Ren'Py Apartment #69 [v0.09] [Luxee]

[Deleted member 4771066]

I also can't see Luxee "rewriting history" to make the death only a dream or something silly like that.

I think the jump actually happened. Why put it in, only to remove it in the next update? It's literally bringing someone back from the dead, and I also think it's a bad move to make, as it doesn't show a "sticking to your guns" mentality in sticking with the story that you already wrote and which is in most players minds right now, at least to those who know she did a jump without a parachute.

So I'm putting my eggs in that basket.

I'm also putting the other half of my eggs in the basket that there's going to be shit with the father, and he'll be the big problem going forward with the story. All of it is, or was, his doing. He should be held accountable if anyone; not the MC, not Heather, no one but him and him alone.

 

[Corambis]

I also can't see Luxee "rewriting history" to make the death only a dream or something silly like that.

I think the jump actually happened. Why put it in, only to remove it in the next update? It's literally bringing someone back from the dead, and I also think it's a bad move to make, as it doesn't show a "sticking to your guns" mentality in sticking with the story that you already wrote and which is in most players minds right now, at least to those who know she did a jump without a parachute.

The entire game is actually a story being narrated to someone at a restaurant sharing past events. All the game has to do is cut back to the present with the listener going "Wait, Nea killed herself?" at which point the MC goes "Oh, so you were listening after all. The way you were checking out that waitress had me wondering. No, although I was worried about her, so..." and then it's back into his story.

Even if this wasn't all a narration/flashback, I'm pretty sure this game is labeled as a Beta, since pretty much everything is these days. Everything is subject to change. And Luxee has tweaked stuff in the past, although not to the point of undoing a death. But at the same time, I don't think he's made as unpopular a decision as this in the past. Most people won't complain if he changes this, and as often gets brought up it makes his job as a developer easier as well.

 

[wanderingwolfgod]

So, who else is looking forward to more wholesome movie times with your little sister and her friend?

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

So, who else is looking forward to more wholesome movie times with your little sister and her friend?

Well, more than one friend really. Both Evie and Embie taught little Yui some English, so it's really Evie and friends.

 

[alex2011]

I also can't see Luxee "rewriting history" to make the death only a dream or something silly like that.

I think the jump actually happened. Why put it in, only to remove it in the next update? It's literally bringing someone back from the dead, and I also think it's a bad move to make, as it doesn't show a "sticking to your guns" mentality in sticking with the story that you already wrote and which is in most players minds right now, at least to those who know she did a jump without a parachute.

So I'm putting my eggs in that basket.

I'm also putting the other half of my eggs in the basket that there's going to be shit with the father, and he'll be the big problem going forward with the story. All of it is, or was, his doing. He should be held accountable if anyone; not the MC, not Heather, no one but him and him alone.

Well, for one, because it was entirely a reaction to an outside factor, that factor being some pretty blatant, although not widespread, hate for Nea being trans. Reactionary additions rarely blend well as they come from a deep emotional response that runs the risk of clouding the developer's creative vision and judgement as to what would actually flow well. What was a good way to continue gets clouded by 'must take shots at this group of players' instead of continuing on the same path as it was originally on. Also, it can't be bringing back the dead if the dead in question never died. If Nea were to be prevented from jumping or if the jump were to be erased entirely, then Nea would never have died through the jump since the jump never occurred. Sticking to your guns is often a good move, but not when an obvious mistake was made, the mistake here being saying there would be a friendship route only for what was thought to be that friendship route to end in Nea's death and having no indication that the friendship route that had previously been confirmed was still in production. This leads to the belief that the players were lied to. Having the current story in players' minds for this game is not such a good idea, especially Nea's route for the exact reasons above.

As for the father, I have so much hate directed at him within the story already, he has to be in my top three most hated characters at this point and he hasn't even made an on screen appearance.

The entire game is actually a story being narrated to someone at a restaurant sharing past events. All the game has to do is cut back to the present with the listener going "Wait, Nea killed herself?" at which point the MC goes "Oh, so you were listening after all. The way you were checking out that waitress had me wondering. No, although I was worried about her, so..." and then it's back into his story.

Even if this wasn't all a narration/flashback, I'm pretty sure this game is labeled as a Beta, since pretty much everything is these days. Everything is subject to change. And Luxee has tweaked stuff in the past, although not to the point of undoing a death. But at the same time, I don't think he's made as unpopular a decision as this in the past. Most people won't complain if he changes this, and as often gets brought up it makes his job as a developer easier as well.

That's actually a pretty good way to divert away from the Nea suicide without having to remove it and still allowing Nea to remain alive. At this point, not even a beta, more like a late alpha at best. Luxee has not made a decision this unpopular in the past, at least not since before Parental Love, which was the game I started on with him. He also hasn't had someone this central to the story die in any game I have been watching. I certainly will not complain if he removes the suicide, normally I would applaud such a thing because that means he is willing to fix errors in judgement, but it is a bit late for applause. He will have to settle for not getting complaints anymore with me...as long as he doesn't repeat this, do suicide right if you're going to do it or don't do it at all. The timing was way too early in the game to make any sense.

So, who else is looking forward to more wholesome movie times with your little sister and her friend?

Well, more than one friend really. Both Evie and Embie taught little Yui some English, so it's really Evie and friends.

I certainly am, especially if Yui is involved.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

Well, for one, because it was entirely a reaction to an outside factor, that factor being some pretty blatant, although not widespread, hate for Nea being trans. Reactionary additions rarely blend well as they come from a deep emotional response that runs the risk of clouding the developer's creative vision and judgement as to what would actually flow well. What was a good way to continue gets clouded by 'must take shots at this group of players' instead of continuing on the same path as it was originally on. Also, it can't be bringing back the dead if the dead in question never died. If Nea were to be prevented from jumping or if the jump were to be erased entirely, then Nea would never have died through the jump since the jump never occurred. Sticking to your guns is often a good move, but not when an obvious mistake was made, the mistake here being saying there would be a friendship route only for what was thought to be that friendship route to end in Nea's death and having no indication that the friendship route that had previously been confirmed was still in production. This leads to the belief that the players were lied to. Having the current story in players' minds for this game is not such a good idea, especially Nea's route for the exact reasons above.

As for the father, I have so much hate directed at him within the story already, he has to be in my top three most hated characters at this point and he hasn't even made an on screen appearance.


That's actually a pretty good way to divert away from the Nea suicide without having to remove it and still allowing Nea to remain alive. At this point, not even a beta, more like a late alpha at best. Luxee has not made a decision this unpopular in the past, at least not since before Parental Love, which was the game I started on with him. He also hasn't had someone this central to the story die in any game I have been watching. I certainly will not complain if he removes the suicide, normally I would applaud such a thing because that means he is willing to fix errors in judgement, but it is a bit late for applause. He will have to settle for not getting complaints anymore with me...as long as he doesn't repeat this, do suicide right if you're going to do it or don't do it at all. The timing was way too early in the game to make any sense.



I certainly am, especially if Yui is involved.

So you're saying he put that in, for what? to garner some sort of reaction of players to see how they took to it, and depending on what that reaction was, he'd either keep the suicide in or remove it?

I love Luxee and his games, but doing a suicide switcheroo in my eyes would fuck up his credibility? Why put it in at all to give players like me hate her hope that she's finally gone just to say "nope this was just a test of the emergency broadcast system" and it never happened?

Sorry, not buying it. If she comes back in 0.07 after that jump, I'm going to be pretty pissed off

 

[Moonis]

The results of the jump wasn't shown if I remember correctly. So, it's possible that it results trip to hospital instead of graveyard.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

So you're saying he put that in, for what? to garner some sort of reaction of players to see how they took to it, and depending on what that reaction was, he'd either keep the suicide in or remove it?

I love Luxee and his games, but doing a suicide switcheroo in my eyes would fuck up his credibility? Why put it in at all to give players like me hate her hope that she's finally gone just to say "nope this was just a test of the emergency broadcast system" and it never happened?

Sorry, not buying it. If she comes back in 0.07 after that jump, I'm going to be pretty pissed off

I understand you, and I think if Luxee made her jump, it's a definite thing. You don't see what happens, it's true, but it's quite clear from the comments that what has happened is something irremediable (her jumping from the roof is deduced from what happens on the other route). Also, as I recall, the MC arrives at the scene after it has happened (and nothing is said about a suicide note). Actually, as far as you know, something terrible and definitive happens to Nea on this route and the MC only arrives at the place in time to see the consequences of it.

The results of the jump wasn't shown if I remember correctly. So, it's possible that it results trip to hospital instead of graveyard.

From how he describes it and what happens in what should be Nea's next scenes, I think the consequences are definitive.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

I understand you, and I think if Luxee made her jump, it's a definite thing. You don't see what happens, it's true, but it's quite clear from the comments that what has happened is something irremediable (her jumping from the roof is deduced from what happens on the other route). Also, as I recall, the MC arrives at the scene after it has happened (and nothing is said about a suicide note). Actually, as far as you know, something terrible and definitive happens to Nea on this route and the MC only arrives at the place in time to see the consequences of it.



From how he describes it and what happens in what should be Nea's next scenes, I think the consequences are definitive.

Yeah, mach 10 nosedive, she ain't getting up, and I really hope it stays that way. I've never been behind a VN concept and choice so much as I am behind this

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Yeah, mach 10 nosedive, she ain't getting up, and I really hope it stays that way. I've never been behind a VN concept and choice so much as I am behind this

I leave a post I made some time ago:

Well, after choosing "I can't be into her (she will no longer love you)" you have the following text dialog on a black background: "On my way back to my apartment building I witnessed something to horrific to include in this fun story ". "I still blame myself to this day"

After that you have another "scene" with Nea that only includes the following text: "Oh, yeah ... I forgot" with no images.

For me, knowing what happens on the other route, there is a great possibility that Nea killed herself jumping to the ground.

I find it unlikely that Nea is in the hospital and not in the graveyard: if he wanted something like that he could have done the scene in the hospital and not a black screen with some letters leaving a dark message.

 

[Uthuriel]

Damn... some of you guys are cold hearted motherfuckers...

Poor Nea...

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

Damn... some of you guys are cold hearted motherfuckers...

Poor Nea...

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I know, but in this game, I really fucking don't like her. Sorry buddy, I know we're friends and all, but she gives me the same reaction I have when I see Eric or the masseuse in PL

JUST.GET.AWAY!

Sorry dude

 

[Uthuriel]

I know, but in this game, I really fucking don't like her. Sorry buddy, I know we're friends and all, but she gives me the same reaction I have when I see Eric or the masseuse in PL

JUST.GET.AWAY!

Sorry dude

A shame... for me the same instinct I have for Lucy from MNF kicks in and I want to protect them the most...

Both are characters I just want to hold tight and give them the world...
IMHO both deserve so much and yet had so little in their lives...

Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic...

 

[exazubi]

I also can't see Luxee "rewriting history" to make the death only a dream or something silly like that.

I think the jump actually happened. Why put it in, only to remove it in the next update? It's literally bringing someone back from the dead, and I also think it's a bad move to make, as it doesn't show a "sticking to your guns" mentality in sticking with the story that you already wrote and which is in most players minds right now, at least to those who know she did a jump without a parachute.

So I'm putting my eggs in that basket.

I'm also putting the other half of my eggs in the basket that there's going to be shit with the father, and he'll be the big problem going forward with the story. All of it is, or was, his doing. He should be held accountable if anyone; not the MC, not Heather, no one but him and him alone.

Unfortunately, there are many people here who hate Nea. Of course, not everyone likes trans/futa content. But I think there would have been other solutions. The idea here is quite radical. Well, i don't care, i play the romance route.

But there are also players who generally want Nea out of the game. I hope they don't prevail in the end. I also ask myself why these people play a game in the first place where it was clear from day one that there would be a trans main girl? So, for my part, I am not to be found in any threat to games with content which I don´t like. Why should I? What I don't like, others like. And they should have fun too. But the fact that there are many players in this forum who regard the dev as a fulfillment slave of their wishes and apply constant pressure accordingly, instead of respecting the fact that they are guests of the devs fantasy, is an unsolved mystery of this forum up today.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

A shame... for me the same instinct I have for Lucy from MNF kicks in and I want to protect them the most...

Both are characters I just want to hold tight and give them the world...
IMHO both deserve so much and yet had so little in their lives...

Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic...

I am too, for the right people or characters. In real life, I'm a softee when it comes to these things, but throw the wrong person in front of me, I can't get in the steamroller quick enough to run them over.

I love most of Luxee's girls (obviously from both of my sigs) but the rest, nope, nada, nein, nyet, いいえ!

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

Unfortunately, there are many people here who hate Nea. Of course, not everyone likes trans/futa content. But I think there would have been other solutions. The idea here is quite radical. Well, i don't care, i play the romance route.

But there are also players who generally want Nea out of the game. I hope they don't prevail in the end. I also ask myself why these people play a game in the first place where it was clear from day one that there would be a trans main girl? So, for my part, I am not to be found in any threat to games with content which I don´t like. Why should I? What I don't like, others like. And they should have fun too. But the fact that there are many players in this forum who regard the dev as a fulfillment slave of their wishes and apply constant pressure accordingly, instead of respecting the fact that they are guests of the devs fantasy, is an unsolved mystery of this forum up today.

I didn't realize until I started playing that their was, to be honest. I knew of a second Luxee game out when I picked it up, didn't check out the tags, which I do normally do.

Once I started playing though (after 0.05 was released) I was hooked, ONLY because of the girls in my A69 sig.

Evie is this game's Ada, and I wasn't going to pass that up
I don't usually like redheads, but Millie is so fucking cute
Seki and Yui - adorable Japanese girls, and I love Japanese women more than anything

I put up with Nea only because of the other four girls I mentioned. Now, I have a way to get rid of a character I hate without having to worry about her story progression which the other girls rely on.

To me, that's liberating, if I don't have to worry about events I don't want to do to get to the girls I really want to see the stories with. I ignore her all the time yes, but at least I don't have to do a few extra clicks just go to her event and skip it OR worry about an event with her that includes any of the other girls

She better stay gone

 

[exazubi]

I didn't realize until I started playing that their was, to be honest. I knew of a second Luxee game out when I picked it up, didn't check out the tags, which I do normally do.

Once I started playing though (after 0.05 was released) I was hooked, ONLY because of the girls in my A69 sig.

Evie is this game's Ada, and I wasn't going to pass that up
I don't usually like redheads, but Millie is so fucking cute
Seki and Yui - adorable Japanese girls, and I love Japanese women more than anything

I put up with Nea only because of the other four girls I mentioned. Now, I have a way to get rid of a character I hate without having to worry about her story progression which the other girls rely on.

To me, that's liberating, if I don't have to worry about events I don't want to do to get to the girls I really want to see the stories with. I ignore her all the time yes, but at least I don't have to do a few extra clicks just go to her event and skip it OR worry about an event with her that includes any of the other girls

She better stay gone

That's perfectly fine. The tastes are different. I just don't like people who generally want to push a developer in another direction as planed by him/herself. A lot of games have already broken because of this or the developers have given up. So we have already lost a lot of good games.

 

[Rutonat]

A shame... for me the same instinct I have for Lucy from MNF kicks in and I want to protect them the most...

Both are characters I just want to hold tight and give them the world...
IMHO both deserve so much and yet had so little in their lives...

Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic...

You're simply sensitive enough to be a good human being. Something that seems to be less and less common.

But there are also players who generally want Nea out of the game. I hope they don't prevail in the end.

I highly doubt it. It's pretty clear that Luxee really likes those characters, just from the care put into making them. I doubt we'll see the day the haters and transphobes win and push those out of Luxee's works.

I also ask myself why these people play a game in the first place where it was clear from day one that there would be a trans main girl?

I wonder the same thing. Maybe because some people feel so entitled that they consider they can, and deserve to, make any game modified to suit their tastes, instead of looking for another game.
The only thing I more or less know is that people who snap out at trans character are usually the most insecure about their own perception of themselves. Look a few decades back : the biggest homophobes often ended up coming out of the closet themselves. Not saying transphobes will end up transitionning, but they clearly feel personaly attacked in their sexuality and identity by trans people just existing...

But the fact that there are many players in this forum who regard the dev as a fulfillment slave of their wishes and apply constant pressure accordingly, instead of respecting the fact that they are guests of the devs fantasy, is an unsolved mystery of this forum up today.

The most baffling part is how many of them like to say devs have to obey players demands for modification "because we give them money on Patreon", while not paying themselves. And not understanding that supporting a started project isn't the same as being the one to order the game in the first place.

Either way, I doubt Luxee is going to remove Nea anytime soon. And personally, I won't get tired of pushing back against those who consider that content they personaly don't enjoy should be removed. They can go find another game, Luxee owes them nothing.

 

[exazubi]

You're simply sensitive enough to be a good human being. Something that seems to be less and less common.


I highly doubt it. It's pretty clear that Luxee really likes those characters, just from the care put into making them. I doubt we'll see the day the haters and transphobes win and push those out of Luxee's works.


I wonder the same thing. Maybe because some people feel so entitled that they consider they can, and deserve to, make any game modified to suit their tastes, instead of looking for another game.
The only thing I more or less know is that people who snap out at trans character are usually the most insecure about their own perception of themselves. Look a few decades back : the biggest homophobes often ended up coming out of the closet themselves. Not saying transphobes will end up transitionning, but they clearly feel personaly attacked in their sexuality and identity by trans people just existing...


The most baffling part is how many of them like to say devs have to obey players demands for modification "because we give them money on Patreon", while not paying themselves. And not understanding that supporting a started project isn't the same as being the one to order the game in the first place.

Either way, I doubt Luxee is going to remove Nea anytime soon. And personally, I won't get tired of pushing back against those who consider that content they personaly don't enjoy should be removed. They can go find another game, Luxee owes them nothing.

We will see. I like Nea, but also many other LI. And it's a bit exotic to see a trans in a game that isn't generally designed entirely for trans. So, in this form, it's just a welcome change, where I'm really excited to see how the story develops.

 

[Rutonat]

We will see. I like Nea, but also many other LI. And it's a bit exotic to see a trans in a game that isn't generally designed entirely for trans. So, in this form, it's just a welcome change, where I'm really excited to see how the story develops.

True. Also it's not often you get to see a trans character mid transition. It's often just a word to put a shemale or futa character (though futa and trans are totally different, but I've learned by now that trying to get people to understand the difference is basically pissing against the wind), or a mention on a character that is already fully transitionned. And since Nea has a whole lot more depth on her, psychologicaly, than pretty much any other trans character I've seen, it's just... fascinating. Especially since she's extremely well written.