Ren'Py Apartment #69 [v0.09] [Luxee]

[alex2011]

Nea will take to the harem for what it offers: love and support--she'll be very close to Heather giving the similarities.

Nea will join the harem because she'll finally be part of a group that will love her and treat her with respect just like the MC does and that she'll finally feel like she actually belongs. The only people I don't see joining the harem are the teacher - Eric - jealous brother.

Maybe if there is a way to get around Nea's dependence on the MC, as things are now, being a part of a harem could end up just fueling a feeling of abandonment because the MC won't be exclusive. In turn, that would fuel another potential suicide.

the teacher will--she won't refuse the MC.

I can definitely see every other character being fully willing to join, it would only really be a matter of what options are coded in and what the player chooses.

Not if I have any say in it and if we get forced into dragging her ass along I'll be utilizing the CTRL button whenever she appears to make her ass disappear faster.

Same on the forcing, but if not forced, I will probably try to add her.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

Maybe if there is a way to get around Nea's dependence on the MC, as things are now, being a part of a harem could end up just fueling a feeling of abandonment because the MC won't be exclusive. In turn, that would fuel another potential suicide.

I disagree. this gives her the family she wants. certainly will bound with Heather and the MC's family... most girls seem to be in similar situations.

 

[alex2011]

I disagree. this gives her the family she wants. certainly will bound with Heather and the MC's family... most girls seem to be in similar situations.

Nea's been pushed into the darkness by the bullies and Nea's father. Then along comes one single person shining a light into that darkness who Nea happens to develop what I still consider false feelings for him and him alone, not false as in Nea doesn't feel them, but false in that it is an attachment to Nea's savior and not actual love. So what will Nea do when he turns out to be in love with other characters? Nea will feel like the MC abandoned Nea for the harem, this pushing Nea right back into the darkness, but this time with no one to shine that light to pull Nea out again. That darkness could then consume Nea, resulting in unbearable emotional pain and the thought process that there is only one way out of that pain, death, which leads to suicide.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

Nea's been pushed into the darkness by the bullies and Nea's father. Then along comes one single person shining a light into that darkness who Nea happens to develop what I still consider false feelings for him and him alone, not false as in Nea doesn't feel them, but false in that it is an attachment to Nea's savior and not actual love. So what will Nea do when he turns out to be in love with other characters? Nea will feel like the MC abandoned Nea for the harem, this pushing Nea right back into the darkness, but this time with no one to shine that light to pull Nea out again. That darkness could then consume Nea, resulting in unbearable emotional pain and the thought process that there is only one way out of that pain, death, which leads to suicide.

I don't agree. now, were that to be a secret or should he spend more time with others? you would be correct. I don't agree that Nea doesn't really love him--while I don't dismiss your point that she views him as her savior.

 

[alex2011]

I don't agree. now, were that to be a secret or should he spend more time with others? you would be correct. I don't agree that Nea doesn't really love him--while I don't dismiss your point that she views him as her savior.

I don't agree that Nea loves him, this seems too easy to be actual love and not some reversed Stockholm Syndrome where instead of falling for the aggressors, Nea fell for the savior. That's all the MC seems to be to Nea at the moment. Also, it doesn't take a secret, all that has to happen is Nea finding out that the MC is going behind Nea's back. It would be a betrayal deeper than any Nea has ever felt second only to Nea's father and betrayal by someone close is one of the easiest ways to trigger suicide in someone who is already suffering immense anguish.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

I don't agree that Nea loves him, this seems too easy to be actual love and not some reversed Stockholm Syndrome where instead of falling for the aggressors, Nea fell for the savior. That's all the MC seems to be to Nea at the moment. Also, it doesn't take a secret, all that has to happen is Nea finding out that the MC is going behind Nea's back. It would be a betrayal deeper than any Nea has ever felt second only to Nea's father and betrayal by someone close is one of the easiest ways to trigger suicide in someone who is already suffering immense anguish.

Exactly. There's so many things and so many girls in this game after the MC, if Nea happened to find out about ANY of that, she would feel the betrayal and I think it would be worse than initially turning her down. She wouldn't feel good enough at all and most likely tragedy would happen again.

If she saw the MC with anyone else, forget it. It's all over again. She latched on to the first person that protected her, and whether it's love or not, it's not really healthy because her whole life and happiness now revolves around the MC, one wrong step and it could be disaster.

Nothing about that relationship in my mind right now is good. She already doesn't feel good enough about herself. Her seeing him kiss another girl? Oh lord

 

[Ifartedtoolong]

Nea will always be apart of my harem and she'll be surrounded by too many people that love her for her to think about anything but love and the word abandonment will be forgotten.

 

[alex2011]

Exactly. There's so many things and so many girls in this game after the MC, if Nea happened to find out about ANY of that, she would feel the betrayal and I think it would be worse than initially turning her down. She wouldn't feel good enough at all and most likely tragedy would happen again.

If she saw the MC with anyone else, forget it. It's all over again. She latched on to the first person that protected her, and whether it's love or not, it's not really healthy because her whole life and happiness now revolves around the MC, one wrong step and it could be disaster.

Nothing about that relationship in my mind right now is good. She already doesn't feel good enough about herself. Her seeing him kiss another girl? Oh lord

Agreed, Nea's already extremely vulnerable and volatile and that isn't going to end overnight. We already found out just how close Nea is to suicide, one push is all it takes and this would push Nea for sure.

Nea will always be apart of my harem and she'll be surrounded by too many people that love her for her to think about anything but love and the word abandonment will be forgotten.

We'll see, but for now, I'm keeping any Nea and harem runs separate so as to avoid any chance of another suicide. I am not taking chances around a suicidal character.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

Agreed, Nea's already extremely vulnerable and volatile and that isn't going to end overnight. We already found out just how close Nea is to suicide, one push is all it takes and this would push Nea for sure.


We'll see, but for now, I'm keeping any Nea and harem runs separate so as to avoid any chance of another suicide. I am not taking chances around a suicidal character.

Agreed. As someone who has attempted suicide more than a dozen times mostly through ODs and a few creative CSI/NCIS methods, it's not a healthy thing to be around. I for one know how volatile and fragile a single action or word or two can be. It's not something to be taken lightly for sure, especially to a character as fragile as she is.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

I don't agree that Nea loves him, this seems too easy to be actual love and not some reversed Stockholm Syndrome where instead of falling for the aggressors, Nea fell for the savior. That's all the MC seems to be to Nea at the moment. Also, it doesn't take a secret, all that has to happen is Nea finding out that the MC is going behind Nea's back. It would be a betrayal deeper than any Nea has ever felt second only to Nea's father and betrayal by someone close is one of the easiest ways to trigger suicide in someone who is already suffering immense anguish.

That would be a secret.

 

[Corambis]

Exactly. There's so many things and so many girls in this game after the MC, if Nea happened to find out about ANY of that, she would feel the betrayal and I think it would be worse than initially turning her down. She wouldn't feel good enough at all and most likely tragedy would happen again.

If she saw the MC with anyone else, forget it. It's all over again. She latched on to the first person that protected her, and whether it's love or not, it's not really healthy because her whole life and happiness now revolves around the MC, one wrong step and it could be disaster.

Nothing about that relationship in my mind right now is good. She already doesn't feel good enough about herself. Her seeing him kiss another girl? Oh lord

Finding she was just one of many girls, especially a wide range of them, wouldn't be good for her mentally in my mind. She thinks the MC likes her for her, and not just because he will fuck anything with a heartbeat, including family members. The idea that she herself in turn could be loved would be shattered. Or at least that's how it should play out.

I disagree. this gives her the family she wants. certainly will bound with Heather and the MC's family... most girls seem to be in similar situations.

I do think she wants a family. Her current family sucks. I just don't think she's looking for a harem family. She's probably already thinking of a wedding dress, a honeymoon with the MC, and adopting kids and a cat and dog.

Nea will always be apart of my harem and she'll be surrounded by too many people that love her for her to think about anything but love and the word abandonment will be forgotten.

Disclaimer here in that generally I don't like harems. They feel forced and then there's also a feeling of a cult to them, possibly because they are a feature of some religions and especially cults. And what we're describing here is basically a cult where Nea is love-bombed by the others because she's vulnerable. If she joins, it's either because of her mental health or just because it still beats her current life and she's willing to settle.

Nea needs her own path, at least as an option. Or maybe Luxee can write things so that Nea joins the harem and it makes sense, and isn't just kind of sad because she's settled for far less than she wanted. The other women more or less will all fit into the harem, but then again none of them have the depth of Nea's character, and none of them as desperately need the full attention of someone who loves them and them alone.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

Finding she was just one of many girls, especially a wide range of them, wouldn't be good for her mentally in my mind. She thinks the MC likes her for her, and not just because he will fuck anything with a heartbeat, including family members. The idea that she herself in turn could be loved would be shattered. Or at least that's how it should play out.



I do think she wants a family. Her current family sucks. I just don't think she's looking for a harem family. She's probably already thinking of a wedding dress, a honeymoon with the MC, and adopting kids and a cat and dog.



Disclaimer here in that generally I don't like harems. They feel forced and then there's also a feeling of a cult to them, possibly because they are a feature of some religions and especially cults. And what we're describing here is basically a cult where Nea is love-bombed by the others because she's vulnerable. If she joins, it's either because of her mental health or just because it still beats her current life and she's willing to settle.

Nea needs her own path, at least as an option. Or maybe Luxee can write things so that Nea joins the harem and it makes sense, and isn't just kind of sad because she's settled for far less than she wanted. The other women more or less will all fit into the harem, but then again none of them have the depth of Nea's character, and none of them as desperately need the full attention of someone who loves them and them alone.

I agree completely on how detrimental it would be for her, which is why I initially thought of the idea for her to have her own game and not have to deal with teh BS in this one; the bullying, the other girls, and other bullshit. The MC basically has to be monogamous if he wants to start a relationship with her and he really has to be careful where his eyes wander off to.

As for harems, I don't like them at all and only in Luxee's games do I even consider MFF combinations too (like the Ada/Elly ending in PL) I'm not a very big fan of things like that and usually I just want a one-on-one with a girl in these games. I learned through PL that you really don't get that, only with Emily, and that was not a fun route at all having to repeatedly turn down Elly at every turn. God that broke my heart to do that route.

I'm hoping she doesn't have to be a central LI in the game for all the other relationships in the game to work. I want my specific endings, and I hope that she doesn't have to be a part of that in order for her to not commit suicide. If I wanted a solo with Seki, Millie, or Evie, I shouldn't have to keep Nea around (or alive) for that. That's what has me spooked in this game is the necessity of her being a part of any LI route other than hers.

Knowing Lux, he'll have a harem route for the "Gotta catch 'em all" players but hopefully for ones that don't want that, we'll have a good selection of Solos or MFFs, and hopefully one of them is NOT a route with Seki & Alicia with the MC. *Shudders*

 

[Rutonat]

Searching for so much realism in a game about a guy making himself a harem with girls ranging from 10 to 40, including both his sisters, with the blessing of his mom, who will probably join in... Never fail to get a sigh out of me.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

I do think she wants a family. Her current family sucks. I just don't think she's looking for a harem family. She's probably already thinking of a wedding dress, a honeymoon with the MC, and adopting kids and a cat and dog.

I don't disagree. sometimes, life doesn't work that way, though.

 

[Uthuriel]

Searching for so much realism in a game about a guy making himself a harem with gril ranging from 10 to 40, including both his sisters, with the blessing of his mom, who will probably join in... Never fail to get a sigh out of me.

They are just making reasons up why she can't or shouldn't be in the game.
That's where the she should have her own game talk comes from.

I'm pretty sure all will be alright in the end and Nea will be part of the harem and everything will be fine.

 

[Deleted member 4771066]

They are just making reasons up why she can't or shouldn't be in the game.
That's where the she should have her own game talk comes from.

I'm pretty sure all will be alright in the end and Nea will be part of the harem and everything will be fine.

No way to know until it happens, really.

I just don't like the thought of playing this game for a couple of years or more until completion only to find out, "too bad Mark, she's going to be part of whatever route you take because if you kill her off, no one will like the MC... yadda yadda."

That has me worried more than anything at this point. I don't want a stowaway with baggage around any girl I happen to choose.

 

[Rutonat]

They are just making reasons up why she can't or shouldn't be in the game.
That's where the she should have her own game talk comes from.

I'm pretty sure all will be alright in the end and Nea will be part of the harem and everything will be fine.

Ho I know. I've seen enough how people need to rationalize why something they don't like shouldn't exist and therefore it should all be according to their will (or "God's will" for some of them).
Doesn't change the fact it makes my sigh.
Like Luxee's gonna suddenly post to say "You know what, you're right, the character can't stay here since it wouldn't be 100% realistic to the reality of the real world. I'll remove her permanently and retkon all her story in the next update".

 

[Master of Puppets]

I do think she wants a family. Her current family sucks. I just don't think she's looking for a harem family. She's probably already thinking of a wedding dress, a honeymoon with the MC, and adopting kids and a cat and dog.

Is there any reason you think she can't do all that in a harem family, or are you just hating?

 

[Uthuriel]

Is there any reason you think she can't do all that in a harem family, or are you just hating?

It's probably hating...

The thing is it's a story so anything Luxee writes happens.

If we e.g. take the game My New Family we are at the point where the MC from this game is engaged with almost his whole family and the wedding is set for the next update.

I don't see a reason why this couldn't happen in this game too. We also know that Cha has no problem with the MC having more than one GF.
So in the end what I'm expecting is everybody together and happy. Nea included.

 

[Corambis]

Is there any reason you think she can't do all that in a harem family, or are you just hating?

It's probably hating...

The thing is it's a story so anything Luxee writes happens.

If we e.g. take the game My New Family we are at the point where the MC from this game is engaged with almost his whole family and the wedding is set for the next update.

I don't see a reason why this couldn't happen in this game too. We also know that Cha has no problem with the MC having more than one GF.
So in the end what I'm expecting is everybody together and happy. Nea included.

I don't think it's the same dynamic as a more traditional family versus a sex game harem. I've played some of My New Family, and it's a fun but silly sex romp. A harem is pretty much the expected outcome, with every character created with that ultimate path in mind. As mentioned before, Nea seems made for something different. Maybe Luxee turns her into a harem girl, but I don't think that would feel like Nea anymore if she just goes along with the harem idea.

Would it be the same thing if suddenly Nea had several boys actively pursuing her, but it was okay because the MC could join her harem and share her with the other men? They could all be one happy family, with the MC and his new "brothers" having their allocated time with Nea. You'd have the romantic love of Nea and the brotherly love of the other men, so it's all cool, right? And for some people, it would be, which is fine. Personally, I wouldn't want that for the MC. I wouldn't want it to for Nea. I suspect the idea of having to share any romantic interest in the game freaks out a lot of players, as it should freak out many love interests in these games, but they think that it's some secret sexual fantasy for women to be part of some man's harem. As stated by many, these games aren't reality, but they often do make attempts at approximating it. When Luxee made the choice to include Nea and focus on trans issues somewhat versus just trans fetishism, it kind of ups the ante on trying to keep the game elements surrounding Nea real.

Nea's on a different level than the other characters in the game, and Luxee has been trying to make a realistic story arc here with a trans woman as the focus. I don't think it needs to be a separate game, but it would help. Unless Luxee can do it just right, it's just not going to feel right, although most people probably won't care as long as they get their harem and can say they've collected all of the girls. But I'd like to see the level of realism continue and a ending for Nea that is good not just for the MC, but for Nea too. I don't think Nea gets her best ending unless its her and her alone that ends up with the MC in her story.

It's weird that I keep arguing for this, because I have no current intention of taking Nea's romance path. But I do like the character enough where I want to see her with the best outcome she can get. And who knows? If it turns out she's not dead and I can interact with her more and get to know her even better, maybe I'll end up falling for her myself. We'll see. I just hope I get the chance for her to not be dead on my friendship path someday.