Ren'Py Apartment #69 [v0.08] [Luxee]

[Blaisdale]

Unfortunately some developers haven't learned to switch off when it comes to harassment/shit talk, which they need to learn to do when it comes to making AVN's, and given the fact Luxee has been around as long as they have, I thought they would have learned by now, but guess not.
I'm really hoping this game will pick up though, as if we can only expect 2 scenes every 12 months I think the game will just die off, and that would be a shame.

So true.
I've seen some who cant take any kind of comment that doesn't adhere to their ego.

I can understand Luxee to some degree though.
If memory serves me right (which lately it does not) He wanted to #69 more so than PL.
Took a vote to it to see what people wanted and PL won by a landslide.

So for a long time he had this on the back burner on his mind, I believe he also stated he actually found ways to improve how it was.

I can easily understand why he would take it personal.
Sadly when it comes to Trans/dickgirl/ladyboys etc... People just cant deal with it, even if its avoidable.
This place is toxic for people, needing to be negative because that is in there.

I cant recall how many times, I've read people claiming it ruins a game because 1 avoidable person kills it all.
Even one game I played, a person claimed knowing there was going to be 1 trans person in it and wouldn't be exposed till later,
they went on a tangent about how all models were ugly now and how they couldn't play it.

Because of that, I feel sorry for Luxee, I really do.
Specially since I believe he put a lot into Nea.

 

[Rutonat]

Unfortunately some developers haven't learned to switch off when it comes to harassment/shit talk, which they need to learn to do when it comes to making AVN's, and given the fact Luxee has been around as long as they have, I thought they would have learned by now, but guess not.
I'm really hoping this game will pick up though, as if we can only expect 2 scenes every 12 months I think the game will just die off, and that would be a shame.

Feel free to unzatch the thread and find a better game then. Nobody forces you to stay here.
And I'm saying that with no animosity whatsoever. But there seem to be way too many people acting like they have to keep following games they dislike until they are abandonned. And then keep following anyway to just complain.
I don't understand what's so difficult about just... moving on.

I can understand Luxee to some degree though.
If memory serves me right (which lately it does not) He wanted to #69 more so than PL.
Took a vote to it to see what people wanted and PL won by a landslide.

They put a vote between focusing on this one or finishing what they wanted to add to PL. The former won, so they doubled down to finish remaking some old scenes and adding a few new ones that had not made the cut.
Which, arguably, is a smart move : once your previous project is all done and you are through with what you regreted not adding or thought you could have done better, that's that much less to keep distracting you from a new project.

Also they did mention that A69 was a new style they had no experience in (that being a more sandboxey style). Which was one of the reasons they made the game how it is : to depart from the linear that was PL and try to learn something different.

I can easily understand why he would take it personal.
Sadly when it comes to Trans/dickgirl/ladyboys etc... People just cant deal with it, even if its avoidable.
This place is toxic for people, needing to be negative because that is in there.

For some reason, though, transphobes seemed to be even worse on this game than others. I have no idea why. But from what I gathered, Luxee was harassed worse than many other devs.

I cant recall how many times, I've read people claiming it ruins a game because 1 avoidable person kills it all.
Even one game I played, a person claimed knowing there was going to be 1 trans person in it and wouldn't be exposed till later,
they went on a tangent about how all models were ugly now and how they couldn't play it.

Complaining for the sake of entitlement. Most of the time, those are people that aren't even supporting the game and still act like they can make demands to the devs like they are slaves to the playerbase...
The amateur porn game market really went tits up. People don't understand that they have no say in a project unless they are explicitely investors. And patrons aren't investors, they aren't forced to pay, they chose to tip the devs to help them.
But whatever. People will keep being stupid anyway.

 

[Deleted member 6087941]

It's not avoidable at all, and that's my biggest gripe with this game; if you skip/ignore it, you automatically wind up in a relationship, one that I sure as hell don't fucking want, that's why I turn her, well, him, into a flightless bird and get rid of the problem myself.

...look out below.......SPLAT

problem solved...now I can concentrate on the *girls* that I *want* and not the "girl" that I'm ***FORCED*** to be with

 

[Hellster]

Feel free to unzatch the thread and find a better game then. Nobody forces you to stay here.
And I'm saying that with no animosity whatsoever. But there seem to be way too many people acting like they have to keep following games they dislike until they are abandonned. And then keep following anyway to just complain.
I don't understand what's so difficult about just... moving on.

Where did I say I disliked the game ? I think you're reading things that aren't there and/or trying to put words in to someone else's mouth that they didn't say.
It was merely my observations/opinion on the matter, so lighten up dude.

 

[Corambis]

I don't see any reason for needless insults.

So use the skip feature.
Nea at this point has little content, specially if you avoid Nea which you can, just do not use the memory feature for Nea.
Or does that cause an issue, because you avoid access that memory?

Yes Nea at the start is kinda thrown at you, however you don't see Nea naked till later.
So Nea nude is not thrown in your face and you can avoid the memory and just do other people.
I don't see why people should be offended because of talking to someone but the sexual or nude image can be avoided.
Just dont treat Nea good.

I don't see the big deal with using the skip feature.
I play games with NTR in it, which I hate but the skip feature works wonders.
Also love the skip feature for superhuman because those battle scenes are so damn long lol.

Personally, I won't play any games with NTR unless I can confirm that the NTR is either easily avoidable, or at worst is the penalty for poor choices. Pretty much any game that I've played with optional trans content has given you a pretty straightforward message to tell you "This is where you opt out of trans content". They also don't tie them into decisions, like saving Nea from bullying, which a lot of people, myself included, could not in clear conscience abandon her on. We ended up helping Nea, being a friend, etc. And then suddenly she's in our bathroom masturbating to our underwear. Only then do you get another vague question about how you feel about Nea, with the penalty for the "wrong" answer being Nea's suicide. It's a bit like asking if you want to avoid incest content while your sister is sucking your cock. That branch needs to come much sooner.

Just because you fast forward through something, or it happens offscreen doesn't always get rid of it's impact. Nea's death is just alluded to, but it had its impact on people. At the same time, knowing that sexual stuff is going on, even if the screen fades to black or you fast forward through the scene has it's impact as well. Out of sight is not out of mind. There might as well be a scene where some guy rapes one of the MC's sisters, but you can fast forward through it and it doesn't actually affect her story at all. It still couldn't be ignored by many, especially people that immerse themselves in the story. Just because you can tune it out doesn't mean others can. And really, as the dev and as the person who said that Nea's content would be avoidable, it was up to Luxee to structure this better. There shouldn't really be any surprise that the controversial optional content causes controversy, especially when it's not as optional as people expected. It's optional in the same sense that pepperoni pizza is vegan if you pick the meat and cheese off. But it's not a very good nor complete pizza.

 

[Spider-Venom]

I don't see any reason for needless insults.

So use the skip feature.
Nea at this point has little content, specially if you avoid Nea which you can, just do not use the memory feature for Nea.
Or does that cause an issue, because you avoid access that memory?

Yes Nea at the start is kinda thrown at you, however you don't see Nea naked till later.
So Nea nude is not thrown in your face and you can avoid the memory and just do other people.
I don't see why people should be offended because of talking to someone but the sexual or nude image can be avoided.
Just dont treat Nea good.

I don't see the big deal with using the skip feature.
I play games with NTR in it, which I hate but the skip feature works wonders.
Also love the skip feature for superhuman because those battle scenes are so damn long lol.

people would be better off if they gave it a chance... as I did.

 

[tyrannicpuppy]

I just don't get it. The game has the trans tag. If you don't like trans content, don't play the game. Instead, people actively play games with shit they hate in it and then get pissy that it has that thing in it.

Why should the dev give a fuck if you don't like a thing in their game that is clearly tagged as being in the game? It's their story, their time and their effort going into making it. They can make whatever they like. And we are free to ignore it if it isn't our cup of tea.

There seem to be several tags that just attract lunatics who seem to need to complain about the existence of the content of that tag existing anywhere. NTR for example. Just about every thread I open has someone moaning about how 'this game better not add NTR'. As if complaining about it everywhere they possibly can will somehow force it out of existence entirely.

Just baffles me.

 

[FormerlyknownasOlheden]

I just don't get it. The game has the trans tag. If you don't like trans content, don't play the game. Instead, people actively play games with shit they hate in it and then get pissy that it has that thing in it.

Why should the dev give a fuck if you don't like a thing in their game that is clearly tagged as being in the game? It's their story, their time and their effort going into making it. They can make whatever they like. And we are free to ignore it if it isn't our cup of tea.

There seem to be several tags that just attract lunatics who seem to need to complain about the existence of the content of that tag existing anywhere. NTR for example. Just about every thread I open has someone moaning about how 'this game better not add NTR'. As if complaining about it everywhere they possibly can will somehow force it out of existence entirely.

Just baffles me.

Word.

 

[tyrannicpuppy]

Do you know that if you go the route where you don't turn the trans content off, you can choose, when the time comes, not to have any romance or sex scenes with the trans LI?.

I wouldn't have played the game to begin with if I wasn't fine with there being trans content. Given the fact it clearly states on the first page of the thread that there is trans content in the game.

If a game has content I don't enjoy, I don't waste my time downloading it so that I can then bitch about that content being in it later on. I just pick something else and play that instead. It's not like there is a shortage of content on this site alone.

I don't expect a dev to cater wholely and solely to my personal preferences. I expect them to make what they wanna make and for me to evaluate whether I want to engage with that content using my own common sense. Even if they've made something I adored in the past.

Just because they made one thing I enjoyed doesn't then force them to make more shit I like in perpetuity. Nor give me any right to be angry at them if they don't make more stuff I want or make something I hate.

 

[SerafinO]

can someone share their saving of the game? don't ignore it, please help!

 

[balvenie1401]

can someone share their saving of the game? don't ignore it, please help!

Saves of what exactly? The whole game is barely 10mins as it sits, just play it already

 

[Spider-Venom]

I wouldn't have played the game to begin with if I wasn't fine with there being trans content. Given the fact it clearly states on the first page of the thread that there is trans content in the game.

If a game has content I don't enjoy, I don't waste my time downloading it so that I can then bitch about that content being in it later on. I just pick something else and play that instead. It's not like there is a shortage of content on this site alone.

I don't expect a dev to cater wholely and solely to my personal preferences. I expect them to make what they wanna make and for me to evaluate whether I want to engage with that content using my own common sense. Even if they've made something I adored in the past.

Just because they made one thing I enjoyed doesn't then force them to make more shit I like in perpetuity. Nor give me any right to be angry at them if they don't make more stuff I want or make something I hate.

I'm just glad that I've become more confident in my heterosexuality... but, then... I was never this bad.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I wouldn't have played the game to begin with if I wasn't fine with there being trans content. Given the fact it clearly states on the first page of the thread that there is trans content in the game.

If a game has content I don't enjoy, I don't waste my time downloading it so that I can then bitch about that content being in it later on. I just pick something else and play that instead. It's not like there is a shortage of content on this site alone.

I don't expect a dev to cater wholely and solely to my personal preferences. I expect them to make what they wanna make and for me to evaluate whether I want to engage with that content using my own common sense. Even if they've made something I adored in the past.

Just because they made one thing I enjoyed doesn't then force them to make more shit I like in perpetuity. Nor give me any right to be angry at them if they don't make more stuff I want or make something I hate.

I play many (almost all) games with content I don't like, as long as it's avoidable. And in this game it's avoidable to have romance and sex scenes with Nea, so I don't see the reason for not being able to play this game. In fact, I've played Nea's route up to the point where you decide if you want to romance her or not. There I have said no, with the consequences discussed in previous pages.

 

[Blaisdale]

Personally, I won't play any games with NTR unless I can confirm that the NTR is either easily avoidable, or at worst is the penalty for poor choices. Pretty much any game that I've played with optional trans content has given you a pretty straightforward message to tell you "This is where you opt out of trans content". They also don't tie them into decisions, like saving Nea from bullying, which a lot of people, myself included, could not in clear conscience abandon her on. We ended up helping Nea, being a friend, etc. And then suddenly she's in our bathroom masturbating to our underwear. Only then do you get another vague question about how you feel about Nea, with the penalty for the "wrong" answer being Nea's suicide. It's a bit like asking if you want to avoid incest content while your sister is sucking your cock. That branch needs to come much sooner.

Just because you fast forward through something, or it happens offscreen doesn't always get rid of it's impact. Nea's death is just alluded to, but it had its impact on people. At the same time, knowing that sexual stuff is going on, even if the screen fades to black or you fast forward through the scene has it's impact as well. Out of sight is not out of mind. There might as well be a scene where some guy rapes one of the MC's sisters, but you can fast forward through it and it doesn't actually affect her story at all. It still couldn't be ignored by many, especially people that immerse themselves in the story. Just because you can tune it out doesn't mean others can. And really, as the dev and as the person who said that Nea's content would be avoidable, it was up to Luxee to structure this better. There shouldn't really be any surprise that the controversial optional content causes controversy, especially when it's not as optional as people expected. It's optional in the same sense that pepperoni pizza is vegan if you pick the meat and cheese off. But it's not a very good nor complete pizza.

As for NTR , its rough. If I read the thread and it sounds like a good plot.
I give it a try and skip through unwanted parts.

However. I like consequence for your actions, so the fact if you choose to avoid or not pay attention to Nea,
She takes her own life, that to me is a pro, not a con.
I like the idea of your choice can have a consequence.

Lets also keep in mind this game is still in the building stage, Luxee has changed a few things as it is.
The change of making trans content actually fully avoidable could still come.
Before we completely condemn Luxee lets wait till its finished on that.
However I do give you that point it "should" have been put in earlier but it still may come yet.
(I'll fully admit, I thought it was avoidable but I am with you on it probably not coming, since it not being here now is a bad sign.
but I dont want to jump the gun on that.)

As for Nea's suicide , I like that consequence.
Adds a bit or realistic element to it. Some going through all of what Nea is going through.
Bullying , overly controlling family, no real friends to connect with.
Having her take her own life, actually seems closer to home with people like Nea, when you are that alone it happens,
specially with those kinda struggles.

Games having an impact on people is a good thing.
Games should not hand hold you.
I have never been a fan of "The M.C. must do everything". I like other characters doing things to you in a game.
Then you get to find out who did it or even in the process of trying to find out, you can make yourself look like a fool.
Red Falls as an example - getting head in the woods, got to figure out who did it.
I like that other people do things to you and a story can move forward with others as well, rather than just the M.C.'s choices alone.

I actually like Nea, so I never knew about the death till reading it here.
Which I will be going back and taking a look at because of curiosity.
What you said about fast forwarding not making things not happen.
Great point. One I agree with, doesn't mean I wanna watch a wife bang someone else and read each thing going on.
However Like Doctor Amana (I think I got that right?)
I liked the idea you cheat on your wife, she will cheat back and there be consequence of that action.
Just because I don't want to see it or read it. Doesn't mean I don't like the outcome that may have on the story.

I like how in that game you get the option to tell her, she gets out of the hot tub and you are left there.
Not a fan that all my actions should have a positive or no consequence reaction.
I like bad reactions to give it a good feel to it.
With that being said, I still love games like SpaceCrops where its all just humor and the game just totally messes with you regardless. That game keeps me laughing

Bringing morality into a game because Nea killed herself by "her own actions" means,
you have to apply that logic some where else as well.
Ever play a game where you murder people!? You then need to justify slaughtering thousands of people.
Believe you are the good guy? Who says?

Divinity 2: Dragon Knight Saga. The game tells you the whole time people see everything wrong.
Tries to teach you, how the order you were under, lied to you.

The whole time you have a woman in your head talking to you, even at times pushing you to do good deeds and
bitching your ass out when you do wrong thing. Kill an innocent person she gets upset.
Even questions when you kill a man soul linked to a chicken. So if either dies they both die.
Stating "I am not sure if it was the wrong thing to do or maybe mercy"
- keep in mind the guy was also acting like a chicken.
Kill too many bunnies and the killer bunny comes after you (Monty Python reference),
she laughs at you and says "you had it coming"

You have a mentor who orders 3 people kill you, wont even give you the time of day, because of events that just happened.
She tells them to kill the betrayer.
From that point on that voice in your head turns more into a mentor. Often explaining things or down right teasing you.
However she seems to guide the player in a positive way.
Near the end of the game you run into your older mentor, upon seeing you she demands your head.
Even though at the time your goals were the same, she comes across so unhinged, it makes you further question this order.
Specially since if you the player remembers at the beginning they were talking about the dragons they slaughtered and
how good it felt and needing to kill this last dragon that was spotted.

They put her (old mentor) behind bars which you can visit her and all she does is bitch at you.
When you get to the end, the bad guy had been poisoning the air, slaughter countless people.
Been tossing you idle threats stating what he would do to you and saying just go now, run away.
Once you beat him you find out, he was soul linked to his dead wife.
As long as he was alive his "extremely evil" wife stays dead.

Then the voice in your head begins to mock you for unknowingly being her champion all this time.

Stories are just stories.
I wont apply a moral compass to a game I'm intended to enjoy.
In almost every game by any standard, I'm doing something wrong.
Hell I love GTA.
Murder , theft , beating up hookers, flipping off cops or that player who is trying to shot me lol.

I'm more invested in my character when I play a game.
Sister gets raped, maybe there is good story-line behind it.
Hell I play shattered, I cant recall her name now (I think isis but probably wrong) but if you choose to go to the slums with her, seems like your helping her out.
either way , your best friend ends up in a cage probably raped too.

Either way doesn't change the fact, I'd rather not go to the slums.
You end up in a cage too being treated like a dog.
so fuck her, I'd rather have my own freedom.

That's a consequence, I know I would like to see those people in the slums.
But fuck that shit, locked in a cage, treated like a dog, even though really its only a few days,
I get the option to not go, so fuck her.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

As for NTR , its rough. If I read the thread and it sounds like a good plot.
I give it a try and skip through unwanted parts.

If a game has unavoidable NTR, I don't play it, I don't give a shit if the plot is interesting. I'm not going to play it under any circumstances.

If a game has avoidable NTR, I want to know in advance how to avoid it.

However. I like consequence for your actions, so the fact if you choose to avoid or not pay attention to Nea,
She takes her own life, that to me is a pro, not a con.
I like the idea of your choice can have a consequence.

Personally, while Nea's story was interesting, having to choose between her having a romance with the MC and her jumping off the roof, I choose without hesitation the latter, which is actually the option I'm currently playing.

As for Nea's suicide , I like that consequence.
Adds a bit or realistic element to it. Some going through all of what Nea is going through.
Bullying , overly controlling family, no real friends to connect with.
Having her take her own life, actually seems closer to home with people like Nea, when you are that alone it happens,
specially with those kinda struggles.

The only consequence that interests me of this option is that choosing it, there will be no sex scenes of Nea.

 

[Rutonat]

I just don't get it. The game has the trans tag. If you don't like trans content, don't play the game. Instead, people actively play games with shit they hate in it and then get pissy that it has that thing in it.

Why should the dev give a fuck if you don't like a thing in their game that is clearly tagged as being in the game? It's their story, their time and their effort going into making it. They can make whatever they like. And we are free to ignore it if it isn't our cup of tea.

There seem to be several tags that just attract lunatics who seem to need to complain about the existence of the content of that tag existing anywhere. NTR for example. Just about every thread I open has someone moaning about how 'this game better not add NTR'. As if complaining about it everywhere they possibly can will somehow force it out of existence entirely.

Just baffles me.

Because people like to act entitled and throw a tamper tantrum because the game has content they want removed, despite it being clearly advertised beforehand. You have no idae how often I've seen it on this site alone. Trying to reason those people is a waste of time, you'd have a more productive day watching paint dry. And at least you'd avoid the headache.

I'm just glad that I've become more confident in my heterosexuality... but, then... I was never this bad.

If you think being with a trans girl is being gay, your heterosexuality is far more fragile than you like to pretend. The fact she's pre-op doesn't change that she's not a dude.

As for NTR , its rough. If I read the thread and it sounds like a good plot.
I give it a try and skip through unwanted parts.

However. I like consequence for your actions, so the fact if you choose to avoid or not pay attention to Nea,
She takes her own life, that to me is a pro, not a con.
I like the idea of your choice can have a consequence.

Lets also keep in mind this game is still in the building stage, Luxee has changed a few things as it is.
The change of making trans content actually fully avoidable could still come.
Before we completely condemn Luxee lets wait till its finished on that.
However I do give you that point it "should" have been put in earlier but it still may come yet.
(I'll fully admit, I thought it was avoidable but I am with you on it probably not coming, since it not being here now is a bad sign.
but I dont want to jump the gun on that.)

As for Nea's suicide , I like that consequence.
Adds a bit or realistic element to it. Some going through all of what Nea is going through.
Bullying , overly controlling family, no real friends to connect with.
Having her take her own life, actually seems closer to home with people like Nea, when you are that alone it happens,
specially with those kinda struggles.

Games having an impact on people is a good thing.
Games should not hand hold you.
I have never been a fan of "The M.C. must do everything". I like other characters doing things to you in a game.
Then you get to find out who did it or even in the process of trying to find out, you can make yourself look like a fool.
Red Falls as an example - getting head in the woods, got to figure out who did it.
I like that other people do things to you and a story can move forward with others as well, rather than just the M.C.'s choices alone.

I actually like Nea, so I never knew about the death till reading it here.
Which I will be going back and taking a look at because of curiosity.
What you said about fast forwarding not making things not happen.
Great point. One I agree with, doesn't mean I wanna watch a wife bang someone else and read each thing going on.
However Like Doctor Amana (I think I got that right?)
I liked the idea you cheat on your wife, she will cheat back and there be consequence of that action.
Just because I don't want to see it or read it. Doesn't mean I don't like the outcome that may have on the story.

I like how in that game you get the option to tell her, she gets out of the hot tub and you are left there.
Not a fan that all my actions should have a positive or no consequence reaction.
I like bad reactions to give it a good feel to it.
With that being said, I still love games like SpaceCrops where its all just humor and the game just totally messes with you regardless. That game keeps me laughing

Bringing morality into a game because Nea killed herself by "her own actions" means,
you have to apply that logic some where else as well.
Ever play a game where you murder people!? You then need to justify slaughtering thousands of people.
Believe you are the good guy? Who says?

Divinity 2: Dragon Knight Saga. The game tells you the whole time people see everything wrong.
Tries to teach you, how the order you were under, lied to you.

The whole time you have a woman in your head talking to you, even at times pushing you to do good deeds and
bitching your ass out when you do wrong thing. Kill an innocent person she gets upset.
Even questions when you kill a man soul linked to a chicken. So if either dies they both die.
Stating "I am not sure if it was the wrong thing to do or maybe mercy"
- keep in mind the guy was also acting like a chicken.
Kill too many bunnies and the killer bunny comes after you (Monty Python reference),
she laughs at you and says "you had it coming"

You have a mentor who orders 3 people kill you, wont even give you the time of day, because of events that just happened.
She tells them to kill the betrayer.
From that point on that voice in your head turns more into a mentor. Often explaining things or down right teasing you.
However she seems to guide the player in a positive way.
Near the end of the game you run into your older mentor, upon seeing you she demands your head.
Even though at the time your goals were the same, she comes across so unhinged, it makes you further question this order.
Specially since if you the player remembers at the beginning they were talking about the dragons they slaughtered and
how good it felt and needing to kill this last dragon that was spotted.

They put her (old mentor) behind bars which you can visit her and all she does is bitch at you.
When you get to the end, the bad guy had been poisoning the air, slaughter countless people.
Been tossing you idle threats stating what he would do to you and saying just go now, run away.
Once you beat him you find out, he was soul linked to his dead wife.
As long as he was alive his "extremely evil" wife stays dead.

Then the voice in your head begins to mock you for unknowingly being her champion all this time.

Stories are just stories.
I wont apply a moral compass to a game I'm intended to enjoy.
In almost every game by any standard, I'm doing something wrong.
Hell I love GTA.
Murder , theft , beating up hookers, flipping off cops or that player who is trying to shot me lol.

I'm more invested in my character when I play a game.
Sister gets raped, maybe there is good story-line behind it.
Hell I play shattered, I cant recall her name now (I think isis but probably wrong) but if you choose to go to the slums with her, seems like your helping her out.
either way , your best friend ends up in a cage probably raped too.

Either way doesn't change the fact, I'd rather not go to the slums.
You end up in a cage too being treated like a dog.
so fuck her, I'd rather have my own freedom.

That's a consequence, I know I would like to see those people in the slums.
But fuck that shit, locked in a cage, treated like a dog, even though really its only a few days,
I get the option to not go, so fuck her.

Glad to finally see someone able to think as far as I do.
Nea's suicide was handled poorly, but when you know enough about the absolute hell some trans people -especially trans girls- go through, particularly in the US, that whole thing is sadly horribly realistic...
Though, I'd never say something as abhorrent as "that character killing themselves is a good part of the game". That, in my opinion, is an absolutely fucked up opinion to have. Even in fiction, suicide is never a thing to be considered a "pro". So I'll just chose to hope you meant "the choice to go with a realistic route" rather than "the trans character killing herself is a plus".

 

[Blaisdale]

Because people like to act entitled and throw a tamper tantrum because the game has content they want removed, despite it being clearly advertised beforehand. You have no idae how often I've seen it on this site alone. Trying to reason those people is a waste of time, you'd have a more productive day watching paint dry. And at least you'd avoid the headache.


If you think being with a trans girl is being gay, your heterosexuality is far more fragile than you like to pretend. The fact she's pre-op doesn't change that she's not a dude.



Glad to finally see someone able to think as far as I do.
Nea's suicide was handled poorly, but when you know enough about the absolute hell some trans people -especially trans girls- go through, particularly in the US, that whole thing is sadly horribly realistic...
Though, I'd never say something as abhorrent as "that character killing themselves is a good part of the game". That, in my opinion, is an absolutely fucked up opinion to have. Even in fiction, suicide is never a thing to be considered a "pro". So I'll just chose to hope you meant "the choice to go with a realistic route" rather than "the trans character killing herself is a plus".

I don't think her killing herself is a good thing.
However when games can grab you and make you feel something is a good thing.
That to me is what matters.

I am not a believer that when I play a game, it needs to be all good because I don't want anything else.
When events play out you cant control, I like, specially when it feels something is going on in the background regardless.
Bad things can be written in to move plot and grab you and keep you talking.

Being a Dik - M.C.'s mother being dead is a frequent point.
Thousand Arms - game is started by M.C.'s father possibly dying (he didn't but you assume it) and home destroyed.
As well as most of the main cast having bad things happen to them pushing them forward.
I'm bad with remembering titles and names as of late, aging is a bitch lol

There was one VN I played where one of the main L.I. jumps off of a bridge and you save her.
She becomes a big focus point in it. I cant remember the name of it right now but it was a good game.
She ends up trying to jump off a second time towards the end and up in the hospital with memory loss.
That game grabs you with in an interesting way.

I could go into many things where "death" could grab you on how you view it.
I like Nea, I am pretty sure I stated that before, but in case I didn't. I do.
I do think with the way its written its close to real, if its good or not that's up to each person.

Suicide I don't see as a pro.
Rather I like bad consequence of choices as a pro.
Again I don't like games hand holding you.
To me when a game can keep people talking about it, is a good thing.
I think that fact people are talking about this upsetting them a good thing.

Maybe I am just wording things poorly.
It happens, like my bad grammar lol.

I think its a good thing that players get bitten in the ass with their choices.
To me that doesn't happen enough in games.

 

[Rutonat]

I don't think her killing herself is a good thing.
However when games can grab you and make you feel something is a good thing.
That to me is what matters.

I am not a believer that when I play a game, it needs to be all good because I don't want anything else.
When events play out you cant control, I like, specially when it feels something is going on in the background regardless.
Bad things can be written in to move plot and grab you and keep you talking.

Being a Dik - M.C.'s mother being dead is a frequent point.
Thousand Arms - game is started by M.C.'s father possibly dying (he didn't but you assume it) and home destroyed.
As well as most of the main cast having bad things happen to them pushing them forward.
I'm bad with remembering titles and names as of late, aging is a bitch lol

There was one VN I played where one of the main L.I. jumps off of a bridge and you save her.
She becomes a big focus point in it. I cant remember the name of it right now but it was a good game.
She ends up trying to jump off a second time towards the end and up in the hospital with memory loss.
That game grabs you with in an interesting way.

I could go into many things where "death" could grab you on how you view it.
I like Nea, I am pretty sure I stated that before, but in case I didn't. I do.
I do think with the way its written its close to real, if its good or not that's up to each person.

Suicide I don't see as a pro.
Rather I like bad consequence of choices as a pro.
Again I don't like games hand holding you.
To me when a game can keep people talking about it, is a good thing.
I think that fact people are talking about this upsetting them a good thing.

Maybe I am just wording things poorly.
It happens, like my bad grammar lol.

I think its a good thing that players get bitten in the ass with their choices.
To me that doesn't happen enough in games.

So it was a comment about the realism of the narration rather than the suicide. Got it.
And don't worry, you're not entirely at fault. English isn't my native language, and while I think I can say I'm quite fluent, some subtlety of expressions can sometime escape me completely, depending on phrasing.
It's all good.

But I figured I'd clarify because some people in here genuinely were overjoyed about her killing herself like it's something worth national celebrations.
Some people here need therapy.

 

[BurnerGuy]

No saying someone is weird is one thing.
When you are calling them a wierdo, that's actually a directed insult, maybe you keep missing the "o" distinction.
There is actually a difference.
I'm not a fan of insults in general specially online because that's just lighting a match around gasoline.
Once attacks start, its a royal rumble.

I have never said anything towards someone being a wierdo nor have I on this forum directly insulted someone.
Indirectly I will admit to. I will list below.
I think you are mixing up someone posts with mine.
I get attacked very often though lol.

The only time on F95 that I have said something that could be seen as insulting is when I questioned someone for being "gullible" for believing a dev who had a lengthy history of excuses and abandon projects.
That conversation was not under #69

The person arguing me, took his words as proof, when no image was shown.
I gave a very lengthy answer as to why his game being removed from steam was bullshit and that he did it himself.
(his game is still not finished)
As well as pointing out, many other creators who had content removed, show pictures of the email.
I don't like saying negative things about creators, even with him I always make sure to point out,
that he still has talent for writing characters really well.

I listed games which had worse content and with content it had.
Which were still on steam and most I owned but 1.
but I'm waiting for that one to go on sale. lol

There is a few I am waiting to go on sale because I don't feel I can justify the price tag.

You're arguing with someone who misspelled "skipped" and "family". People who failed out of 3rd grade don't usually have the most well thought out opinions.

 

[Dragon59]

You're arguing with someone who misspelled "skipped" and "family". People who failed out of 3rd grade don't usually have the most well thought out opinions.

Perhaps it was indicative of a lack of education or life experience, but I have have him on ignore. The reason he called Nea a "weirdo" was because she was "not normal." I know full well where that kind of mindset regarding what is or is not normal (rather than being less common) leads for those of us who exist on the fringes of what many would call "normal."

Right now, in the US, we are struggling with people who want to impose a normal/not normal label on people. Those people have weaponized the undereducated to incite violence toward those who are at the extremes of the curve.

Hard to just take such uneducated comments lightly.

I would not want to call them Neanderthals, because unlike many of these people, all indications are than the Neanderthal peoples were rich in empathy and compassion.