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duiop

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Is there not a single nice romance route for any character?
Unfortunately, the only "nice" path is the non-cuck LDR. Personally, I think the dev fumbled it by making the LDR the only girl that doesn't treat the MC like complete and utter garbage or have an incredibly unethical relationship (mother). I understand the MC is supposed to be some gigaloser, and giving him a tangible, "real" girlfriend would take away from that aspect, but it sucks for people like me. While I enjoy the utter taboo of the mother path and the degradation of the gyaru path, I'd like a more wholesome change of pace but I'm left with the worst route in the game.

It's worse because, as of right now, the LDR path is buggy as shit (though the dev is aware). To make matters worse, she's way less popular than the mom and the IR chick, meaning she gets even less content.

Really, I just hope the dev adds a path to the gyaru route where, while you don't become equals, their relationship perhaps becomes more wholesome than the cucked paypig dynamic, something akin to a mistress and sub. Maybe she catches her boyfriend cheating on her and has the MC fuck her with an extension or something. But yeah, unless it gets overhauled, the LDR path isn't very good. Then again, if you're looking for a game with wholesome romance, this simply isn't the title for you.
 

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Unfortunately, the only "nice" path is the non-cuck LDR. Personally, I think the dev fumbled it by making the LDR the only girl that doesn't treat the MC like complete and utter garbage or have an incredibly unethical relationship (mother). I understand the MC is supposed to be some gigaloser, and giving him a tangible, "real" girlfriend would take away from that aspect, but it sucks for people like me. While I enjoy the utter taboo of the mother path and the degradation of the gyaru path, I'd like a more wholesome change of pace but I'm left with the worst route in the game.

It's worse because, as of right now, the LDR path is buggy as shit (though the dev is aware). To make matters worse, she's way less popular than the mom and the IR chick, meaning she gets even less content.

Really, I just hope the dev adds a path to the gyaru route where, while you don't become equals, their relationship perhaps becomes more wholesome than the cucked paypig dynamic, something akin to a mistress and sub. Maybe she catches her boyfriend cheating on her and has the MC fuck her with an extension or something. But yeah, unless it gets overhauled, the LDR path isn't very good. Then again, if you're looking for a game with wholesome romance, this simply isn't the title for you.
Maybe this game just isn't your thing?
 
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duiop

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Maybe this game just isn't your thing?
I like the game though. I was telling the other user why they probably won't like it, since the only path they may like is broken and lacking content.

Since posting might as well give my thoughts on why I don't like the LDR path instead of crying it's shit without any real feedback

The first and biggest problem is the lack of stakes and its failure as an NTR route. As of right now, she’s just an LDR, an anime profile picture you banter with. She sends you a black bar (her pussy), a picture of her feet, and will banter with you about your dick size (if you sent a pic), chastity, and her infidelity if you choose the option. Basically, she isn't a real girlfriend; she acts as a goon buddy. Oliver should take her place as the dude you share porn and goon with.

Now, this isn’t going to happen because it would require a whole ass rewrite, and the dev should probably focus on new shit. Ideally, though, she should be close, like 40 minutes away—far enough that she isn’t a known entity. Due to her shyness and personality, she isn’t on “normal” social media like Insta, so everyone believes you're making her up. But she is very much real; she should go to a private catholic school and be a full-on trad-wife-in-training type. It would be her idea to do the whole "no sex before marriage" thing (including handies and blowjobs, which is why the MC is so horny), basically the opposite of how Secretary did it. She would also like anime and vidya and have that geeky girl-next-door look. In other words, she's a unicorn for a guy like the MC, and at the start of the game, they genuinely like each other.

Instead of what happens now, on weekdays you would hang out with her, play video games, and chat on discord about what’s going on in life. The real meat of her route would be her weekend activities, which are wholesome at the start. You might go on a hike, play vidya together, watch anime—just wholesome shit that nerdy couples do.

Here’s where the meat of her route should be, she should be a corrupted mirror of the MC; based on his actions, she might get corrupted herself. The GF should be the therapist, as opposed to the actual therapist (who is a dogshit therapist anyway; her only point in the story should be to up the stakes and introduce new kinks and give the player tasks, which is pretty much what she does now since there is no stress system and the therapy options do nothing). These “therapy” sessions would be your weekday chats, but you aren't really doing therapy for yourself, it’s more for her. Based on how you frame what's going on at your school (either framing yourself as someone being crushed by institutional forces OR as a passive cuck), she will either gain respect and try to shield you from some of the pain, OR she will be disgusted by your failings as a man and the fact that you are being unfaithful to HER by getting off on this degradation.

After every big therapist task (like fapping to feet, armpits, etc.), if you tell her about them, losing you respect/raising her corruption, she’ll start integrating these fetishes into your weekend girlfriend experiences. For instance, while you watch anime, you give her a foot massage. If you admit you like armpits, you might do yoga or something, and she’ll wear clothes that show off her sweaty armpits. Obviously, the more corrupt she gets, the more she just starts cheating on you, and she’ll lie to your face about it. There will be narrative hints, like the state of her hair or the fact she's offline on Discord/Steam when she’s always online at that time.

This basically turns what is now a lame-ass scene—where your “girlfriend” just admits she wants to sleep around—into what netorare should be: a cathartic and devastating experience where your personal failings lead to your “perfect” girl being corrupted by your failure of masculinity. The corruption will also change these GFE scenes; she won’t be as happy, and smiles won’t reach her face. Instead of watching anime, you’ll watch random garbage on Netflix. You get the point. If you show her your dick during a weekend scene, she might give you SPE on the low-corruption route and SPH on the high-corruption route.

Of course, NTR would have to join the diaper/bestiality toggles, as there would be no in-game warning telling you, If you choose (x), you are going to be cucked.

Perhaps on low-corruption routes, your GF eventually finds out about everything anyway and will try to “shield” you by submitting with you. She might join Kelly’s little harem with you and that Japanese girl, whatever her name is, and maybe even wear her own chastity belt. On higher-corruption routes, she might start hanging out with Sabrina.


TL;DR: I think it would be a better route if there were actual emotional stakes and her corruption resulted from your active failings as a man, not just the game deciding you will be cucked for shits and giggles.
 
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Caretaker17

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Since posting might as well give my thoughts on why I don't like the LDR path instead of crying it's shit without any real feedback
:unsure: Didn't quote the whole thing because too big but I did read it. Definitely a lot to think on there. Not too much to say in reply that is relevant. The truth of the matter is I didn't give her existence good thought by way of what would make an engaging storyline. She is just based on a collage of things both real and fictional. And there may be a bit too much realness in regard to how sedentary, slow, and distant an LDR can be.

I think you've got a cute idea weaving the therapist tasks together with the girlfriend ones, likewise, the Catholic school thing is funny. It's a little difficult to parse with maybe some other stuff, but friction is what makes change. If she has some likes, interests and curiosities that aren't so moral, that can lead to further corruption if the player wants.

On the other hand, the gooner/neet/shut-in unicorn gf is most definitely something people desire.

Anyway thank you for taking the time to write all that out. I'll need to reflect on what can be done, what I'd like done, and such like that.
 

duiop

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On the other hand, the gooner/neet/shut-in unicorn gf is most definitely something people desire.
I love the concept of dating a girlfailure hikkineet. And while I don’t consider an LDR with a person you’ve never met any more legitimate of a “relationship” than an ERP partner from /trash/, I would be fine with it.

But to me, in her current state, she screams art ho/theater geek with entry-level taste in weebshit and vidya, complete with an “I’m not like the other girls xd” personality. The fact that, like, three or so interactions into her route, she asks if she can get dicked just backs this up.

to me, a real shut-in GF would be like a chubby Tomoko, a total social failure with a pussy that’s greasy as shit and a bush the size of the Amazon. She would be the type to talk to you about the 200 yaoi fanfics she’s penned on AO3, LOGH, or Umineko or some shit. Gooning with her while she teases you for being pathetic would be hot as FUCK.

But as of right now, that does not appear to be what the GF route is.
 
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Caretaker17

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But to me, in her current state, she screams art ho/theater geek with entry-level taste in weebshit and vidya, complete with an “I’m not like the other girls xd” personality. The fact that, like, three or so interactions into her route, she asks if she can get dicked just backs this up.

to me, a real shut-in GF would be like a chubby Tomoko, a total social failure with a pussy that’s greasy as shit and a bush the size of the Amazon. She would be the type to talk to you about the 200 yaoi fanfics she’s penned on AO3, LOGH, or Umineko or some shit. Gooning with her while she teases you for being pathetic would be hot as FUCK.
One of those things is difficult to find, the other is near fantastical in its rarity. Fujoshis do have their appeal though. I had wanted to implement a girl taking visual influence from Shinozaki Rei's Tatsumi-san, someone in school who you could sell blackmail on yourself and others for sexual favors. Or, to learn more about others. Taking after Erpresser from Censored Sight in function if not form. There was even a plan at one point to have that be your girlfriend, and she's been at your school this whole time, just too embarrassed to come forward entirely. That's cute for some one off short story maybe but I think it would have come off as an awful rug pull.

Anyway, while you and I might appreciate a character with that behavior and physicality, it is a niche interest I suspect.
 
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middaywisher

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I haven't commented on the game before, but I have been periodically coming back throughout its development and have enjoyed it. I'll say my favorite routes so far have been the coworker and the mom. I'm wondering, is the coworker going to become a potential option for a keyholder in the future (I can't imagine she'd be too tempted to release you, though, but I think she'd relish being able to keep the MC out of the gene pool and being the one specifically to control his dick)?

I've also thought about some of the other other event sequences, primarily the wetting content and some of the 0 stamina events (and these might be things you've already had planned or something). For the wetting stuff, it's currently tied to random events when you turn it on, but the first event with him wetting himself in his sleep and then being warned if he wets again he'll be in diapers, and the sporadic other events related to this mixed in (like the metal detector and cop), it feels like the initial prompting shouldn't be a random event but should have its own trigger tied to sleeping after drinking or something so the player can deliberately choose when to start going down that path, and likewise for the pullup/diaper to become one of the underwear options after the first time you trigger the event.

It might be intentional, but some of the before premature ejaculator events seem better or more degrading than their post-premature ejaculator version. Like one that comes to mind pretty prominently is the one down the "take care of sick mom" weekend event. Before you're premature, she gives you the slipper, asks you to start barking, and then you climax and the dialogue seems more demeaning/belittling. Once you're premature, it's basically, here's the slipper, and oh you're done now. I think the "help nurse with class" option could also benefit from another version for after you've lost your stamina too.
 

duiop

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A similar event for advancing the mother's path would be nice. Once you reach the prerequisite for when the foot massage event turns lewd, instead of it changing automatically, the player would have the option to inform the mother that they find her attractive and that, as a young man, they need a healthy outlet outside of porn. The mother would say it obviously can't be a traditional sexual area like her breasts or pussy, but would suggest her feet, since she doesn't really view them as a sensual part of her body.

This would unlock the "romantic" stuff with her. It would also put the onus on the player, so you could remain in a solely platonic relationship (lol) with the mother. The main reason for this change would be to show a progression from "pervy son" to their strange sexual relationship as you reach higher corruption. It's jarring how, once you reach a certain prerequisite relationship/corruption level, your mother just suggests a footjob with no reaction from the MC, all because you reached an arbitrary number.
 
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darthgreed

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Some bugs that I found:
— I get scene with Sabrina and condom with mentioning chastity cage while player not caged yet/
— gyaru6.png instead of gyaru6.jpg/
— you should move <</if>>\ from line 4157 to line 4141 otherwise there is no option for blacked porn at masturbate page and you cannot progress with Sabrina if you dont have mothers panties /
 

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how do you get Ms Highwood scenes?
I think you just need to wait and do whatever Ms. Patterson tells you to do, at some point you'll bump into Ms. Highwood leaving the therapist office and then you're giving the chance to unlock her scenes
 
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Sissydusty

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Am I supposed to be able to do weekend events with the girlfriend and Sabrina during the week? I don't mind it and I don't think its broken anything if it is a bug. also I have a mechanic idea. I don't know how feasable it is but it would be cool if as the MC's stamina got lower masturbation started only taking up half a time slot, like say under 20 or something. this would be cool because it would give you time to do other things like stream or go to work and would make seance story wise I think.
 

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Any chance Kelly can make the alt. chastity offer regardless of stamina? I noticed it stopped triggering on my save and thought it was just random for a while but just checked and see that for some reason progressing stamina below 30 locks you out of it. I've kept old saves so I'm fine but it's a bit tedious. Either way I'm looking forward to more stuff on Kelly and Sabrina's routes.
 
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