuff said.

 

[Count Morado]

I hope you realize that even if every single word of what you said is factually correct, it doesn't make you right. Nor does it make the situation right or valid just because it is all "legal." Laws which go against human nature do not deserve to exist. To go against the very concepts of sexuality, the human will to create, and the idea of free trade is anti-human and it being legal is no excuse. These concepts are at the very foundation of what it means to be human. Your mind is so poisoned by capitalism and the legal system that you cannot even see that being human should always take precedence over the law, over companies.

Just because it is legal does not detract from the fact that, right now, THOUSANDS of entirely legal games have been hidden away because of the whims of a few very powerful companies. That untold hours of human effort has been pushed away to the margins by the elite just because it gives them an ick and they have the legal power to do whatever they like.

If it is factually correct, then yes - by logic, I am right.

This has NOTHING to do with what you think is right. It does have 100% to do with what's "legal" because that is how business is run and stays in business.

And again, I point to my previous statements about the developers who are seeing their games being delisted on itch:

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Also, it's HILARIOUS that it is obvious you are making this personal and not thinking objectively. I've been involved in the creative industry for over 2 decades as a creative enthusiast and then professional. I'm a fucking Democratic Socialist. I hate big business and capitalism. But I'm not going to lie to myself --- I'm going to look at the situation as it is and treat it as it is.

Itchio is not enforcing their own policies, where is it in their policy to remove a tag that they themselves created?

What itchio has done is unexpectedly remove an entire genre of games from their front facing store front. We are not talking about something like an announcement post, or even a change in their removal posture. This is not an enforcement of the rules, it's a strange and seemingly knee jerk and widely sweeping change that so far has not been clarified, and really can't be said to be specifically targeting certain, more controversial subsets of adult games. It's just going after the entire broad adult game genre.

As for individual game removal's, they are somewhat irrelevant because of the scope and nature of the broad sweeping platform changes, that have come without warning or explanation. Itchio's position is not to remove specific games in violation, despite what you seem to want to deflect to, they made broad sweeping action against all adult games.

I've fucking screenshotted these images several times in this and other threads:

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if a game violates tos for a decade, along with multiple other games, likely thousands. Then the storefront effectively is allowing that type of behaviour. The tos may be there for legal reasons, or for the purpose of being able to enforce those rules on the content they host, but ultimately it's up to the platform to moderate the content on it... or to not moderate it. If they don't moderate it that's effectively allowing it. And besides, the actions they took were not to enforce their tos, it was to remove the entire genre.

That's not how it works ... and yes, the actions they took were to enforce their TOS. If they don't enforce their TOS evenly and properly, it opens them up to legal claims of discrimination for protected classes if a game designed by a person is banned but a similar game designed by a person of different demographics remains. And then, yes, part of the reason they are able to take payments is because their TOS matches with what laws say, as well as what payment processors agree with. For legal reasons as well as processing payments --- and staying in business --- businesses have to follow their TOS or change them to something they will follow.

Take a breath and make it less personal.

At least for now the subscriberstar take all the refugee from patreon and itch. If they finally surrender then all the banned game can only open some shell company ac on these site then publish the games here.

Why do you all keep bringing up Subscribestar? They are in a similar situation and will be under scrutiny at some point just like Patreon, Gumroad, Steam, Itch, etc....