Anyone else notice that the quailty of games decreasing?

[Crestrial]

Ah yes, I remember when quality porn games were constantly coming out on Newgrounds in like 2008. Now look, so awful! Back then there was never a large proportion of crap games!

 

[Deleted member 167032]

Maybe you are confusing Visual novel with games, meaning user input needed to navigate in multiple directions?
A Visual Novel can be a game, when by your choices takes you in a different path within the story.
You seem to be describing more Kinetic Novels than Visual Novels.

Believe me when I say, making an AVN takes a fuck ton of work and hours to do, for most of us.

I remember years ago, when games were TRUE GAMES, like simbro, breeding season, slave lord, witch girl, kasumi rebirth, etc. Nowadays, almost all the games are slideshows with beautiful renders and zero interaction with the user, literally you can "play them" only with ctrl button.

Now, call everything as "grindy" if it's not a slideshow, where you can push ctrl and get the porn scene... for that better go to pornhub or look for porn comics.

 

[Vengel]

Every time when I check the games section I start singing the chorus of this song from Judas Priest - Living after midnight ...
But with different lyrics:

Bullshit after bullshit,
Scamming like a boss

(and so on some mumbling ... and then the end)

I'm gone ... i'm gooone



Just look at the previews of this new NTL game > mediocre ... uninspired ... repetitive bullshit.
And that's a dude that have fanatics here thinking he is the SHIT!
His last 3 games are with the same already done structure as a backend ... the same quick 2.5D renders of slapped assets ...
the same generic looking characters completely lacking details ... the same low res renders with a lot of blurr ... and the same story over and over again ... badly written ... idiotic dialog ... dumb ass endings
So yeah ... a lot of quality right there!

 

[hakarlman]

Would be nice if there was one mega thread listing all the most common problems that plague adult games on f95zone; problems that cause their quality to decrease. Then all the ideas are sorted out and placed in the first post. Then when a new developer wants to share his game on f95zone, he gets a link to that post so he has the option to review all the data in it, in the hopes of ensuring his game reaches a high level of quality.

 

[Anonimed]

Maybe you are confusing Visual novel with games, meaning user input needed to navigate in multiple directions?
A Visual Novel can be a game, when by your choices takes you in a different path within the story.
You seem to be describing more Kinetic Novels than Visual Novels.

Believe me when I say, making an AVN takes a fuck ton of work and hours to do, for most of us.

That is the problem, the games now are only that, there is no gender variety, there is no gameplay. Those "choices" is more of an excuse nowadays that a game genre. A game can be a visual novel and still have an entertaining gameplay.

For example "Being a dick", has a very good plot, beautiful renders, and funny gameplay, is a visual novel, but still original and has gameplay, is that type of games that you can play without be horny.

"Lord King" is other visual novel with decisions that has a very entertaining management system, that literally I can play without think with my dick and without be horny. The game does not have wonderful renders, but still is very funny.

The others visual novels are almost the same thing, a loser (could be a teen or a father) that fucks his family and has a big dick, or a loser that by magic fucks everyone. The decisions? do you want to fuck this character yes or no?. There isn't relevant stats, manage systems, character improvement or fight controls.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

Anonimed I can go on a rant of because of this or that but that is just time wasting. I totally get what you saying.

You are correct and I knew you would bring up DocPink's game. Doc is a machine, works 24/7 on his game and is a very clever guy, i should know.
BUT you will only find a few DocPinks doing what we doing. Rest of us either making these Novels as a fun time, project or to make money to survive in the real world. We are really not game developers or writers or even artist to generalize.

Don't generalize the teenage boy fucking his mommy and sisters with many of the Novels/games here. There are many good story driven Novels that do have choices to be made to continue the game story. The Intoxicating Flavor, Reluctant Archon, Viz etc.. all great story driven with some degree of choices to be made.

Once again why i posted earlier, take the porn away from many of the Novels/games and what is left. BUT AVN's are 80% porn driven and 80% of the players here want to live in a second life where they can fuck hot women, easily without any negative feelings or actions and create romantic relationships with CG characters. It's fantasy and nothing wrong with that.

 

[Vengel]

That is the problem, the games now are only that, there is no gender variety, there is no gameplay. Those "choices" is more of an excuse nowadays that a game genre. A game can be a visual novel and still have an entertaining gameplay.

For example "Being a dick", has a very good plot, beautiful renders, and funny gameplay, is a visual novel, but still original and has gameplay, is that type of games that you can play without be horny.

"Lord King" is other visual novel with decisions that has a very entertaining management system, that literally I can play without think with my dick and without be horny. The game does not have wonderful renders, but still is very funny.

The others visual novels are almost the same thing, a loser (could be a teen or a father) that fucks his family and has a big dick, or a loser that by magic fucks everyone. The decisions? do you want to fuck this character yes or no?. There isn't relevant stats, manage systems, character improvement or fight controls.

Actually ... the problem is right here ... with people like you thinking Being a dick has a GOOD plot ... that points to lack of literacy It's the biggest writing mess since India started doing ACTION movies
Renders are flat as my ass ... he can't render for shit ...
btw. You have "strange" view on the subject of gameplay

 

[NeZKyMaN]

Perhaps, but what difference does it make?
Nobody's going to play that many games anyway, and I'm writing here about only good or very good titles.
I currently have 400-450 games on my hard drive that are considered good or very good (and the same amount of mediocre ones) and I don't even have time to process them all xD I currently collect new ones just for the sake of collecting, for some time now I've been completely ignoring the poor quality ones and even the mediocre ones, since even the top ones I don't have time to play them all.

I think the only person who can complain about the lack of games is someone who plays them regularly for many, many years, every occasional and new player has material for ages.

In other words, while the level may have dropped a little, if you dig a little deeper there are plenty of very solid, good or unique games that may interest you. About a year ago, I flipped through the whole "Games" list looking for the oldest ones and went through and downloaded all the ones that might be of interest to me - it took a few days, but now I've got a ton of it xD It's worse if some titles were exclusive here, because the last time I cleaned out my collection I noticed a lot of titles that aren't here anymore, usually Rule 7 and other nonsense ;-) but there are other places where you can find them.

 

[Anonimed]

You are correct and I knew you would bring up DocPink's game. Doc is a machine, works 24/7 on his game and is a very clever guy, i should know.
BUT you will only find a few DocPinks doing what we doing. Rest of us either making these Novels as a fun time, project or to make money to survive in the real world. We are really not game developers or writers or even artist to generalize.

That's why I put two examples, one is a triple AAA, the other, lord king, is a small game, with a lot of gameplay. I don't think that the fact that it is a hobby be an argument for lack of gameplay. Do you want more example with gameplay and without much support?

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I don't think that these devs live off their games, and even so, they make games with gameplay

Once again why i posted earlier, take the porn away from many of the Novels/games and what is left. BUT AVN's are 80% porn driven and 80% of the players here want to live in a second life where they can fuck hot women, easily without any negative feelings or actions and create romantic relationships with CG characters. It's fantasy and nothing wrong with that.

And why it has to be a "game"? There are other ways of make and consume porn, there are other ways to tell stories. Maybe separate VN without gameplay of games could be a solution.

 

[Klaabu]

Wicked Rouge by fidless only have 217 patreons? Sad suprise. Its a good game.

Sorry about my bad Engrish.

 

[AdventAnyx]

I don't think that these devs live off their games, and even so, they make games with gameplay

Everything above $500, and especially $1000 per month could be literally above the average paycheck in some countries. Just saying

 

[NeZKyMaN]

Everything above $500, and especially $1000 per month could be literally above the average paycheck in some countries. Just saying

Why are you referring to the average wage when most work for minimum wage. In my country, the national minimum is about $554 and the average is $978 per hand. And there are plenty of countries around with even lower. You know, not everyone lives in Germany, England, USA, Sweden, etc.

 

[AdventAnyx]

Why are you referring to the average wage when most work for minimum wage. In my country, the national minimum is about $554 and the average is $978 per hand. And there are plenty of countries around with even lower. You know, not everyone lives in Germany, England, USA, Sweden, etc.

Not sure why are you mad at me (at least this sounds aggressive), but this was exactly the point I was making. I'm from one of those too.
Just sounded weird to me when the guy said that people don't live off that amount (some of the Patreons he linked have $500+ and $1000+).

 

[Domiek]

I've used a denoiser to make a clean render so there's literally nothing else I can do to improve my game. Must be [market saturation, genre, timing, Bill Gates] holding me back.

It's true that there was less competition a few years ago so those devs had an easier time finding success. It's also true that there's still an incredible amount of improvements we can make rather than trying to surf a wave of novelty that's long gone.

 

[Deleted member 1536527]

That is the problem, the games now are only that, there is no gender variety, there is no gameplay. Those "choices" is more of an excuse nowadays that a game genre. A game can be a visual novel and still have an entertaining gameplay.

For example "Being a dick", has a very good plot, beautiful renders, and funny gameplay, is a visual novel, but still original and has gameplay, is that type of games that you can play without be horny.

"Lord King" is other visual novel with decisions that has a very entertaining management system, that literally I can play without think with my dick and without be horny. The game does not have wonderful renders, but still is very funny.

The others visual novels are almost the same thing, a loser (could be a teen or a father) that fucks his family and has a big dick, or a loser that by magic fucks everyone. The decisions? do you want to fuck this character yes or no?. There isn't relevant stats, manage systems, character improvement or fight controls.

So despite the popularity of those games I've never actually played them. So can you give some examples of what exactly you mean by gameplay. Like some examples of some mechanics in those games that you would consider gameplay.

Just so I can get a clear picture of what exactly entails "gameplay" when talking about visual novels.

EDIT: Oh and btw why tf would you want to play a porn game "without being horny". That makes zero sense to me. I've seen so many people make this comment before (People literally talking for pages and pages of how to make story/gameplay interesting etc. wtf, bitch find ways to make it more erotic if anything, People are not here to read a fucking novel or play farmsville or some shit with management). Play a normal game out there if you're not in the mood of diddling your dick atm. Every single thing in a porn games should be with the objective of "fucking" something (or for eroticism), no matter if its gameplay mechanic, a character, or some story element. Otherwise its just a vanilla game or VN, and doesn't belong here.

A harmful side effect of adding stuff just for gameplay value causes fluff, and grind, and shitty mini games that become annoying quickly. So tired of that shit.

 

[freebirdfreebird]

I’m not sure if the quality has gone down or not as much as it seems harder for anything to stick out. There’s a lot more people making stuff, and if you are like me, 3D CG Renpy games will leave you feeling burned pretty quick.

I also think the fact so many games are 1 person creations have an effect. Other than a hardcore few, you don’t see many teams anymore. I think that’s why I feel lost nowadays, I started with early Illusion stuff and games like Bonecraft, so seeing that nowadays there are so few true 3D games is a bummer, and the few that are around are... well modern Illusion, a small handful of strong indies, and whatever mess CM/COM3D2 is.

 

[おい！]

Why are you referring to the average wage when most work for minimum wage. In my country, the national minimum is about $554 and the average is $978 per hand. And there are plenty of countries around with even lower. You know, not everyone lives in Germany, England, USA, Sweden, etc.

$978 per hand? Which country are you from? I want to book a flight there now.

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[hiya02]

It feels like almost everybody wants to make their own game, and unfortunately many of them are just simple Crap'Py clicking simulators with the "default" plot of a missing/dead/etc father plus a 29 year old "landlady" and a mandatory bunch of 18-19 year old "roomies"

 

[Diconica]

Perhaps, but what difference does it make?
Nobody's going to play that many games anyway, and I'm writing here about only good or very good titles.
I currently have 400-450 games on my hard drive that are considered good or very good (and the same amount of mediocre ones) and I don't even have time to process them all xD I currently collect new ones just for the sake of collecting, for some time now I've been completely ignoring the poor quality ones and even the mediocre ones, since even the top ones I don't have time to play them all.

I think the only person who can complain about the lack of games is someone who plays them regularly for many, many years, every occasional and new player has material for ages.

In other words, while the level may have dropped a little, if you dig a little deeper there are plenty of very solid, good or unique games that may interest you. About a year ago, I flipped through the whole "Games" list looking for the oldest ones and went through and downloaded all the ones that might be of interest to me - it took a few days, but now I've got a ton of it xD It's worse if some titles were exclusive here, because the last time I cleaned out my collection I noticed a lot of titles that aren't here anymore, usually Rule 7 and other nonsense ;-) but there are other places where you can find them.

I understand your premise but I'll have to disagree.
You don't have to play the entirety of a game to see its quality. You can easily in many cases determine a game is pure crap.
I've never read a book or played a game that started out as crap that recovered from it.
There is a general reason for that. Authors that actually improve tend to go back and fix the games issues same with books.
Shitty lazy authors who are only interested in money aren't interested in doing so.

Also what one person thinks is a good game or book is subjective. There may be plenty of games still being made that meets your criteria as for a good game but it may not meet mine or another persons.

That said it could be the same percent. Because the number of games in total has increased your chance of having a much larger run without seeing a good game has increased. It doesn't work like a coin flip or dice role were you have the same chance each turn.

 

[ChaosOpen]

I don't think much has changed in terms of content of indie novels. There are just more of them due to how readily available the resources are, after all, I believe that just because one lacks the technical skill to create complex gameplay mechanics doesn't mean they can't tell a compelling narrative.

However, there is one big change: the amount of content at release. There are a HUGE amount of v0.1 games with 10-15 minutes of content and a patreon link.