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Boehser Onkel

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The story will shape based on your choice. Basically 3 main path, which is evil, angelic, or neutral
sounds good
i ..hated.. the lack of choices in nudist school
(and i dont mean to share the homework with olivia(?) but for example the fucking in the greenhouse )
never played further than the 3rd "task"
i ever had the feeling there the girls are getting whored out to the old rich man club :cautious:
can you give me a piece of mind for this that this will not happen to any of them? :ROFLMAO:
 

Rosen King

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Would you join the dark side with the succubus and fuck mindlessly or would you join the bright side with the angel whom advises you to get the consent of the lady first?
Well that depends. Are we getting consent to use mind control on them? Because I'm down for that option.

But in all seriousness, is the mind control just a generic "shortcut to sex" option or is it actually written for the sake of the fetish? Too many games seem to think mind control is just for people who want to skip the character development and go straight to the sex, when the mind is the whole point of the fetish. That's why I always say that anyone who wants to write mind control should brainstorm ideas about how a consensual mind control story would play out. Because if you can't think of why someone would want to be mind controlled, you're missing a big part of why someone would want to use mind control.
 

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i know - just wondering about the devs name - nudist college has another devs name, but here it's labelled as his other game.
If it's the same dev, then why change his/her name? And even more important, why not finishing nudist college first? It's a proper game imho. Spreading between 2 games without any GOOD reason is terrible, as both games will suffer to get updates out in time.
i was looking for someone to point out exactly this(and if i didn't find anyone, i would have written something similar)
 

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Well that depends. Are we getting consent to use mind control on them? Because I'm down for that option.

But in all seriousness, is the mind control just a generic "shortcut to sex" option or is it actually written for the sake of the fetish? Too many games seem to think mind control is just for people who want to skip the character development and go straight to the sex, when the mind is the whole point of the fetish. That's why I always say that anyone who wants to write mind control should brainstorm ideas about how a consensual mind control story would play out. Because if you can't think of why someone would want to be mind controlled, you're missing a big part of why someone would want to use mind control.
I'll be honest. I've never once thought of mind control as a "fetish" that leads to consensual anything, and I can't really think of anyone who has ever said so.

Mind Control as a "fetish" has always been about imposing your will onto someone no matter what that other persons wishes were. Forcing someone to do something they originally didn't want to do.

How would consensual mind control even work? Its just...sex at that point between two consenting people.
 

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I'll be honest. I've never once thought of mind control as a "fetish" that leads to consensual anything, and I can't really think of anyone who has ever said so.

Mind Control as a "fetish" has always been about imposing your will onto someone no matter what that other persons wishes were. Forcing someone to do something they originally didn't want to do.

How would consensual mind control even work? Its just...sex at that point between two consenting people.
Hmm...good question, mind control content has never been my thing as well. And to me it means the MC has to become a "Bill Cosby" type guy...just to alter the woman's mind to get intimacy from her. That is a total creep thing to do, and it also moves the player into rape / creepy white van guy territory. Because if the woman's mind is placed into a state against her will, just so MC can have sex with her...it's not really consensual sex in my opinion, it's rape.

I'd prefer women who desire MC without being drugged or mind manipulated...its more real, and more fun to play a story where the player has to put work into getting his pussy. Instead of just fucking with her mind, like some dirt bag who roofies girls at night clubs to get sex.

But it's still to soon to tell how this story will handle that type of odd content.

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The story will shape based on your choice. Basically 3 main path, which is evil, angelic, or neutral
within those paths is there the ability to avoid things for example i dont like lesbian/bisexual content so i avoid that when i can will that be possible here?
 
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The phone was way messed up, names wrong and made no sense, then again I was immediately bored and skipped through it.
Maybe in a year this will make sense.
 

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I'll be honest. I've never once thought of mind control as a "fetish" that leads to consensual anything, and I can't really think of anyone who has ever said so.

Mind Control as a "fetish" has always been about imposing your will onto someone no matter what that other persons wishes were. Forcing someone to do something they originally didn't want to do.

How would consensual mind control even work? Its just...sex at that point between two consenting people.
LIs that have a mind control fetish of their own, who get off on the thought about being controlled? It's not exactly a new concept. Same if they have a hypno fetish, MC can just tell them to stay cognizant of the changes he made but follow his commands.

It's not so different from consensual non-con, in the end, it's just consensual sex, no?
 
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The phone was way messed up, names wrong and made no sense, then again I was immediately bored and skipped through it.
Maybe in a year this will make sense.
Ah fuck, I messed up the first part. It was supposed to be just testing but I forgot to remove it. I removed it now. So sorry for that
 

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Hmm...good question, mind control content has never been my thing as well. And to me it means the MC has to become a "Bill Cosby" type guy...just to alter the woman's mind to get intimacy from her. That is a total creep thing to do, and it also moves the player into rape / creepy white van guy territory. Because if the woman's mind is placed into a state against her will, just so MC can have sex with her...it's not really consensual sex in my opinion, it's rape.

I'd prefer women who desire MC without being drugged or mind manipulated...its more real, and more fun to play a story where the player has to put work into getting his pussy. Instead of just fucking with her mind, like some dirt bag who roofies girls at night clubs to get sex.

But it's still to soon to tell how this story will handle that type of odd content.

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Interesting, this sounds like right up my alley. Good old mind control, after the Gift reloaded, we are missing good mind control games. Don't tell me about Shattered Minds, the dev is making an ok game, but it's more "I am an idiot being manipulated" game rather than a power fantasy, and that is the element that matters in mind control.
 
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Hmm...good question, mind control content has never been my thing as well. And to me it means the MC has to become a "Bill Cosby" type guy...just to alter the woman's mind to get intimacy from her. That is a total creep thing to do, and it also moves the player into rape / creepy white van guy territory. Because if the woman's mind is placed into a state against her will, just so MC can have sex with her...it's not really consensual sex in my opinion, it's rape.

I'd prefer women who desire MC without being drugged or mind manipulated...its more real, and more fun to play a story where the player has to put work into getting his pussy. Instead of just fucking with her mind, like some dirt bag who roofies girls at night clubs to get sex.

But it's still to soon to tell how this story will handle that type of odd content.

Regards
Bro sees tag mind control, sees ethical conundrum presented in summary about choices, sees it's a game about the exact idea of ethics behind using that, then proceeds to cry "mind control is rape!!1@!!!1!!". On the top right of the thread, you can find the ignore button. Press it. I don't enjoy gay or ntr stuff, but I don't go into their threads kink shaming and take moral grand standings. Let people enjoy things, and MIND your own business.
 

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My thoughts before playing the game, dev please make the good part interesting too, to really spice up the game you can make it so that in the good part we are more likely to get a happier ending and find true love, also I recommend you can add a harem end in good part too where all girls agree.

Meanwhile for the devil one obviously the sex is there but you can make it have consequences unforeseen ones where girls get angry at being cheated on. All in all what I truly hope for is a well balanced game where both paths have merits and demerits.
 

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Bro sees tag mind control, sees ethical conundrum presented in summary about choices, sees it's a game about the exact idea of ethics behind using that, then proceeds to cry "mind control is rape!!1@!!!1!!". On the top right of the thread, you can find the ignore button. Press it. I don't enjoy gay or ntr stuff, but I don't go into their threads kink shaming and take moral grand standings. Let people enjoy things, and MIND your own business.
They're responding to a multi-post discussion about the nature of the fetish, not making an unprovoked complaint about its existence. I brought up the subject of consensual mind control, someone else said "I don't get it", and then that person said "Yeah I thought it's just rape". It's fair discourse that hasn't devolved into anything hostile yet, except for your post.

I'll be honest. I've never once thought of mind control as a "fetish" that leads to consensual anything, and I can't really think of anyone who has ever said so.

Mind Control as a "fetish" has always been about imposing your will onto someone no matter what that other persons wishes were. Forcing someone to do something they originally didn't want to do.

How would consensual mind control even work? Its just...sex at that point between two consenting people.
See, that's what I'm talking about. If you can't even wrap your head around why someone would do it, you're missing out on the full potential even in non-consensual scenarios, and could learn to execute it better by exploring the part you don't understand. Think about all the other sorts of BDSM stuff that people enjoy exploring consensually. You wouldn't say, "It makes no sense to tie someone up and spank them if you aren't trying to keep them from escaping." There's clearly something people enjoy about it, something about the way it makes them *feel*.

Here are a few examples of how and why someone might enjoy being the "victim" of mind control:

1. Maybe there's something about her own thoughts that she wants to change. Maybe she just wants to quit smoking, or enjoy exercise, or make broccoli (or cum) taste like ice cream. Maybe she's despressed and wants a cheat code to *force* herself to be happy. Maybe she's asexual and wants to be able to enjoy sex - or maybe she's straight, but her best friend is gay and in love with her, and she wishes she was able to return her feelings.

2. Maybe she just wants to treat it like a sex toy or game. If she enjoys being bound, she might enjoy completely losing control of her body, forced to move according to her Master's wishes even though there are no ropes or chains on her physical body. And post-hypnotic suggestions can be used as a more powerful version of the classic "hidden remote control vibrator". All her controller needs to do is snap his fingers to make her orgasm on the spot, or make her feel like an invisible lover is eating her out. Or, for a less extreme version, maybe any time she's feeling lonely she can just tap her own forehead and suddenly feel his arms embracing her.

3. Maybe she just loves the feeling of giving up control, of putting her trust in someone else to not only tell her how to act, but to direct how she thinks and feels as well. Someone who enjoys slave play could experience the pleasure of absolute obedience and bask in the power that her Master has over her. Maybe someone who works in a stressful position as a manager or director can return home and let all their stress and worries melt away as they slip into the mindset of being Master's obedient maid.

4. Maybe there's just something about the way it *feels* that she can't describe. The blissed-out feeling of her thoughts fading away, the satisfaction of obeying a command that completely dominates her thoughts. Maybe it just makes her wet to know that her very thoughts and feelings are changing, and she doesn't understand why, but she know she wants more of it.

5. Maybe she hates herself and/or wants to become someone else. Maybe she sees a sexy, evil character in fiction and thinks, "I wish I could be like her. I wish some dark force would corrupt me and turn me into a dark, sexy version of myself instead of the boring and depressed nobody that I am. With superpowers!" Whether it's a complete rebirth as a new person, or just an alter-ego that they slip into from time to time, with mind control it can become something/someone real instead of just playing pretend.

And all of these things above still have potential to be used in non-consensual situations. A hypnotist could offer to fix something she wants to fix, but then slowly corrupt her in other ways, even as she begins to trust him with more and more of her mind. An unwilling victim could be made to feel like she's being pleasured in public even when nobody's touching her. Her own thoughts could become a trap as the protagonist implants the idea that being brainwashed is sexy, and even though she knows those thoughts aren't her own, it triggers a feedback loop over how hot it is to be brainshwashed into thinking it's hot to be brainwashed. Or maybe it doesn't even need to be implanted - maybe she discovers a genuine mind control fetish as a result of experiencing being a victim of mind control.

All of this is the kind of stuff that makes up the appeal of mind control - a fetish that's about the mind, not just the control. It's way more than just "I put my penis in your vagina and you can't stop me".
 
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They're responding to a multi-post discussion about the nature of the fetish, not making an unprovoked complaint about its existence. I brought up the subject of consensual mind control, someone else said "I don't get it", and then that person said "Yeah I thought it's just rape". It's fair discourse that hasn't devolved into anything hostile yet, except for your post.



See, that's what I'm talking about. If you can't even wrap your head around why someone would do it, you're missing out on the full potential even in non-consensual scenarios, and could learn to execute it better by exploring the part you don't understand. Think about all the other sorts of BDSM stuff that people enjoy exploring consensually. You wouldn't say, "It makes no sense to tie someone up and spank them if you aren't trying to keep them from escaping." There's clearly something people enjoy about it, something about the way it makes them *feel*.

Here are a few examples of how and why someone might enjoy being the "victim" of mind control:

1. Maybe there's something about her own thoughts that she wants to change. Maybe she just wants to quit smoking, or enjoy exercise, or make broccoli (or cum) taste like ice cream. Maybe she's despressed and wants a cheat code to *force* herself to be happy. Maybe she's asexual and wants to be able to enjoy sex - or maybe she's straight, but her best friend is gay and in love with her, and she wishes she was able to return her feelings.

2. Maybe she just wants to treat it like a sex toy or game. If she enjoys being bound, she might enjoy completely losing control of her body, forced to move according to her Master's wishes even though there are no ropes or chains on her physical body. And post-hypnotic suggestions can be used as a more powerful version of the classic "hidden remote control vibrator". All her controller needs to do is snap his fingers to make her orgasm on the spot, or make her feel like an invisible lover is eating her out. Or, for a less extreme version, maybe any time she's feeling lonely she can just tap her own forehead and suddenly feel his arms embracing her.

3. Maybe she just loves the feeling of giving up control, of putting her trust in someone else to not only tell her how to act, but to direct how she thinks and feels as well. Someone who enjoys slave play could experience the pleasure of absolute obedience and bask in the power that her Master has over her. Maybe someone who works in a stressful position as a manager or director can return home and let all their stress and worries melt away as they slip into the mindset of being Master's obedient maid.

4. Maybe there's just something about the way it *feels* that she can't describe. The blissed-out feeling of her thoughts fading away, the satisfaction of obeying a command that completely dominates her thoughts. Maybe it just makes her wet to know that her very thoughts and feelings are changing, and she doesn't understand why, but she know she wants more of it.

5. Maybe she hates herself and/or wants to become someone else. Maybe she sees a sexy, evil character in fiction and thinks, "I wish I could be like her. I wish some dark force would corrupt me and turn me into a dark, sexy version of myself instead of the boring and depressed nobody that I am. With superpowers!" Whether it's a complete rebirth as a new person, or just an alter-ego that they slip into from time to time, with mind control it can become something/someone real instead of just playing pretend.

And all of these things above still have potential to be used in non-consensual situations. A hypnotist could offer to fix something she wants to fix, but then slowly corrupt her in other ways, even as she begins to trust him with more and more of her mind. An unwilling victim could be made to feel like she's being pleasured in public even when nobody's touching her. Her own thoughts could become a trap as the protagonist implants the idea that being brainwashed is sexy, and even though she knows those thoughts aren't her own, it triggers a feedback loop over how hot it is to be brainshwashed into thinking it's hot to be brainwashed. Or maybe it doesn't even need to be implanted - maybe she discovers a genuine mind control fetish as a result of experiencing being a victim of mind control.

All of this is the kind of stuff that makes up the appeal of mind control - a fetish that's about the mind, not just the control. It's way more than just "I put my penis in your vagina and you can't stop me".
Wow, you put a lot of thought in this, interesting points there, I wish your counter has something as insightful to say. Considering this reply, at least the top part, is mostly a rebuke to me, I will politely exit the discourse as it feels I am intruding , and wish you a good day, enjoy the game.
 

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They're responding to a multi-post discussion about the nature of the fetish, not making an unprovoked complaint about its existence. I brought up the subject of consensual mind control, someone else said "I don't get it", and then that person said "Yeah I thought it's just rape". It's fair discourse that hasn't devolved into anything hostile yet, except for your post.



See, that's what I'm talking about. If you can't even wrap your head around why someone would do it, you're missing out on the full potential even in non-consensual scenarios, and could learn to execute it better by exploring the part you don't understand. Think about all the other sorts of BDSM stuff that people enjoy exploring consensually. You wouldn't say, "It makes no sense to tie someone up and spank them if you aren't trying to keep them from escaping." There's clearly something people enjoy about it, something about the way it makes them *feel*.

Here are a few examples of how and why someone might enjoy being the "victim" of mind control:

1. Maybe there's something about her own thoughts that she wants to change. Maybe she just wants to quit smoking, or enjoy exercise, or make broccoli (or cum) taste like ice cream. Maybe she's despressed and wants a cheat code to *force* herself to be happy. Maybe she's asexual and wants to be able to enjoy sex - or maybe she's straight, but her best friend is gay and in love with her, and she wishes she was able to return her feelings.

2. Maybe she just wants to treat it like a sex toy or game. If she enjoys being bound, she might enjoy completely losing control of her body, forced to move according to her Master's wishes even though there are no ropes or chains on her physical body. And post-hypnotic suggestions can be used as a more powerful version of the classic "hidden remote control vibrator". All her controller needs to do is snap his fingers to make her orgasm on the spot, or make her feel like an invisible lover is eating her out. Or, for a less extreme version, maybe any time she's feeling lonely she can just tap her own forehead and suddenly feel his arms embracing her.

3. Maybe she just loves the feeling of giving up control, of putting her trust in someone else to not only tell her how to act, but to direct how she thinks and feels as well. Someone who enjoys slave play could experience the pleasure of absolute obedience and bask in the power that her Master has over her. Maybe someone who works in a stressful position as a manager or director can return home and let all their stress and worries melt away as they slip into the mindset of being Master's obedient maid.

4. Maybe there's just something about the way it *feels* that she can't describe. The blissed-out feeling of her thoughts fading away, the satisfaction of obeying a command that completely dominates her thoughts. Maybe it just makes her wet to know that her very thoughts and feelings are changing, and she doesn't understand why, but she know she wants more of it.

5. Maybe she hates herself and/or wants to become someone else. Maybe she sees a sexy, evil character in fiction and thinks, "I wish I could be like her. I wish some dark force would corrupt me and turn me into a dark, sexy version of myself instead of the boring and depressed nobody that I am. With superpowers!" Whether it's a complete rebirth as a new person, or just an alter-ego that they slip into from time to time, with mind control it can become something/someone real instead of just playing pretend.

And all of these things above still have potential to be used in non-consensual situations. A hypnotist could offer to fix something she wants to fix, but then slowly corrupt her in other ways, even as she begins to trust him with more and more of her mind. An unwilling victim could be made to feel like she's being pleasured in public even when nobody's touching her. Her own thoughts could become a trap as the protagonist implants the idea that being brainwashed is sexy, and even though she knows those thoughts aren't her own, it triggers a feedback loop over how hot it is to be brainshwashed into thinking it's hot to be brainwashed. Or maybe it doesn't even need to be implanted - maybe she discovers a genuine mind control fetish as a result of experiencing being a victim of mind control.

All of this is the kind of stuff that makes up the appeal of mind control - a fetish that's about the mind, not just the control. It's way more than just "I put my penis in your vagina and you can't stop me".
I guess it just depends on how you define Mind Control, and I'd wager most people who are into the kink/fetish are into it specifically for forcing someone to do something against their will, and its the power over that person which is the "attractive" part about the kink. Like past the line of a Dom relationship, where you want the power and dont care what the other person says about it (why it gets tied to rape almost exclusively)

While what you said are all factually mind control things, I guess I would argue it just doesn't capture what the fetish of Mind Control is about for people, which again is forcing people (Rape) to do whatever the MC wants.

The "Mind Control" tag is explicitly [Forcing someone to do something on their own against their will, either with powers or via drugs.] on F95, and that is what I would assume most people are looking for when searching the tag.
 
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