M.Voigt
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yes, exactly, sandbox you move around, VN is straight forward
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You cannot free roam in sandbox
the story is exactly the same you can follow your prefered route in sandbox and VN as well
if for example you choose the "Jeremy is dead" route.. you well never be able to see Jeremy scenes in Sandbox ( no free-roam over the rpute you are following)) and the sames on VN.
The only differences is:
1) In sandbox you must use the map to find the correct scene order
2) in VN you can stai focused in the route you have choose without waste your time in useless Click Click like change dress and you do not need map.
I personally prefer VN!
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i didn't mean free roam like in traditional sandbox, but within Ren'py limitation of course like a map and click around places & rooms & characters or objects of course.
& i 100% agree that for an adult game i much prefer the VN style that Ren'py engine provide with a straightforward approach unless you have an interesting gameplay loop to use Rpg maker like treasure of Nadia which i enjoyed except for the ending especially the puzzles in the temple for example, that's why i hesitated before downloading the first part when i saw it's made using rpgm until i found the ren'py remake which is the best thing that could've happened to this game thanks to the person who made it
but thanks for your answer.
Her giving in to her desires has nothing to do with immaturity. She has a physiological condition, which makes her incredibly horny all the time. It's like being high on drugs constantly, which means she's always open to temptation, and it requires a huge effort on her part to resist. When people are in that state, it's very very difficult to consider consequences. But unlike people who use drugs, Anna hasn't chosen to be like that, it's the consequence of an accident totally beyond her control. So I think comparing her and Andrew on that basis, is meaningless.
As far as Andrew is concerned, I don't think he's responsible at all. He relies on her to go out and make money, and makes excuses about why he can't get a job. I mean when you're in their position you take any work you can get. And not just wait around hoping to get the perfect job. Even the job he does get, it was Anna who got it for him. If it was up to Andrew, no doubt he'd still be unemployed.
Anna is doing multiple jobs to make a life for them, and then she has to come home and do all the housework, while Andrew sits around watching TV. Never once does he offer to help her. Even Ashley helps her in the kitchen, and he doesn't even live there. If Andrew was responsible as you claim, he'd be trying to support her as much as possible.
And then when they move into their new apartment and Anna is desperate for a romantic night together. Andrew decides it's perfectly fine to go off and hang out with Ashley for a couple of hours in the middle of the dinner. Once again selfishly putting his own desires above their relationship. After that Anna gets drunk, and that's what leads to her finally giving in to her lust and having sex with Alfred ( the first time she truly cheats on Andrew). Andrew's irresponsibility could thus be said to be the main spur for Anna becoming a slut. Perhaps if Andrew had stayed home, maybe she never would have had sex with Alfred, and never would have had sex with Ashley, Carl and Sergey later that week? And maybe then, she never would have realised that Andrew wasn't the best in the bedroom?
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brichouse
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I'm 99% sure almost nobody else feels this way, but I... kinda hate the forced lesbian scenes? Like... I refused to mess with Emily before but now Anna's willing to scissor her on the bar? Make it make sense. And I get that the whole office threesome has the purpose of setting up some Diane/John/Anna tension/drama if you're involved with him, but... could he not have just ran into that bitch somewhere else? And why tf was the redhead even there?
I just wanna Anna to hang out with her lil nerd. Why isn't that a possibility?! lol
I just wanna Anna to hang out with her lil nerd. Why isn't that a possibility?! lol
I'm 99% sure you're right. Almost nobody does feel that way. The vast majority of people who play this game are not trying to avoid the sex scenes.
Again, I'm not arguing that he's some great guy and deserves better. I actually want them to break up. I agree with you he's a subpar and unimpressive person in all aspects of his life and especially in regards to being able to satisfy her. Again, you're making my point for me. She makes the money, does the housework, and isn't satisfied sexually with him. WHY are they still together? Sure they have a past but you've said yourself that she's outgrown him.
My original post was about him being useless and is just a Macguffin to satisfy the cheating aspect and suggested he could be replaced with someone more competent or he shouldn't be depicted as being such a loser that he had to be put in a coma and the rest of the story could still be kept the same. You responded by saying they have history and he was important to her so it's understandable she's with him and so she's conflicted about ending things. At the same time you say he's not dependable and point to all his flaws and argue why she wouldn't be in to him and it's his fault she cheated. Due to their shared past and what he did, she cares for him enough to stay with him but at the same time is unsatisfied and is willing to cheat on him? So she appreciates what he did for her in the past but not enough to stay faithful. Is cheating really the lesser of two evils? Would the bf really prefer she remain with him and have sex with everyone but him then to end things? Personally I'd rather the relationship end then be lied to and betrayed constantly. Sure her condition plays a role but you've mentioned she is able to resist (except the times when the game forces it) but it's a struggle to do so but with the bf it doesn't seem to react at all. So his past help is secondary to her sexual satisfaction. She has numerous reasons to not be with him as opposed to like 1 or 2 reasons to stay with him.
My stance has been the same since the beginning. Someone posted their dislike of the bf character and I just replied that he's only kept around so she can still technically cheat. You replied trying to defend their relationship to try to prove he isn't just a Macguffin and then after some back and forth you basically reiterate everything I said about him not being able to make her happy and how incapable the bf is.
As for what I meant regarding maturity, there are many kinds of maturity and responsibility. I was more referring to the maturity in terms of their relationship which is what you pointed out as your main issue with their relationship. Sure, things like employment and house work etc are things that affect the relationship and their future but I'd say things like sleeping with other people, unwilling/unable to have sex with your partner, sleeping with your partners dad, and constantly lying would be larger obstacles to overcome for a successful relationship and have a far greater detrimental effect. Sure she might feel she was pushed to do those things because of his shortcomings and in the process discovered other people were able to satisfy her and take care of her better then the bf could, so again, what motivation does she have to remain with him at that point? What purpose does he play in the story other then to be the loser who gets cheated on?
I'll stop responding to this topic since we're getting nowhere but I'll end it by saying I'm not advocating to remove the cheating or make her a saint or him some alpha bad ass or them to get together with some happy ending or anything. I enjoy the cheating aspect quite a bit in fact, but when the person who's getting cheated on is totally incompetent and there are no risks, consequences, or repercussions to begin with even when they're conscious, them being in a coma is equivalent to cheating on a dildo. Does it really matter? There's no risk, no consequences, hell they can't even be caught by anyone or exposed. Kind of takes some of the excitement out of it for me personally.
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chapter 2 is severely lacking a skip button in VN version, is there a way to script one?
because of that i have a question about the new assistance Madison (Jeremy is alive in my playthrough) after you presented with either options: do what they say or be brave i want to know what's the difference between these two if possible??!
because of that i have a question about the new assistance Madison (Jeremy is alive in my playthrough) after you presented with either options: do what they say or be brave i want to know what's the difference between these two if possible??!
Kazanovaromeo
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I had a similar office bug , Goes to the office then found my self in a car , the boss take me to the old storage ,Emily calls and so on , then it just repeats everytime I go to the office, So either you have the last save from previous update to start again, or a save before having the notice to go to the office in the notebook , or delete the saves and start from the beginning and that works fine with me.
I've explained the reason they have to stay together. I mean you keep saying she could carry on cheating with someone else, but who would that be exactly? Most of the other characters that she could potentially get together with, are supposed to be endgame love interests. Having her get together now with one of those characters, just so she could carry on cheating with someone other than Andrew, would seriously fuck up the plot that is leading towards the end of the game. Not to mention angering those players, who want Anna to end up with that particular character. So your idea that she could do that, just doesn't make any sense. At this stage of the game, there's only one person she can be with to cheat on, and that's Andrew, because the game has been specifically set up for that to happen.
Also, with Andrew's shooting, him and Anna cannot split up until that scenario is resolved. So keeping asking for it to happen is just silly. Anna wants to hear Andrew's side of the kidnapping before she makes a final decision on their relationship. So until he's had the operation and recovered from it, enough for them to have that conversation, she's going to stay with him. And it may be, that she then deliberates about what he tells her, for some time before making a final decision. So we could be talking weeks of game time before she actually splits with him. That's like 20-30 updates away.
So unless Deep suddenly decides to ditch the shooting plotline, which seems highly unlikely and would be stupid anyway. Talking about Anna and Andrew splitting anytime soon is pointless, cos it aint gonna happen.
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I'm not having these problems, so I don't understand why you and others should be?
Did you start the game before version 0.6? And if so, did you start again then or carry on using your old saves from earlier versions? The reason I ask this, is because before version 0.6 there were problems with old saves that lead to issues in the game, and if you carried on using older saves that often led to further issues. In version 0.6 this problem was finally resolved, but it was necessary to restart the game at that point, to make sure there were no further problems.
If you select the first, I suspect Jeremy will eventually make Madison into his Toy, and if you choose the second he'll leave her alone. Anna had the same choice early on in the game, and now there are two routes for her with Jeremy. One where he manipulates her into having sex with him, and the other where she stands up to him and he backs off ( though of course there's not much sex content on this route).
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Kazanovaromeo
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Honstly , I do not know what the proplem is ? but as you just said , when restarting the game from begining it works fine.thank you very much.
there is bugg evrytime i go to the office there is scene that atomaticly start and then anna leave the office this start star hapening after anna refused sex wih chinese old man
i am playing VN version
i am playing VN version
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When Anna visits the prositute in the park in Episode 8 there's a bug if you chose to pay the prositute or have enough Dom points to dominate the prostitute in forcing her to help you. There's a call to a non-existing
lines 2369 and 2370
that same call also exists in
notificationShow followed by a show of a non-existing screen mapshowlines 2369 and 2370
Code:
call notificationShow from _call_notificationShow_67
jump mapshowaftereventquests but didn't run into that one (probably due to chosen options)
kratos1234
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The reason you offer for why they have to stay together is weak. No couple HAS to stay together. Especially when they are unhappy and unfulfilled which she clearly is. I'm assuming not every character she has slept with will be an end game option. Since she literally prefers everyone over the bf, anyone would do. A new character could be introduced who is more competent then the bf but still with flaws and not as good as the others that are end game options. As you said there are still 20-30 updates so it's not too late and it's not like new characters haven't been introduced recently. I agree the game has been set up for the cheating to be on the bf but in my opinion it was done very poorly and fails to include the aspects of cheating that make it enjoyable.
Sure she wants to hear his side of the story but let's be honest she's already checked out and already blames him for how things have played out. It's pretty obvious what he did since he was there with the other faction and she has to know this already. Is the expectation that he'll lie to her about what happened and she'll believe him? We all know he's going to tell her the truth. Even if he does lie, will she fully trust him going forward? Will she then put an end to the other relationships and be faithful? What will really change after speaking to him? She'll either resent him further for what he did or lose trust in him because those options are the only ways the game can go forward.
Most of your argument is that the story has progressed too far now and the dev can't go back so anything I have to say is pointless and not that what I say isn't logical or realistic. I've argued from a much earlier point in the story how the cheating route is flimsy and kind of ignores why it's thrilling and what makes it exciting such as the possibility of being caught or the possibility of losing things that are important but not being able to stop. When there are no consequences it can barely be called cheating. Her current position is no different then being single or him being a roommate or even a family member since there's nothing sexual going on for a long time. You can only argue that at this point in the story it doesn't make sense to change things with which I'm not sure I agree with but that's just changing the original point of the discussion which was the bf only being kept around so she technically has someone to cheat on and is simply a Macguffin and nothing else. You say she feels she owes him for what he did to help her in the past but has no issue doing anything with anyone else but him. Is that really being grateful or thankful to someone for their past help? Is that really the better choice then to end things and continue to lie and betray until it eventually is discovered and blows up? The disorder affects her with everyone else but him but that's not evidence that she feels basically nothing for him? I mean she's now going to either be an escort or a pornstar. What is the plan then? Keep lying and betraying but since he helped her so much in the past, stay with him like it's a favor? Like I said, the reasons to stay together are weak as hell especially when she's clearly happier with literally everyone else and is more emotionally and sexually satisfied with literally everyone else. I'm pretty sure someone stated the dev had to put him in a coma because he was so disliked by everyone but he still needed someone she could cheat on so just kept him around. Even the dev can agree he's just a Macguffin and has only one purpose but besides that is unimportant and has no real affect on the overall story. The only possible end route for him is being a cuckold and enjoying her sleeping with others as it's now impossible for it be only them two as she'll never feel the same way about him regardless of what happens. Can you really see a route where she stops what else she is doing and goes back to being faithful to him and living happily ever after? Now being unable or unwilling to have sex with him and constantly lying? If that's not possible, why stay together? She may be staying out of guilt or obligation but not because she genuinely cares for him. It's unrealistic to think they could have a happy ending just the two of them. Literally everyone can see it's over so the cheating doesn't really matter. Cheating on someone in a coma who has no way of finding out removes all the thrill and excitement especially when there's nothing to lose. Sure he may be important to her but it's only as a friend (if that) and not lover and is only doing worse by him with what she's doing so he clearly isn't that important. That is why I say he is a Macguffin and it doesn't make sense for her to stay with him.
The mental gymnastics it takes to think otherwise is mind boggling. The cognitive dissonance is strong.