Jericho85

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Would you call the Witcher games, porn games?

No, but they all have sex in them.

To call this a porn game is a gross oversimplification and an injustice to the story the dev is creating. It's an adult VN that contains sex scenes however there is far more story than there is porn.

I mean... How many creampies and facials does there have to be in a game before you admit it's a porn game? :ROFLMAO:

This is literally the first scene of this game:

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It's a fantastic story with engaging characters. And it's a porn game. Both things are true.

If a visual material contains scenes displaying explicit sex acts, then it's porn.
 
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Changed my computer about 2 months ago, my AVN library, including Artemis, was on SSDs that I had to switch to my new PC.

Mistakenly thought saves were in AVN directories, so lost most of my saves.

I have to start over most of those games, to get where they're at in their updates, in some cases, looks kinda like a chore to me, but in others, not so much.

Like Artemis.

I have to say, starting Artemis over again is a charm, damn I missed that story, those characters, started again last night, am just in the middle of Ch.2 (discussion by the japanese pond with Dr.K, she's lovable), and shit, the feels... love the fact all the characters in that game are flawed, makes them more 'normal', more 'real', as far as AVNs go, of course.

Well-written AVNs are my thing, 'I play for the story', literally, lewds are simply bonuses, nothing more, but becomes way more when the writing/build-up is up to par.

Obviously didn't play the new update yet, but I see some people unhappy there's only 1 lewd scene in it... and I'm a bit baffled by this. Are you seriously playing a game like Artemis for sex scenes ?
You can find them in game directory, so nothing lost if you kept the games.
 
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You can find them in game directory, so nothing lost if you kept the games.
Thanks, yeah I still have some of them, but lost others, don't know why.

Not that big of a deal to be honest, even though I said it looked like a chore, if I enjoy(ed) something, I usually can put my memory on hold, kinda, and don't have trouble re-living something fully.

Anyway thanks !
 

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Dear digi.B, if you download only the update and want to play again from the beginning to see the new reworked parts, they don't work (white screen, only the dialogues on the screen and the name of the scene at the top) and moreover some mp3 tracks are missing (3 or 4 in the chapter 3, if I remember correctly) and the game crashes to desktop. In the prologue, if you try to save (only in the prologue), the game doesn't do so due to the inability to write the save correctly with an error in the "time" option on the save itself. So I had to re-download the entire game :cry:, to avoid the missing parts. Everything is solved ;), except the problem of generating the save in the prologue.
For the rest it is one of the most beautiful, deep and fun games I have ever played (y).
 
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somedude321

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Such an awesome update !
Interacting with Artemis was everything I wanted and more. She's cute, she's learning and there's a lot of hiccups along the way. Just perfect.
The moments with her and Kindra are just amazing ; and since I didn't chase after anyone else, I dunno how the evening with the other girls went but I'm betting on great.
Only problem, Zelda is hurt.... I hope there's still someway to be friend with her. If it was not for Kindra, Zelda would've been my N°1 (equal with June)

Side note on the animations (especially the Kindra foreplay and the satellite one) : simply gorgeous ; some of the best animations I've seen on any VN.

I'm also pissed that Vulvamort was able to get some of Koko's old code... I hope she choke on it :giggle:

Anyway, a smaller cliffhanger but it'll serve as a catalyst to bring Initium Vitas into the fold.
I'm so hyped for what's next.


So as always, big thanks and kudos to digi.B ; truly a masterpiece just like that other VN that updated some days ago thatI won't name to not be banned

I wouldn't worry about the code, it's written in Python.

All jokes put aside, she'll probably get it working with that code. However I don't think it will be anywhere near Artemis levels, so they'll rush a release on the bots and end up humiliated by MC and Kindra.
 

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All jokes put aside, she'll probably get it working with that code. However I don't think it will be anywhere near Artemis levels, so they'll rush a release on the bots and end up humiliated by MC and Kindra.
Or, they'll have a working prototype of a dog and, at the expo, it's very friendly with Aiden and Kindra, refusing to leave their sides :D
 

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I mean... How many creampies and facials does there have to be in a game before you admit it's a porn game? :ROFLMAO:

This is literally the first scene of this game:

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It's a fantastic story with engaging characters. And it's a porn game. Both things are true.

If a visual material contains scenes displaying explicit sex acts, then it's porn.
A porn game is when porn is the point of the story, this isn't.

Those Miel games are porn games. If the dev scrapped most of the story and those thousands of renders per update were just sex then you'd have a point.
 

somedude321

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As good as the game is and especially this update... i can't shake off the plot holes and illogical aspects to the story presented with this update. It doesn't really bother me and should be expected since it's a sci-fi AVN, but still...
I don't think that's a good excuse, no reason why it can't be better.

- The warehouse was locked down like fortknox. Yet just a little later Cris, the invader, is seen running out the backdoor. Did Desmond not lock the door behind him? And why would he go in solo... the invader is stuck in there. To not have backup in that situation is insane especially since you have all the time in the world.
Yeah it's really stupid and convoluted, no shot they would try that solo. There's also no reason to. Could/Should keep it locked up and get Cops/SWAT involved. As she says, there wouldn't have been anything valuable in there if they hadn't placed Koko's old body on display there. Nor should it be of value, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have the code still running on a decommissioned device.

- Kindra is so confused why anyone would break in because "there's nothing of value" in there. Meanwhile in the same render original Koko is sitting there in the display case. Kindra has to know the AI code is on a computer chip inside his frame. That's not valuable, Kindra? And would you not check to make sure it's still there? Why is Cass so happy to receive it also. Cass literally developed that code with the MC and then contractually screwed him over for the sole proprietary rights for it. She had the code already. If she stupidly just deleted the original code... Why send mercs, just send a team of lawyers. I'm sure her corporation has the best ones money can buy. Not to mention is a previous chapter she tells the MC she didn't even use it and started from scratch. Strange how she screwed over a ten year relationship for coding she didn't even use.
She didn't have the code, nor did the MC. As he said "She forced me to delete it, and start over". Or something along those lines. So she has the code written from scratch, after Koko. Not the actually well working doggo code. Again it's really odd to leave the 'chip' in.

- The secret "safe house"... Then you find out later is was the home of Kindras uncles when they were in college. And her uncle mentions all the good memories of this place. Meaning they probably had massive parties there. Doesn't sound so secret and has no defense in comparable to the warehouse/bunker. They're also leaving the bunker that has the most advanced tech on the planet at a time when Artemis just came to life. Probably not a smart move, folks. Kindra runs diagnostics on Koko 5 minutes after revival, yet they don't do the same for Artemis??? And why did it take the MC a whole week to check her code when she clearly wasn't operating properly? He found the errors instantly.
Sometimes you find the issue instantly. Sometimes you pour over the code for hours becoming none-the-wiser. I like what they did with the V bit, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes sees what stale eyes have blinded themselves to. Considering it's written in Python it's more believable o_O.

- The mall. So you're telling me they're staying in a safe house and come up with brilliant idea to take Artemis to the mall... The most valuable asset on the planet, easily worth trillions, thrown into an environment that would likely cause sensory overload and who knows what catastrophe may happen. Right... and not only that, the MC is so careless with her that he lets a practical strange run off with Artemis while he closes his eyes on the couch. And then later Artemis walks away from him without him noticing?? Wow.
The creator really wanted an interaction with V it seems, would've made more sense to take her to the sorority if they really wanted her to interact with other people. Bit forced and rushed this way, especially considering the break-in.

- Which brings me to the super tech genius, V. So let me get this straight... She not only helped the MC with an error in the AI code, but she found it instantly... so she had to at a minimum understand the somewhat the function of the code. Then the MC strolls up with Artemis at the mall and they meet V. Quickly she finds out how unusually strong Artemis is, and has the mental ability of a 2 year old because "brain surgery"... then discovers Artemis has an incredibility advanced cybernetic arm and mentions she must have a billion dollar body. A super tech genius would be in awe right now, jaw on the floor... yet she just brushes it off like it's nothing. Some of us might have noticed in an earlier chapter, but Artemis also a belly button looking thing on her lower back that looks like something plugs in there, but the whole time in the dressing room while Artemis is shirtless spinning around V, she doesn't notice it??? V also takes notice of Artemis's eyes, which btw, make a weird flashy blink reaction everytime Artemis learns something. AFTER all that, you're telling me V wouldn't throw a million questions at the MC???? Or at a minimum some inner dialogue of "WTF???"
Already addressed the first part of your criticism above.

The 6 Billion Dollar Girl is a reference to the 6 Billion Dollar Man, who is 'enhanced by bionics'. If we extrapolate that to her reactions to Artemis, it's clear that she knows/suspects more than she's letting on. I think the author is trying to portray it as 'fishing for information' by V, but it could've been made a little more obvious. Hence remarks like the bio-luminescence lenses. I think she quickly realizes she won't be getting that information from Artemis, hence her inviting MC to her place. She's building trust. She's repeatedly telling herself to not get involved in other people's business, but it's too juicy for her not to.

If this was the author's goal this could've/should've been more visible in V's expressions. Though I don't think she's expecting "Android", she's probably expecting top-of-the-line bionics.

Side note and more controversial... i don't understand the love for Kindra. After slapping the MC for trying to save her from the bear, i lost a lot of interest in her. And in this update, she lost patience with Artemis twice and EVEN YELLED and THREATENED her for not being able to follow her poorly worded instructions. Nail in the coffin for me. Team Anti-Kindra.
Kindra is probably autistic as fuck, hence her getting really frustrated with Artemis over the box. But that also is a reference to a meme:

She also went from an easy life with no pressure, to suddenly having to be in the spotlight. It's a big change, and it's affecting her. She also wants Artemis to be ready for the Expo and she has no experience with parenting. It's a learning process for her as well.

TL;DR could've been done better, but it's not intrinsically illogical.
 

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A porn game is when porn is the point of the story, this isn't.

Those Miel games are porn games. If the dev scrapped most of the story and those thousands of renders per update were just sex then you'd have a point.
Nah. You're redefining pornography to suit your opinion. This VN contains explicit sex scenes. It's porn.

And the porn is a significant part of the purpose of this VN, whether or not it's driving the story. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many close ups of the sex acts.

Take this first image for example. One of many, many explicit sex scenes in this VN:

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The focus of the shot is on the MC's horsecock and cass using her uncommonly long tongue to lick the precum off of it. In that shot, the characters have no personality. No expressions. Even the eyes of the characters are off screen. The entire point is the sex. That image depicts an explicit sex act with the express purpose of eliciting arousal. The next choice selections after that aren't about character depth or story development but instead they are about whether you want to see MC let cass ride him cowgirl, to pound her doggystyle, or whether to spooge in her mouth. Nothing artsy fartsy about it aside from the Dev's incredible CG skills. That is definitively porn.

Now, if you were to show that image to anyone - literally fucking anyone - and then ask them whether they think it's porn, they will laugh at you for asking such a silly question.
 
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xapican

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Why is Cass so happy to receive it also. Cass literally developed that code with the MC and then contractually screwed him over for the sole proprietary rights for it. She had the code already.
If I remember well, the code of old Coco was altered after, I don't remeber if it was MC himself, or Kindra she had the Code where she contributed with the MC but not the other version, I can be mistaken as well,
 

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Quick question, can someone help me find the patreon/twitter of Puggy Animation that appeared at the very end of the build?
 

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Nah. You're redefining pornography to suit your opinion. This VN contains explicit sex scenes. It's porn.

And the porn is a significant part of the purpose of this VN, whether or not it's driving the story. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many close ups of the sex acts.

Take this first image for example. One of many, many explicit sex scenes in this VN:

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Nahh not considered porn i have seen enough dick swallowing on national tv that i wouldn't call it porn.
Sure i can understand were you coming from. If you are from a highly religious country like "America" yeah showing shoulders/ankles would be considered pornographic. In more open countries people get pass the point that showing genitals is considered porn :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

If I remember well, the code of old Coco was altered after, I don't remeber if it was MC himself, or Kindra she had the Code where she contributed with the MC but not the other version, I can be mistaken as well,
Koko's code is self learning and can rewrite itself as it learns, Same as with Artemis.
 
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Koko's code is self learning and can rewrite itself as it learns, Same as with Artemis.
Yeah, now I remeber, but this feature wasn't done by Kindra and MC, which the origianl version Cassie/ MC didn't have it? (or is it my fantasy filling the gap? time to replay i guess)
 

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Nahh not considered porn i have seen enough dick swallowing on national tv that i wouldn't call it porn.
Sure i can understand were you coming from. If you are from a highly religious country like "America" yeah showing shoulders/ankles would be considered pornographic. In more open countries people get pass the point that showing genitals is considered porn :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Sure... totally not porn, right? Whatever lol.
 
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