VN Ren'Py Aperture [Ch.2] [Vonsatia]

[FickenPlayen]

Jesus christ, so many entitled babies in this thread. Just keep developing the game your way, man. I played both chapters and it's really good. Can't wait for more!

It's like this in every thread of any half-decent non-vanilla game. The amount of children that find their way into these threads is insane.

I mean, I get it - I'm actually into NTR, yet the romance is so well written that I don't want the NTR to come - but shit, that's the game the dev wants to make, so that's the game I want him to make.

I'm definitely going to play it, but like Love and Jealousy, I don't think this'll be a fapping game for me. I have a million NTR phone games for that. No, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be legitimately heartbroken, which is awesome. It's how you know it's actual art.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But for me personally, a good romance makes for a very good NTR story. If I wanted a story where the girl is just slut fucking around or the MC is just a pathetic looser who has no self-esteem and who isnt attractive to anyone anyway there is plenty of NTS games or games outside of the NTR genre that are applicable.

(This style of) NTR is about creating a bond between two people and ripping it apart by the hand of a third party.
The dev wants to make a NTR story where a good romance is being ripped apart by the evil machinations of a powerful third party, playing with elements like coercion, manipulation, power-imbalance, (male) dominance, corruption, hidden cheating, etc.

That is the primary focus of this game. And for anybody who is into that specific brand of NTR this will be a great game if dev keeps developing the way they do.

I agree that even tho Im a fan of NTR I want the romance to play out. If enough people are into it dev said they would be interested in making a love route after the NTR stuff is done.

To me that is the best way to do it, because any additional routes/paths like NTS or pure love will make the development infinitely longer or lower the quality and density of the story and presentation (scenes and CG ratio). So the dev focusing onone path for now and then at some point asking the audience if they want another path as well down the line imo is the way to go. Good vision, good focus.

For anybody who does not know games like NTRPG, even though the stories are tragic and sad in some aspects, maybe even depressing, they are some of the best of the entire genre exactly because they evoke these emotions from people. You want to get people's attention and have them be invested into your game beyond a quick fap? Then you gotta tell them a story they care about.

Now I always liked NTRPG but always found it too dark and bleak. I think Aperature is going for a less bleak version and a more kinky version of that brand of NTR. But it is trying to create a really interesting world that you care for. Another game I can think of who did that was Kubels Choker Disease. People were lamenting that the romance plot was so good they were sorry that it was a NTR game. I really like that, cause it makes the impact of what happens a lot more intense.

 

[Zeref@123#]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But for me personally, a good romance makes for a very good NTR story. If I wanted a story where the girl is just slut fucking around or the MC is just a pathetic looser who has no self-esteem and who isnt attractive to anyone anyway there is plenty of NTS games or games outside of the NTR genre that are applicable.

(This style of) NTR is about creating a bond between two people and ripping it apart by the hand of a third party.
The dev wants to make a NTR story where a good romance is being ripped apart by the evil machinations of a powerful third party, playing with elements like coercion, manipulation, power-imbalance, (male) dominance, corruption, hidden cheating, etc.

That is the primary focus of this game. And for anybody who is into that specific brand of NTR this will be a great game if dev keeps developing the way they do.

I agree that even tho Im a fan of NTR I want the romance to play out. If enough people are into it dev said they would be interested in making a love route after the NTR stuff is done.

To me that is the best way to do it, because any additional routes/paths like NTS or pure love will make the development infinitely longer or lower the quality and density of the story and presentation (scenes and CG ratio). So the dev focusing onone path for now and then at some point asking the audience if they want another path as well down the line imo is the way to go. Good vision, good focus.

For anybody who does not know games like NTRPG, even though the stories are tragic and sad in some aspects, maybe even depressing, they are some of the best of the entire genre exactly because they evoke these emotions from people. You want to get people's attention and have them be invested into your game beyond a quick fap? Then you gotta tell them a story they care about.

Now I always liked NTRPG but always found it too dark and bleak. I think Aperature is going for a less bleak version and a more kinky version of that brand of NTR. But it is trying to create a really interesting world that you care for. Another game I can think of who did that was Kubels Choker Disease. People were lamenting that the romance plot was so good they were sorry that it was a NTR game. I really like that, cause it makes the impact of what happens a lot more intense.

Can't explained better than this.

 

[fsdkjfslkef]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But for me personally, a good romance makes for a very good NTR story. If I wanted a story where the girl is just slut fucking around or the MC is just a pathetic looser who has no self-esteem and who isnt attractive to anyone anyway there is plenty of NTS games or games outside of the NTR genre that are applicable.

(This style of) NTR is about creating a bond between two people and ripping it apart by the hand of a third party.
The dev wants to make a NTR story where a good romance is being ripped apart by the evil machinations of a powerful third party, playing with elements like coercion, manipulation, power-imbalance, (male) dominance, corruption, hidden cheating, etc.

That is the primary focus of this game. And for anybody who is into that specific brand of NTR this will be a great game if dev keeps developing the way they do.

I agree that even tho Im a fan of NTR I want the romance to play out. If enough people are into it dev said they would be interested in making a love route after the NTR stuff is done.

To me that is the best way to do it, because any additional routes/paths like NTS or pure love will make the development infinitely longer or lower the quality and density of the story and presentation (scenes and CG ratio). So the dev focusing onone path for now and then at some point asking the audience if they want another path as well down the line imo is the way to go. Good vision, good focus.

For anybody who does not know games like NTRPG, even though the stories are tragic and sad in some aspects, maybe even depressing, they are some of the best of the entire genre exactly because they evoke these emotions from people. You want to get people's attention and have them be invested into your game beyond a quick fap? Then you gotta tell them a story they care about.

Now I always liked NTRPG but always found it too dark and bleak. I think Aperature is going for a less bleak version and a more kinky version of that brand of NTR. But it is trying to create a really interesting world that you care for. Another game I can think of who did that was Kubels Choker Disease. People were lamenting that the romance plot was so good they were sorry that it was a NTR game. I really like that, cause it makes the impact of what happens a lot more intense.

that is what I talked about the MC and story is too good to be just unavoidable NTR

 

[Contra2000]

I hope that the dev will not try to make love nts ntr route out of it because that just sucks and puts a lot of pressure on dev regarding the story line.. Adding routes will just delay the development..just keep going the way it was intended to go ie ntr with bit of romance and I love this game

 

[FickenPlayen]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But for me personally, a good romance makes for a very good NTR story. If I wanted a story where the girl is just slut fucking around or the MC is just a pathetic looser who has no self-esteem and who isnt attractive to anyone anyway there is plenty of NTS games or games outside of the NTR genre that are applicable.

(This style of) NTR is about creating a bond between two people and ripping it apart by the hand of a third party.
The dev wants to make a NTR story where a good romance is being ripped apart by the evil machinations of a powerful third party, playing with elements like coercion, manipulation, power-imbalance, (male) dominance, corruption, hidden cheating, etc.

Amusingly, I'm the exact opposite. I am not a huge fan of corruption stories, even when evil machinations turn the FMC into a willing participant. My favorite NTR is the type where the FMC is a complete slut, loves the idea of cheating, loves to gaslight the MC. I don't really like bulls in NTS or NTR either. I want a girl who's the town slut, who's getting gangbanged at parties, who gets off on sneaking around but gets emotionally attached to no one but the MC. But I also don't want an MC who's a pathetic loser. There is very, very little out there for me, and what there is... not well-written by a long shot. The MC is almost always as you describe, either a pathetic loser or someone so oblivious that it beggars belief. (If you know of one that isn't NTS, let me know, cuz I haven't found it.)

That said, the world does not revolve around my very specific version of an NTR fetish. that's NOT what this game is, so it's NOT what I want the author to make. I'm super glad someone's making something you and others want. I want him to make the corruption tale he envisions, and given the level of emotional intelligence the author seems to possess, I will almost certainly be here for every gut punch that makes my stomach churn - for the story of it, not for the porn of it.

 

[SamuraiFruitPunch88]

Amusingly, I'm the exact opposite. I am not a huge fan of corruption stories, even when evil machinations turn the FMC into a willing participant. My favorite NTR is the type where the FMC is a complete slut, loves the idea of cheating, loves to gaslight the MC. I don't really like bulls in NTS or NTR either. I want a girl who's the town slut, who's getting gangbanged at parties, who gets off on sneaking around but gets emotionally attached to no one but the MC. But I also don't want an MC who's a pathetic loser. There is very, very little out there for me, and what there is... not well-written by a long shot. The MC is almost always as you describe, either a pathetic loser or someone so oblivious that it beggars belief. (If you know of one that isn't NTS, let me know, cuz I haven't found it.)

That said, the world does not revolve around my very specific version of an NTR fetish. that's NOT what this game is, so it's NOT what I want the author to make. I'm super glad someone's making something you and others want. I want him to make the corruption tale he envisions, and given the level of emotional intelligence the author seems to possess, I will almost certainly be here for every gut punch that makes my stomach churn - for the story of it, not for the porn of it.

Man, I recommend you to read "Everyone but him" by ElleAira in Chyoa. It's unfortunately abandoned, but what's written fits like a glove to your preference.

 

[FickenPlayen]

Man, I recommend you to read "Everyone but him" by ElleAira in Chyoa. It's unfortunately abandoned, but what's written fits like a glove to your preference.

I'm not so much into text-only erotic novels... or fantasy settings... but you know what? I'll give it a shot. If I get to the end and become anguished because it's abandoned, I'm totally blaming you for my suffering.

 

[SamuraiFruitPunch88]

I'm not so much into text-only erotic novels... or fantasy settings... but you know what? I'll give it a shot. If I get to the end and become anguished because it's abandoned, I'm totally blaming you for my suffering.

Oh, don't worry. You are totally going to be pissed when you get to the end. The novel had so much potential that anguish is totally going to overwhelm you.

 

[FickenPlayen]

Oh, don't worry. You are totally going to be pissed when you get to the end. The novel had so much potential that anguish is totally going to overwhelm you.

Well, fuck you in advance then. Also thanks for the reco

 

[FickenPlayen]

Oh, don't worry. You are totally going to be pissed when you get to the end. The novel had so much potential that anguish is totally going to overwhelm you.

So, the writing was quite good, but... aside from the guy at the very beginning, the story is entirely about her and one other dude. That guy is absolutely a bull, Yumi has a protracted affair with him, and they get quite close and affectionate in the process. Definitely not the raging gangbang sex-crazed town slut I was looking for. Very much not my jam, but I still appreciate the suggestion. It was a good read either way.

 

[SamuraiFruitPunch88]

So, the writing was quite good, but... aside from the guy at the very beginning, the story is entirely about her and one other dude. That guy is absolutely a bull, Yumi has a protracted affair with him, and they get quite close and affectionate in the process. Definitely not the raging gangbang sex-crazed town slut I was looking for. Very much not my jam, but I still appreciate the suggestion. It was a good read either way.

Yeah, the town slut aspect is more prevalent in the what-if chapters and the short bits about her past. I can see why you didn't like it.

 

[KazaGi]

hope there was a h-scene with the mom

 

[Zeref@123#]

hope there was a h-scene with the mom

You will get that surely in next update. (Dev's plan)

 

[Ragnar]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But for me personally, a good romance makes for a very good NTR story. If I wanted a story where the girl is just slut fucking around or the MC is just a pathetic looser who has no self-esteem and who isnt attractive to anyone anyway there is plenty of NTS games or games outside of the NTR genre that are applicable.

(This style of) NTR is about creating a bond between two people and ripping it apart by the hand of a third party.
The dev wants to make a NTR story where a good romance is being ripped apart by the evil machinations of a powerful third party, playing with elements like coercion, manipulation, power-imbalance, (male) dominance, corruption, hidden cheating, etc.

That is the primary focus of this game. And for anybody who is into that specific brand of NTR this will be a great game if dev keeps developing the way they do.

I agree that even tho Im a fan of NTR I want the romance to play out. If enough people are into it dev said they would be interested in making a love route after the NTR stuff is done.

To me that is the best way to do it, because any additional routes/paths like NTS or pure love will make the development infinitely longer or lower the quality and density of the story and presentation (scenes and CG ratio). So the dev focusing onone path for now and then at some point asking the audience if they want another path as well down the line imo is the way to go. Good vision, good focus.

For anybody who does not know games like NTRPG, even though the stories are tragic and sad in some aspects, maybe even depressing, they are some of the best of the entire genre exactly because they evoke these emotions from people. You want to get people's attention and have them be invested into your game beyond a quick fap? Then you gotta tell them a story they care about.

Now I always liked NTRPG but always found it too dark and bleak. I think Aperature is going for a less bleak version and a more kinky version of that brand of NTR. But it is trying to create a really interesting world that you care for. Another game I can think of who did that was Kubels Choker Disease. People were lamenting that the romance plot was so good they were sorry that it was a NTR game. I really like that, cause it makes the impact of what happens a lot more intense.

Some NTR fans like to read too much into it, to each his own. I just want hot porn situations and debauchery, like the scene in the first chapter.
If the dev wants to make a classic ntr game this needs at least one vanilla/romance route too.

 

[ryg88]

in next update

probably in about 4 months if the last gap is considered.

edit: sounds like it's gonna be faster this time according to the dev. hope that ends up being the case.

 

[Htoon]

probably in about 4 months if the last gap is considered.

Maybe also consider reading what the dev wrote, before providing "information" for others to get misinformed by.

 

[Zeref@123#]

probably in about 4 months if the last gap is considered.

He is planning to complete it by Jan end/ February (NO set date but 2 months target). He was on a job before. Now he is fully focused on the game. There were other reasons why the game was delayed so much. His main concern was how he would develop the romance plot so that corruption don't feel that fast. First he thought to continue 3-4 chapters and start the NTR plot. Now he made so many situations in chapter 2 that both Rin and Keita's relationship got good experience. Now he will start the NTR plot and he will still continue the romance development together.

 

[ryg88]

He was on a job before. Now he is fully focused on the game.

This might be a "yikes!" moment for any person with a regular job who pivots to a hobby and becomes indie. Quite a risky move in this economy.

 

[FickenPlayen]

Yeah, the town slut aspect is more prevalent in the what-if chapters and the short bits about her past. I can see why you didn't like it.

Oh hey, I didn't see the what-if chapters! Good call, I'll check them out.