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Most devs simply burn out even when they are praised. maybe luxee just got tired of doing the game and that's it's.
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I wouldn't say Nea is my favourite, but she's definitely great. I love most of the main cast and LIs in this.
Shame Luxee had to deal with dickheads. I'm weirdly wired so if a bunch of fuckwits harangued me to remove a character from my work, I'd either ignore them entirely or focus more specifically on that character just to spite them. Negative comments actually fuel my creative process more than positive ones. Lol.
For a group of supposed adults, this lot do love to behave like children a lot of the time. In the fanfic space, the most commonly repeated mantra is Don't Like, Don't Read. This game is tagged as containing trans content, I have heard that Luxee always said their next game was going to be about trans content, and yet people who hate trans content keep playing it and complaining.
Grow up ffs. Learn to read and accept the consequences of your decisions. If I seek out content I dislike and then find that I don't like it, I don't rag on the author for making it. I just go 'yep, that's why I don't like that' in my head and move on with my life. Unless a thing is improperly tagged to bait folks into playing it for the sake of shocking them with stuff they hate, the decision to play a thing is entirely on the player. Not the creator.
People should try taking responsibility for their own actions for a change. Even if Luxee was just milking folks like some occasionally claim, the answer to that is simple too. Just don't give them your money if you don't think it's worth it. You're supposed to be grown adults. If you can't be trusted to make sensible decisions with your money, that's your problem. The amount of fucking stupid in some of these game threads is just off the charts.
Read the tags, be a grown up and walk away from things you don't like. Don't 'slog' through coz they made something you liked before. Or because it contains something you do like and then bitch coz there wasn't enough of the good thing and too much of the bad. If it's tagged, it's your own fault. End of story.
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Hopefully in a few updates we will have sex with her. Glad to see you're a fan as well.
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damn. even in the discord dev has disappeared. the game is good as dead.
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Sad fucking times this will be by far my favorite girl in VN
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There is many games with no trans character, in fact that's the case of an immense majority of the games out there. Why bigots can't just play those and shut up? What is even more hypocritical is those guys are always whining about a supposed cancel culture when they are in fact themselves bullying everyone who is different from them into silence.
I'm a trans woman myself: that's nice once in a while to play a game where there is someone like me. If i had any talent at making art, i would also probably try to create some. Representation matter, if there is 1% of trans people out there that's just fair that at least 1% of game have major trans characters and we are far from it, even here in f95 and even including the japanese futa stuff.
The dev obviously know a lot about transidentity and what hell life we live because of a loud minority of bullies. Nea is really well written, the events are totally believable. We need more quality games like this one.
I'm a trans woman myself: that's nice once in a while to play a game where there is someone like me. If i had any talent at making art, i would also probably try to create some. Representation matter, if there is 1% of trans people out there that's just fair that at least 1% of game have major trans characters and we are far from it, even here in f95 and even including the japanese futa stuff.
The dev obviously know a lot about transidentity and what hell life we live because of a loud minority of bullies. Nea is really well written, the events are totally believable. We need more quality games like this one.
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I think it's a good thing that I am not a dev because I think if I were in Luxee's place I would've made even more Nea content, just to piss them off.
It would be nice to organize a support group for devs doing those kind of games (LGBT+ but also loli and/or incest) so that they don't face those bullies raid alone.
With how the world is and the people that fill it, I doubt we'll have/get many more games like this.
Then they would win. They made you so angry or bothered, that now you're focusing your time/energy on making stuff just to piss off the people that rubbed you the wrong way. Two-Face once said "Don't give in"
Luxee, sorry for all of the drama you had to deal with. So much drama that it made you get up and abandon this... I really did hope to see it finished one day...
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Yeah that is why I said it's a good thing that I am not a dev. Also the game is not really abandoned, as far as I know luxee is still working on the game. It just got the abandoned tag because luxee hasn't made any posts on patreon or subscribestar for over 3 months. It's just a rule from the forum.
Yeah i look at the dev website, they don't say the game is abandoned or anything.
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Honestly, if it weren't for those idiots I would have never known this game.
those guys keep trying to downplay this game by leaving mean comments, stupid reviews, etc... but what they haven't realized is by doing so, they're attracting more eyes toward this game. more eyes mean more fans, and more fans mean more supporters.
those guys will never stop being transphobic, so might as well use their stupidity for something useful.
I wish Luxee would see them as less of a bullying and more as a free advertisement agency.
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I won't say there were no people bashing the dev, but from what I saw, the majority of people - at least here, and some other places - liked Nea, but not in a game that is impossible to progress without being a harem game. That Nea was written in a way that, if it was revealed that MC was essentially building a harem with anyone he could stick his dick in, while Nea thinks she found "the one," Nea just "going along with it" would make absolutely zero sense.
Most of these people say they'd like a game that was strictly about Nea, but not in a harem game, and these people were still called "-phobes" and "-ists" or "bigots," at least by other fans of the game. I believe the dev went off the rails about it as well a few times, but this was probably 2+ years ago at this point. A lot of people lost respect for the dev - along with interest in the game - because of getting this response for liking a character that's written somewhat realistically, in a game that has zero sense of realism outside of that character.
It's kind of ironic, tbh.
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There a quite a lot of games that feature trans-characters, and I don't think that more that a handful of them receives amount of hatred&bigotry that this game (allegedly) gets. Which means that either the whole conflict is overblown, or the problem lies in something other than simply "Look, there's a trans-character in this game! Let's hate it!!!"
Let's just admit that such people exist on the both sides of the fence.
The gamemaking (as well as many other things, if you think about it) is more about "experience", rather than "talent". If you have a desire to make something, just try it - coding is very newbie-friendly these days and free engines are free.
I don't know much about trans-identity, or how realistic Nea's character is, and while I like her as a character, there's a certain point in her route that makes said route absolutely revolting for me (call me a bigot, if you want, but there's that). So, the main plotline of Nea's route is MC acting as a white-knight for acceptance of Nea's trans-identity, raging whenever somebody misgenders her and refuses to see her as a woman, jumping at them and demaning from them to change their views, and overall acting very supportive of Nea being a trans-woman. A bit too political for me, but whatever, it's a matter of taste. The point it makes is that MC is presented as a very trans-accepting person. Remember that. Now there's another plotline in her route and that is "MC's inner thoughts and his feelings for Nea". And here is where that problem lies. MC, who is normally portrayed as a literal manwhore (in one scene he literally pees at the face of some random girl he never saw before, without mentioning the fact of him fucking his entire family), who goes for every woman he sees (and yeah, you could say that it's a sandbox game and there are different routes, except that in order to progress in some routes you actually MUST progress in others, which means that all of them are connected in one storyline), but in case with Nea he SUDDENLY gets very careful with how he sees her - very careful to see her only as a friend and not be attracted to her - at one point literally says something like "Wait, did I just thought that Nea is cute? That doesn't makes me gay, does it?". And at this point the entire main plotline with MC being Nea's white knight turns into an extremely revolting hypocrisy, because the enitre time that he advocates for her being a trans-woman and forcing other to accept it, he himself doesn't actually sees her as a woman.
Now, how to make it all less disgusting? Easy - just flush down the toilet that entire subplot and replace it with something like "Manwhore MC know who he is and is afraid to hurt Nea's feeling so he ignores her feeling and keeps his distance, until he finally realizes that by doing so he already hurts her feelings". That at least would make sense with relation to the route's main plotine. Or, if the "I'm not gay, am I?" is so important, just change Nea from trans-woman to an effeminate gay guy. The story would retain its conflict points (bigot who screams "gay", bigot dad, woman's clothing as a crossdressing fetish), although it would lose the trans-ideas, which would obviously upset some people.
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The MC initially don't even know Nea is trans. He just defend her because she's victim of bullying and he doesn't like that, also he's new here and want friends (eventually with benefits). The MC is supposed to be a former victim of bullying himself.
That part is kinda realistic too. He starts to see her a bit differently when he learns she's trans but at least he keeps saying Nea and using feminine pronums. The guy initially know nothing about transidentity. He changes by educated himself a bit and on contact with Nea. Most people out there are influenced by all the conservative propaganda about transidentity, gender and sex. That's really hard and long to deconstruct all that brainwashing, even about someone you like (in fact even when you're trans yourself).
Many people have those internal conflict, even some trans people around other trans. You can be the best trans woman advocate and don't like dick (please note not all trans women have dick too, maybe Nea would do the genital surgery some day). Attraction and love isn't something fully rational.
But i agree on the critic about Nea plot not working well with the harem stuff.
That part is kinda realistic too. He starts to see her a bit differently when he learns she's trans but at least he keeps saying Nea and using feminine pronums. The guy initially know nothing about transidentity. He changes by educated himself a bit and on contact with Nea. Most people out there are influenced by all the conservative propaganda about transidentity, gender and sex. That's really hard and long to deconstruct all that brainwashing, even about someone you like (in fact even when you're trans yourself).
Many people have those internal conflict, even some trans people around other trans. You can be the best trans woman advocate and don't like dick (please note not all trans women have dick too, maybe Nea would do the genital surgery some day). Attraction and love isn't something fully rational.
But i agree on the critic about Nea plot not working well with the harem stuff.
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Yes, he doesn't know that from the start, but upon learning about Nea being trans-person (which happens pretty early in her route) he immediately becomes very supportive of her, which makes it seem as if he etiher doesn't care about stereotypes and rumors or haven't heard about any of them before; to the point of not caring if talking to her harms his reputation (since she's basically a pariah). The "I'm not gay, am I?" moment happens much later in the story (without mentioning the fact that throughout the entire story, until the very end, in his inner monologues he actively refuses every notion of finding her cute/attractive), which is AFTER MC repeating many times to the bigots and Nea herself that she's an absolutely normal girl and there's nothing wrong with her. It would've been logical if he was confused upon learning about her being a trans-person, but throughout the story would've come to accept and support her. So again, it all comes down to the very mismatched external/internal plots of Nea's route.
Also, I don't live in US and don't care about its politics, so I might be mistaken on that, but from what I remember, this game takes place in Illinois, which is supposed to be pretty "liberal" state? Is it logical that literally everybody in Nea's life (except MC and his family) are "conservative" bigots? Again, I have no idea of how it works irl, but didn't she received some transitioning help from some internet group? And there was nobody who wanted to support her later on? Although in any case that might be too much logic to ask from a porn game, so whatever.
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I find this mismatch to honestly be very in-line with reality. Your first thought when being supportive of someone and their life after finding them attractive isn't "does this make me gay," but rather a total denial you could find them attractive because of their circumstances. After this first reality is hurdled, coming to terms with you finding them attractive and could see yourself liking/dating/loving them, then comes the tackling of your own sexual preferences. This was my experience when I was exposed to the world of trans-people and my first trans girlfriend. I came to conclude the the labels largely didn't matter to me, but rather the person I liked was the important factor. Whether someone else outside of our relationship found that to be gay or straight was irrelevant to me. It's why when someone asks my preference I usually answer with Pansexual. The person matters much more than their genitalia, for me.
The city of Chicago is very liberal, the state as a whole however is more conservative. This is actually very commonplace in the US, where city centers sway heavily to democratic/liberal, and the surrounding areas are republican/conservative (See Austin, Houston and Dallas, TX and Texas as a whole).
Given the map seems within a rural/suburban part of Illinois (just based off the map and layout) it'd be pretty safe to assume you'd have a fair mix of both types of people within the game map. Again following the outline I layed out above, the city area would have more liberal-minded people within it, and where Nea resides (more rural, denoted by the larger yards, houses and overall space) would have more conservatives. Depending on where the school actually is in physical relation to the city vs the rural areas of the game map, it'd be safe to say that it probably resides more in the rural area, and would not have much support for someone such as Nea.
I don't disagree with this sentiment, but for a game to be good, not just a porn game but any, it's scenes and scenarios have to make sense. Largely I feel Luxee has done an outstanding job in not only making the characters and MC within their story feel like people, but the environment which they are in resulting in these types of characters.
I hope that Luxee does eventually continue this story and that the thought and care they have put into this thus far continues to have lots of quality. I check in regularly to see if an update does occur, and I will continue to do so.