kirikirifan

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so uhm.. I'm trying to do the strawberries, cherries quest but there is no use item button for the poster on the bulletin board near the guard's booth. what am I supposed to do here?
nvm, I had another quest going.
But I feel like I'm missing a ton of stuff. such as when kate asks for her sins during the wicked game, I don't have any unlockable option available, nor when mc is talking to flora during the date with jacklyn. can someone share some pointers? thanks
 
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so uhm.. I'm trying to do the strawberries, cherries quest but there is no use item button for the poster on the bulletin board near the guard's booth. what am I supposed to do here?
nvm, I had another quest going.
But I feel like I'm missing a ton of stuff. such as when kate asks for her sins during the wicked game, I don't have any unlockable option available, nor when mc is talking to flora during the date with jacklyn. can someone share some pointers? thanks
Its possible to do many quests in any order you want, but certain options (and therefore certain routes) will be unavailable if you don't get the order correct. To your second example with Jacklyn in The Statement, you need to have done a couple other things first before pursuing that quest to have the option with Flora:

1: Complete "Chile Con Carnal Sin", it doesn't matter if you choose to watch her or not at the end
2: During Flora's next quest, "Tiny Thirsty Tree", you need to talk her out of cake addiction; helping her bake commits you to her Lust path
3: At the end of "Tiny, Thirsty Tree", you should then save her from the Bonsai.

#2 is the most important: it is a path choice (love or lust), that is enforced by The Statement: If you have chosen to talk her out of baking, and seen the ensuing intimate scene with Flora, you will be close enough to ask her what is going on, and change the course of The Statement - surrendering an opportunity for sexytime with Jacklyn, but instead committing to Flora's love route and getting +25 love in a single event.

This game has a lot of mutually exclusive decisions and paths that cannot all be seen or completed in a single playthrough. For example, doing Flora's love route changes the end of The Statement so much that you will not get the ensuing sex scene options with Jacklyn, and likely won't get enough point progress with her to unlock all future dialogue options with her that are currently in the game in other quests. Another example is in Lindsey's questline after you have progressed a little and encounter Maxine (which is often the first time you encounter Maxine). She will say something barely understandable and your options will be to listen to her or choose "I want to help Lindsey", and this in fact commits to two separate, mutually exclusive questlines (Nothing Wrong With Me or Ley of the Land).
 

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Its possible to do many quests in any order you want, but certain options (and therefore certain routes) will be unavailable if you don't get the order correct. To your second example with Jacklyn in The Statement, you need to have done a couple other things first before pursuing that quest to have the option with Flora:

1: Complete "Chile Con Carnal Sin", it doesn't matter if you choose to watch her or not at the end
2: During Flora's next quest, "Tiny Thirsty Tree", you need to talk her out of cake addiction; helping her bake commits you to her Lust path
3: At the end of "Tiny, Thirsty Tree", you should then save her from the Bonsai.

#2 is the most important: it is a path choice (love or lust), that is enforced by The Statement: If you have chosen to talk her out of baking, and seen the ensuing intimate scene with Flora, you will be close enough to ask her what is going on, and change the course of The Statement - surrendering an opportunity for sexytime with Jacklyn, but instead committing to Flora's love route and getting +25 love in a single event.

This game has a lot of mutually exclusive decisions and paths that cannot all be seen or completed in a single playthrough. For example, doing Flora's love route changes the end of The Statement so much that you will not get the ensuing sex scene options with Jacklyn, and likely won't get enough point progress with her to unlock all future dialogue options with her that are currently in the game in other quests. Another example is in Lindsey's questline after you have progressed a little and encounter Maxine (which is often the first time you encounter Maxine). She will say something barely understandable and your options will be to listen to her or choose "I want to help Lindsey", and this in fact commits to two separate, mutually exclusive questlines (Nothing Wrong With Me or Ley of the Land).
thanks for the detailed reply. Yeah like many VNs choosing a route locks you out of another, but I guess I have made a big mess with the play order, not only for the reasons above but also because ie. I encountered Maxine for the 1st time waaay earlier than the lindsey/maxine route choice.
Unless the events in the in-game quest guide are listed idk, from top to bottom to represent the correct play order, the game badly needs an updated walkthrough.

do you know anything about the two events needed to unlock the choices during the wicked game event? I really don't want to start completely over just to play the same routes again praying I don't get something wrong.
or unpack the scripts file and manually search for the variables and where they get set (because obviously I'd like to see the actual scenes, not just the +x points rewarded by the unlocked choices).
 

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thanks for the detailed reply. Yeah like many VNs choosing a route locks you out of another, but I guess I have made a big mess with the play order, not only for the reasons above but also because ie. I encountered Maxine for the 1st time waaay earlier than the lindsey/maxine route choice.
Unless the events in the in-game quest guide are listed idk, from top to bottom to represent the correct play order, the game badly needs an updated walkthrough.

do you know anything about the two events needed to unlock the choices during the wicked game event? I really don't want to start completely over just to play the same routes again praying I don't get something wrong.
or unpack the scripts file and manually search for the variables and where they get set (because obviously I'd like to see the actual scenes, not just the +x points rewarded by the unlocked choices).
I found that to be the case myself as well re: the walkthrough. Fortunately the game is short and its quick to skip through and replay. One piece of advice if you do that: Avoid triggering the quest where you are locked in the homeroom and avoid drinking strawberry juice on Day 1 of the game after Isabelle's tour: Both of these create situations where you cannot speak to Kate until you have resolved the questlines, and you can get trapped in the Kate dream sequence on the first night unable to initiate conversation with her and unable to leave the event.


I never figured out how to unlock that one dialogue option with the nurse either, and I'm not sure its available - there's progress with Kate that isn't in the walkthrough, but it doesn't lead to the resolution of what feels like the game's first Act the way that Dethroning the Queen does - I think there's a quest yet to be added to get those two lines to 'parallel'.

And yeah because the events have really minor pre-requisites, its really easy to do stuff in a wide variety of sequencing, and its kind of annoying it isn't more clear how to optimize your path for the girls you are interested in (and even then, if you read our other discussion, its not clear that optimizing your route for those girls is the best case scenario for them). I have kind of filed this away as a game I'll be interested in at some point but given that it's taken 3 years to this point I expect it to be one of those games I check on like twice a year. There's a lot of interesting potential there but the rate at which this game produces new material doesn't suggest it's going to happen very quickly.
 
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My suspicion is that we're all dead. This isn't time travel, it's Purgatory. At least some of the students are being tested (hence why your character is being steered towards either choosing corruption/lust or love/compassion). Essentially, Heaven and Hell are playing a game to see which side you'll be swayed in the end. Mrs. L is pretty clearly either the Devil or just one of Hell's demons (it's L for "Lucifer", and her address in the exercise tape ad is 666). The mysterious person texting our phone and who keeps arguing with her is clearly on the side of good (based on the stances they're taking and what their intentions seem to be).

It's hard to tell at this point exactly which characters would be the real people getting tested and which are just actors/facsimiles meant to act as testers/temptation/influencers, but unless this is a Purgatory solely for one person (the player), Isabelle definitely seems to be the most likely candidate to be a fellow lost soul.

Lindsay's probably the next most likely person to be real and not an "actor". Maybe after that Flora and/or Kate. I suspect everyone else is part of the test, working for one of the two antagonistic sides.

The Nurse might be another person being tested though. If we assume the indicator for a lost soul is that they're someone who has flaws we can help them overcome, she's basically got an inability to tell people no. She pretty much admits this, and we can encourage her multiple times to stand up for herself against Kate. Her redemption arc would basically be learning to take charge for once.



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Her arc has basically been that she became the paragon she is because of her parents pushing her. She mentions they got her into running, and it seems likely that she's such a good student because they push her to be. She also mentions that her parents wouldn't be happy if she had a boyfriend.

You can tell her in a couple different scenes that she needs to learn to stop trying to live up to what other people want her to be and just be what she wants to be.

If she's injured to the point where her future athletic career is ruined, that forces her to reevaluate all her priorities.

From there, how we interpret that depends on whether or not she's another soul being tested or just meant as a test for you.



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I'm not sure it is the same person.

We're basically told that Maxine essentially drugged Lindsay, which made her suggestible. "Mer" (the mysterious person manipulating things for "Good") then influenced Lindsay into stealing the chocolates, to set into motion the chain of events where you become the hero (bringing you and Isabelle together). But presumably Lindsay remains in that state (or can be triggered back into that state again), which would make it entirely possible for someone else to take advantage of it.

When you arrange a meeting with "Mer", you get to eavesdrop on a conversation between them and Mrs. L. Once they start talking about Mer's manipulation, and Mer points out they're only prohibited from direct manipulation, Mrs. L replies with "Oh, this is how you want to play it?" Which very much suggest she's going to take an even more active role (in a "two can play that game" sort of way).

In other words, I think it's pretty likely that Mrs. L is the one who encouraged Lindsay to hurt herself, as part of her own scheming.

The alternative is Maxine. She seems to either be a neutral party of sorts or an agent of chaos in some way, and might have her own agenda. She's also the one who stole the locker, not Lindsay/Mer. And Maxine is definitely aware of what's really happening, regardless of how she's supposed to be part of it.



One thing I did not really successfully pick up from the game but seemed like it might be hinted at was that Isabelle may not be something that happened in the character's first life at all, hence the opportunities to do things like ask the teacher about her exchange program.

I always kind of had this idea she would turn out to be more important than the others for some reason - that she was wishing she had met someone who could have helped her have a better experience or something like that.
The fact that she wasn't part of the original timeline originally led me to believe she might have been the angel steering you towards good while Mrs. L steers you towards evil.

As the game goes on, I suspect she's someone else in Purgatory with you, who has her own issues she needs to sort out. Specifically, her pent up anger and issues tied to her sister and bullying. If she's being tempted, it's not the Love/Lust dichotomy you're facing, as much as she's being forced to choose between letting rage and vengeance consume her, or finding a way to let go of her hate and instead embrace the happier things in life (like the love of a young boy, for example).

If you tend to go the Love route over the Lust/Corruption route, you start to notice that each of you is making the other better (in the scene in your bedroom after kidnapping Maxine's cat, Isabelle has a line about how it feels like you're the only one who understands her, and you always know how to make her feel better. You respond by telling her that you've always had problems being social but she makes it easy for you to say what you feel because she doesn't judge you for it). At one point you straight up tell her that she's a good person because she cares about making things better, but her flaw is that she can go too far - and that's why you have to be there to tell her when to stop. In other words, you're showing her how to be a better person and not let her love of justice turn into vengeance, while she in turn is helping you come out of your shell and possibly learn to love and not just be a sex-crazed loser.

...which is why Mer pushed the two of you together by manipulating Lindsay. While the two sides are apparently forbidden to interfere directly (the test seemingly being throwing you into a situation where temptations abound and seeing whether you sink or swim on your own), by manuevering the two of you together Mer has created a scenario where the two of you together are better than either of you would ever have been alone.
 

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While I'm at it, just want to mention a bug - I checked to see if anyone else had it but didn't see anything else in the thread (I might have missed it). Figure the dev apparently checks this thread and might want to know about it.

Basically, after a certain point, the scene with Lindsay falling down the stairs triggers (the one where the game mentions Kate's party, and that leads into the Lindsay/Maxine storyline split). The problem is, it keeps showing up. Every time I enter the Entrance Hall screen, the scene triggers. Which makes it almost impossible to navigate the game (but does allow the player to farm Love/Lust points like crazy with Lindsay).

I kept powering through assuming it might clear once Wicked Game was completed (because it seems tied to that quest), but it didn't. At this point I'm assuming that scene is going to trigger every time forever (I don't really want to plow through the rest of the game to double-check, though).

I think the trigger point for this was Maxine - after going to the Gym at 5pm to activate Kate's quest (Twisted Desire), Maxine shows up at the gym at 6pm with the prompt to talk about how many lights there are in the gym (which seemingly begins The Ley of the Land - though it doesn't actually show up as a quest guide afterwards). But she shouldn't, because presumably that is only supposed to happen after the scene with Lindsay falling, where you're forced to choose between her path or Maxine's.

So my theory is that Maxine's scene in the gym is triggering wrong, and if someone interacts with her there it screws up some of the flags in the code which creates the problem.


Incidentally, I also noticed two other minor glitches - first, being able to order the Pig Mask online (for Isabelle) before she ever asks for it, which seems to skip over her asking for it and thus bumps her directly to the next step in Dethroning the Queen (after Wicked Game ends).

And while I'm not sure whether or not it will actually cause a problem, I noticed you can pick up the Red Paint long before you need it for anything - I played for three hours and never got the quest it's part of, so I have no idea if it will eventually cause problems like the Pig Mask does. But Jacklyn will start to offer it up as a quest trigger before anyone tells you you need it (or why) in the story (I'm not 100% sure where it's supposed to start, but like the previous Maxine issue, I think it's triggering before it's supposed to).


For reference, this is version 1.31, but a game I started in an earlier version (the save I started from was last saved in version 1.10.2). No idea if that would cause the issues (or if they're universal as long as you meet the right trigger requirements).
 
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so, is there a way to save lindsey? i mean, i have blocked the "hearth" option, and im not sure what i was supposed to do to get that option available, what mission or decision did i or didnt i make to get that option?
 
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