VN Ren'Py Anna Exciting Affection [Ch.2 Ep.19] [DeepSleep]

[Dole]

Maybe the day time have aso to do if you can find the card.

Card 1 outside timmys, in the gutter next to car.
Card 2 outside the bar, on floor next to motorbike
Card 3 before sexshop
Card 4 in reception of office, to the right of Diane, under chair.
Card 5 anna`s living room, under table
Card 6 Upper downdown on the street right side
Card 7 inside Clothing shop on table on the right side
Card 8 Outside Clothing Store, green entrance on the street

 

[khantus]

The only time I said something here was when each Sunday the update got more delayed!

Atleast some weekly update could have been posted officially to keep people engaged!There are very few people who use discord here often so most of times some short message or update is uploaded there!How would people know the state of game?

Also someone has to be a CRITIC rather than blindly supporting each and every step what dev is taking!

So meaning the update will not be release this week huh? Bummer!

We will see what happens in the next few days, Deep has not said anything about this.

 

[Cambryn]

The only time I said something here was when each Sunday the update got more delayed!

Atleast some weekly update could have been posted officially to keep people engaged!There are very few people who use discord here often so most of times some short message or update is uploaded there!How would people know the state of game?

Also someone has to be a CRITIC rather than blindly supporting each and every step what dev is taking!

I'm sorry, but I have followed this developer from "almost" the start of part 1, I'm not sure he has hit any deadline target that he has set, however I now take it with a pinch of salt and add two weeks onto any deadline that is set, however I am also a very cynical person, and believe that those two weeks are for the "whales" that pay the big bucks for early release, and believe that they are playing right now. Now I also understand that where I am typing is an " opportunistic " freebie site, and they have no right to complain about delays, or content, but they will, I only hope it does not deter the "heroes" from linking the game.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

We will see what happens in the next few days, Deep has not said anything about this.

On Wednesday, Deep said it would take him a couple more days to finish the update. That seems to suggest a Sunday release?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I'm sorry, but I have followed this developer from "almost" the start of part 1, I'm not sure he has hit any deadline target that he has set, however I now take it with a pinch of salt and add two weeks onto any deadline that is set, however I am also a very cynical person, and believe that those two weeks are for the "whales" that pay the big bucks for early release, and believe that they are playing right now. Now I also understand that where I am typing is an " opportunistic " freebie site, and they have no right to complain about delays, or content, but they will, I only hope it does not deter the "heroes" from linking the game.

I can assure you, the content is not finished. So no need for wild conspiracy theories. If there were people as you claim, that got some kind of secret early release. The chances are, one of them would have already leaked it. Just like people do, when we have the 'actual' early release.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

The only time I said something here was when each Sunday the update got more delayed!

Atleast some weekly update could have been posted officially to keep people engaged!There are very few people who use discord here often so most of times some short message or update is uploaded there!How would people know the state of game?

Also someone has to be a CRITIC rather than blindly supporting each and every step what dev is taking!

The update, so far has been delayed by one week. What you refer to before, was never a concrete release date, but merely the Devs most optimistic hope. When you saw 'hoped' you should have been able to read between the lines, and recognise that this was something that might happen, but probably wouldn't. So why do you keep saying the update has been delayed over a month, when this is just false?

A fortnight ago, the Dev said he intended to release within a week. That was the first time he made any definite claim about the release date. That means the update has been delayed a week, which in the big scheme of things is nothing. Apart from the early updates (which were much shorter) and were released monthly, the Dev has released between 2-4 months for the last 6 years ( depending on the length of updates). There has been no variation outside this release schedule, except in the minds of some players, who appear to get hysterical when they have to wait longer than two months.

 

[khantus]

On Wednesday, Deep said it would take him a couple more days to finish the update. That seems to suggest a Sunday release?

I am hopeful that the update will be posted on Sunday, but the way things are going, my guess is that Deep will need more days.

 

[RecklessOG]

The update, so far has been delayed by one week. What you refer to before, was never a concrete release date, but merely the Devs most optimistic hope. When you saw 'hoped' you should have been able to read between the lines, and recognise that this was something that might happen, but probably wouldn't. So why do you keep saying the update has been delayed over a month, when this is just false?

A fortnight ago, the Dev said he intended to release within a week. That was the first time he made any definite claim about the release date. That means the update has been delayed a week, which in the big scheme of things is nothing. Apart from the early updates (which were much shorter) and were released monthly, the Dev has released between 2-4 months for the last 6 years ( depending on the length of updates). There has been no variation outside this release schedule, except in the minds of some players, who appear to get hysterical when they have to wait longer than two months.

So now we just start believing that when dev says he is hoping to release by end of some month or 1st week of next month we consider it as end of the next month according to your logic!
It's not my first time but I have seen renpy game devs like perfect housewife,project myriam etc devs taking efforts and pushing updates with quality I can assure you in span of 1 month an even they say they hope but gradually release in 1 month span

 

[Lac]

[...] I also understand that where I am typing is an " opportunistic " freebie site, and they have no right to complain about delays, or content, but they will, I only hope it does not deter the "heroes" from linking the game.

I don't think you are complaining but merely pointing something out which is totally legit in my book ... and also pretty substanciated if you follow the devs behavior.

I like the game very much but i really despise these constantly recurring last minute excuses which are often pretty lame.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I am hopeful that the update will be posted on Sunday, but the way things are going, my guess is that Deep will need more days.

What reason do you have to think that? He hasn't said anything more than he said on Wednesday?

 

[khantus]

What reason do you have to think that? He hasn't said anything more than he said on Wednesday?

These are just my guesses, in this update the bar scene will have the two routes, that is a lot of work, that is why the update is taking so long to come out, also some renders will be added to John and Andrew's scene, not to mention the plot change that Deep mentioned.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

So now we just start believing that when dev says he is hoping to release by end of some month or 1st week of next month we consider it as end of the next month according to your logic!
It's not my first time but I have seen renpy game devs like perfect housewife,project myriam etc devs taking efforts and pushing updates with quality I can assure you in span of 1 month an even they say they hope but gradually release in 1 month span

Well yeah, if you're assuming that it's going to be released on a date, when the Dev has clearly stated he MIGHT release, if everything goes according to plan. Then I think you're being overly optimistic. The problem is, if a Dev tries to be optimistic and gives a date he's not entirely certain about, to please his most impatient fans. They all take it, like he was giving a cast iron guarantee to release on that date. I've lost count of the number of times, I've had to remind people of this, on this thread. Who never read the Devs posts properly, and just seem to see what they want to see.

You mention Project Myriam. It's a great game, one of my favourites and Zorlun does an amazing job to release updates every 1-2 months. But it's far less complex than this one. As a sandbox game, with a phone function, which is heavily integrated into the gameplay, the devs have created a rod for their own back. Because they messed up during early implementation of this function, which now causes issues in every update that is released (which is why old saves are often so problematic). Zorlun doesn't have to deal with any of this, because his game is so much simpler in form.

The other main difference, is that Project Myriam doesn't have any animated scenes. And animations can take a long time to get right. The current problems that the Devs are dealing with, are likely entirely down to the animations, which Deep mentioned in an earlier update. So it might appear to you, that other game Devs can release much quicker than Deepsleep, but without the right context, such comparisons are meaningless.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

These are just my guesses, in this update the bar scene will have the two routes, that is a lot of work, that is why the update is taking so long to come out, also some renders will be added to John and Andrew's scene, not to mention the plot change that Deep mentioned.

Personally, I think it's the animated scenes. Deep doesn't say a lot, but he did mention issues with the animations, so I think they've been struggling to get them right. And he did say there were going to be more animations in this update, than normal.

 

[lord92]

wher is warehouse?

 

[RecklessOG]

Well yeah, if you're assuming that it's going to be released on a date, when the Dev has clearly stated he MIGHT release, if everything goes according to plan. Then I think you're being overly optimistic. The problem is, if a Dev tries to be optimistic and gives a date he's not entirely certain about, to please his most impatient fans. They all take it, like he was giving a cast iron guarantee to release on that date. I've lost count of the number of times, I've had to remind people of this, on this thread. Who never read the Devs posts properly, and just seem to see what they want to see.

You mention Project Myriam. It's a great game, one of my favourites and Zorlun does an amazing job to release updates every 1-2 months. But it's far less complex than this one. As a sandbox game, with a phone function, which is heavily integrated into the gameplay, the devs have created a rod for their own back. Because they messed up during early implementation of this function, which now causes issues in every update that is released (which is why old saves are often so problematic). Zorlun doesn't have to deal with any of this, because his game is so much simpler in form.

The other main difference, is that Project Myriam doesn't have any animated scenes. And animations can take a long time to get right. The current problems that the Devs are dealing with, are likely entirely down to the animations, which Deep mentioned in an earlier update. So it might appear to you, that other game Devs can release much quicker than Deepsleep, but without the right context, such comparisons are meaningless.

What about perfect housewife?I mean the game's dev was working pretty hard and yes his animations have been improved since the launch
And well Yeah he's doing it on SOLO basis whereas here DeepSleep has someone

I'm not saying don't take time to make perfect animations but there are some devs putting lot of effort these days to make sure they aren't milking patrons and releasing pretty close to estimates they give

We need to give room to these actual hard working devs because they are the ones taking efforts to build renpy/adult based gaming community

 

[RecklessOG]

1. Nobody here ever said oh make some novel/side story(which wasn't even interesting)so that the actual game can be delayed/pushed further

2.Nobody likes those faster/slower animations and they can be removed completely to avoid delay in updates

3.Scenes could have been made with less random/new NPCs in background to have rendering animations easily which could help to release new updates easily

4.For example we have already seen a same heavy rendering animation scene which took on beach with Anna and new guys which could have been avoided if those few people around beaches wouldn't have been in scene

 

[Thickgravy49]

What about perfect housewife?I mean the game's dev was working pretty hard and yes his animations have been improved since the launch
And well Yeah he's doing it on SOLO basis whereas here DeepSleep has someone

I'm not saying don't take time to make perfect animations but there are some devs putting lot of effort these days to make sure they aren't milking patrons and releasing pretty close to estimates they give

We need to give room to these actual hard working devs because they are the ones taking efforts to build renpy/adult based gaming community

Mate, it's totally pointless having any kind of interaction with that person, whatsoever.

Even if Deep took an AK and wiped-out an entire class of kindergarten kids, I can promise you they would be up on here swearing to God Almighty and all that's Holy that his finger slipped on the trigger, or that he was set-up by the feds.

 

[natz23]

1. Nobody here ever said oh make some novel/side story(which wasn't even interesting)so that the actual game can be delayed/pushed further

2.Nobody likes those faster/slower animations and they can be removed completely to avoid delay in updates

3.Scenes could have been made with less random/new NPCs in background to have rendering animations easily which could help to release new updates easily

4.For example we have already seen a same heavy rendering animation scene which took on beach with Anna and new guys which could have been avoided if those few people around beaches wouldn't have been in scene

These are true. Especially no. 2, we don't want it.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

What about perfect housewife?I mean the game's dev was working pretty hard and yes his animations have been improved since the launch
And well Yeah he's doing it on SOLO basis whereas here DeepSleep has someone

I'm not saying don't take time to make perfect animations but there are some devs putting lot of effort these days to make sure they aren't milking patrons and releasing pretty close to estimates they give

We need to give room to these actual hard working devs because they are the ones taking efforts to build renpy/adult based gaming community

I can't comment on The Perfect Housewife cos I don't play it. But as I indicated, it's not just the animations that the Devs are currently having to deal with. Admittedly some of those ongoing issues are of their own making because of errors made early in Chapter 2, but they still have to deal with them, and it's not helped by ridiculous conspiracy theories concocted by impatient players (any suggestion they are milking players is ludicrous).

Deciding to continue with the Sandbox version in the Renpy format, may not have been the best decision in hindsight, because they have had no end of problems with it, which might not be apparent to the average player, who are not following the process on Discord. If you're not privy to this information, you may not see the real troubles the Devs have been faced with. At one point Deepsleep was so depressed by at all, he was very nearly tempted to abandon the game. And surely none of us want that.

And that's why I always back them up, because people don't admit those kinds of private troubles, unless they're really genuine. If we all want to see the end of this game, sometime in the future, we all need to stop criticising the Devs for what are in the bigger scheme of things, merely minor delays. If the game could be released earlier it would be. Deep loves making this game, and he loves when people get pleasure from it. But making it has sometimes been a strain on his health. Lovers of this game should be doing everything in their power, to not make that worse.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

1. Nobody here ever said oh make some novel/side story(which wasn't even interesting)so that the actual game can be delayed/pushed further

2.Nobody likes those faster/slower animations and they can be removed completely to avoid delay in updates

3.Scenes could have been made with less random/new NPCs in background to have rendering animations easily which could help to release new updates easily

4.For example we have already seen a same heavy rendering animation scene which took on beach with Anna and new guys which could have been avoided if those few people around beaches wouldn't have been in scene

1) It's not about the people here, most of whom don't support the game. It's about the patrons, the people who actually pay for it, and make sure this game exists at all. These are the people who determine these things, and if you want to try and make things different, then you should put your money where your mouth is.

2) Unfortunately, that is incorrect. The majority of patrons do like them. I agree with you, I've never liked them. But amongst patrons, I'm in the minority.

3+4) Once again, the Devs rely on feedback they get from their patrons, who as a group are far more supportive of these kind of 'innovations'. A Dev's primary concern is to make his game, as appealing to his patrons as possible. So if the majority of them want something, then they'll try to accommodate that. Which may not coincide with the desires of the greater game community, most of whom play the game for free. And at this advanced stage of a game, there is little to be gained financially by taking into account the wishes of non-patrons.