VN Ren'Py Artemis [v0.6.1b] [digi.B]

[pitao]

what do you think about bringin Ava back into the VN ? and how would you do it ?

That is really a hard question and I guess for the Dev also a bit of a more personal topic now for what he experienced last months (lost my mom also 10 years ago so I know the pain).

I think it has a high probability of it happening/planned with so much focus on the memories/flashbacks between the MC and his mom, seems kind of a foreshadow event but who knows besides digi.B, can be only to give emphasis on MC background and for us to understand him better and how he was raised by her mom. But the future meeting with his father seems to indicate much more than just to understand MC character/behavior.

I have no idea how I would do it though hehe I suck at being creative (that is why my profession is more of an analytical one than creative, I love math and statistics hence why I'm a quality tech but suck at more subjective topics but enjoy them as an observer/consumer) that is why you rarely see me give my INPUT on game plots/story theory hehe I usually suck at it but love to read others views and imagination.

You're absolutely right. Cooing should be a sound in the game, and we shouldn't have to imagine it in our heads.

Yeah gino, digi.B has the sounds from 2 actresses he hired for the cooing sounds but have to apply them and sync with the renders (as he posted on patreon I guess and someone reposted here when v0.6.0 went live). Probably still didn't had enough time to do it properly, this last patch had some bugs to fix also and that was more urgent since some of the bugs were critical like the SD card ones and the new main menu was done rendering I guess so went in also in the patch.

 

[Ciaran8023]

I mean it kind of tracks with the genius engineer/developer/scientist/whatever being exploited by the people who fund the project and i would hope Kindra is different, right? The terms at the moment make her look like the next zuckerberg which is kinda stupid as her character is the opposite of greedy and enjoys to reward aiden fairly (or way over the top).

Edit: thinking about it i guess digi could still write it like (or it could have even been intended in the first place) like something like that is part of the contract he signed

Edit 2: maybe im biased because i see artemis like a daughter to aiden and therefore want to have a voice in her upbringing. I feel like a dad without any rights to my kids life, mom is hogging everything

I don't think Kindra is in any way exploiting the MC, and I don't think that the MC is in any way feeling like he is being exploited. What I do think has been happening is that having them work on a project together has somewhat teleported them back (in their mind) to their childhoods. They're just tinkering and learning as they're going, entirely consumed with Artemis without any real thought paid to background noise until (as noted earlier) this very latest update.
I think they were more in a 'two buddies locked in a garage, building shit' type space mentally, because they're both just tinkering dweebs without any real bad bone in them.


And yeah, their dynamic definitely is morphing towards the both of them likely looking more at Artemis like their child, what with both MC and Kindra taking their time and doing their best to help Artemis learn and evolve, aswell as the serious conversation they had about her potential rights in society.
I don't doubt that they'll end up having a conversation about what Artemis means to them like 2 - 3 updates down the line.

Overall, I can't see Kindra really doing anything malicious. She's had every opportunity under the sun, but what she decided to do was to support the MC the best she could and also hoping that he'd hatefuck Cassandra into oblivion (which made me laugh). I don't feel like there's any reason to worry right now, especially with Reina coming into the picture and Jude finally knowing about Artemis which will give a third voice to the entire thing.

 

[Krytax123]

I don't think Kindra is in any way exploiting the MC, and I don't think that the MC is in any way feeling like he is being exploited. What I do think has been happening is that having them work on a project together has somewhat teleported them back (in their mind) to their childhoods. They're just tinkering and learning as they're going, entirely consumed with Artemis without any real thought paid to background noise until (as noted earlier) this very latest update.
I think they were more in a 'two buddies locked in a garage, building shit' type space mentally, because they're both just tinkering dweebs without any real bad bone in them.


And yeah, their dynamic definitely is morphing towards the both of them likely looking more at Artemis like their child, what with both MC and Kindra taking their time and doing their best to help Artemis learn and evolve, aswell as the serious conversation they had about her potential rights in society.
I don't doubt that they'll end up having a conversation about what Artemis means to them like 2 - 3 updates down the line.

Overall, I can't see Kindra really doing anything malicious. She's had every opportunity under the sun, but what she decided to do was to support the MC the best she could and also hoping that he'd hatefuck Cassandra into oblivion (which made me laugh). I don't feel like there's any reason to worry right now, especially with Reina coming into the picture and Jude finally knowing about Artemis which will give a third voice to the entire thing.

I think she is exploiting Aiden kinda accidentally and unaware of it but i agree that Aiden doesnt feel exploited. And its not about money as she is very generous in that regard. But if kindra would die or change course he may would start to feel exploited by her successor. Anyyyway all of this is very much only theory as kindra wont die or go crazy.

But just to put things in perspective even if its not entirely fitting:

I mean, most parents usually start out great but often there still are disagreements and troubles along the way, divorces arent unusal in any way.

I would not want to create a family knowing i would lose any rights to my kids if me and my wifey ever divorce. Even worse in a setup where its just a (very good) female friend and we have a disagreement over something. This happens quickly nowadays. Look up how much couples broke up over political disagreements about trump for example

Some stuff simply needs to be planned even if its annoying and youre a dweeb

Anyway, its not really meant serious or this important as all these real life risks dont apply in an avn. I just think it makes a avn more immersive if its treated like it would be necessary like in reality. But its really not a big deal.

Edit: And if Vulvamort is any example, we have to assume that aiden really really sucks at assessing characters of people when they are pretty

 

[Beduin123]

In the OP in Split section it says Win/Linux. But when I download 18.6 f*cking Gb, it is just a Windows version.

Update: I have reported this issue and got a prompt response from the mod "You only wasted it if you deleted it... As you can just build yourself the Linux version with the renpy SDK."
Of course, I can build a spaceship and fly to Mars. Or I can learn programming and computer graphics and create my own game. But why do you write Linux in the OP if it is only the Windows version? And if it is a mistake it needs to be fixed, not telling the ppl to go learn RenPy SDK.

 

[Capt. Fubar]

So, he is an employee now, which means very little of his work belongs to him; all his code, robot and everything else belongs to K's company. Also, legally, he has very little rights over robot and his code because of employee status.

This is not someone with trust issues would do, he should ask for %100 ownership of robot instead. Like this: "Ok, I'm gonna finish it but I have trust issues; so, I want its sole ownership status of it. If you accept my proposal, I will work for your company."

I don't know why this shaiy bothering me so much though, it is a goddamn AVN... I WANT LOOOGIIIICCC!!!

 

[Orgitas]

So, he is an employee now, which means very little of his work belongs to him; all his code, robot and everything else belongs to K's company. Also, legally, he has very little rights over robot and his code because of employee status.

This is not someone with trust issues would do, he should ask for %100 ownership of robot instead. Like this: "Ok, I'm gonna finish it but I have trust issues; so, I want its sole ownership status of it. If you accept my proposal, I will work for your company."

I don't know why this shaiy bothering me so much though, it is a goddamn AVN... I WANT LOOOGIIIICCC!!!

He couldn't command 100% control. All the MC did was implement his code into the already existing code. K's parents did 95% of the work.

 

[Capt. Fubar]

He couldn't command 100% control. All the MC did was implement his code into the already existing code. K's parents did 95% of the work.

Of course he could, it does not matter how much of work done before, no one else can finish the project. Or cancel the whole thing and work for other company. There is no other option for a guy with major trust issues... considering he already rejected partnership.

 

[Orgitas]

Of course he could, it does not matter how much of work done before, no one else can finish the project. Or cancel the whole thing and work for other company. There is no other option for a guy with major trust issues... considering he already rejected partnership.

It's all proprietary and patented. K's company owns it through and through. MC would know this, he is not an idiot plus he said he would finish it with out claiming ownership. Also we don't know the actual details of the contract. All we know is he has been given a prestigious position with many benefits and boons. K has given him zero reason not to trust it. And, as we can observe, he has been working on his issues through out.

 

[HornyyPussy]

 

[Maccabbee]

Of course he could, it does not matter how much of work done before, no one else can finish the project. Or cancel the whole thing and work for other company. There is no other option for a guy with major trust issues... considering he already rejected partnership.

You see, there's these things called "being a good person" and "personal growth" and "putting in the work" to get over your trauma. Maybe you should think about them?

 

[gino.pilotino]

Another hope I have is that Cassandra will actually be able to use what she stole and complete her project. I would love to see a public debate between Hunter and Artemis at the expo.

 

[xapican]

Another hope I have is that Cassandra will actually be able to use what she stole and complete her project. I would love to see a public debate between Hunter and Artemis at the expo.

Would be interesting, more so because Hunter has a binary Military artificial Inteligence, with which is difficult to reason, but that would have comedy character if you ask me

 

[Capt. Fubar]

You see, there's these things called "being a good person" and "personal growth" and "putting in the work" to get over your trauma. Maybe you should think about them?

Oi, you are talkin' like commies mate. How come?

Jokes aside, if you played the game, you already knew how stupid it sounds. Stop making excuses for others please. Everyone with decent amount of intelligence find it idiotic, illogical, beyond stupid even. Anyway, you are not doing any favors to developer or writer here; we should show their mistakes and slap some sense into them. Even if they don't bother to fix this specific issue, perhaps next time...

Note: May be I'm exaggerating your intentions, you simply don't know how serious trust issues work. Well, I do and it is nothing to do with being a good or bad person. I can explain how they actually think and act with examples, I can also give you bad person with trust issues and good person with trust issues examples as well... if you ask reeeaaallly nicely.

 

[SweatyDevil]

Imagine at the expo Artemis getting curious and firing off a series of questions that Hunter can't possibly answer. As Hunter AI processes the questions, it become overhelmed, triggering Koko's code (which Cass stole.) to engage, which results in him barking like Koko. Cassandra would end up embarrassed in front of a large audience and numerous cameras.

 

[Krytax123]

Oi, you are talkin' like commies mate. How come?

Jokes aside, if you played the game, you already knew how stupid it sounds. Stop making excuses for others please. Everyone with decent amount of intelligence find it idiotic, illogical, beyond stupid even. Anyway, you are not doing any favors to developer or writer here; we should show their mistakes and slap some sense into them. Even if they don't bother to fix this specific issue, perhaps next time...

Note: May be I'm exaggerating your intentions, you simply don't know how serious trust issues work. Well, I do and it is nothing to do with being a good or bad person. I can explain how they actually think and act with examples, I can also give you bad person with trust issues and good person with trust issues examples as well... if you ask reeeaaallly nicely.

While i think you expecting Aiden to demand 100% control is over the top, i agree with you, that Aiden shoud demand something or Kindra even force it on him.

Its just a bit strange that he wasnt able to partner up with kindra because of trust issues, but working for her with no rights to his contributions is easy peasy, all gucci. Its just kind of weird.

Theres a difference between being a good good person and being stupid and naive about buisness decisions lol

You could actually turn it around and argue a good person would be worried about the future of artemis (their kid *cough*) and therefore would fight for the rights to have agency about the decisions of her future.

Buuuut possibliy somethins like that is included in the contract already or as was already mentioned by a other poster, maybe its a point in the next episodes for Kindra and Aiden to find long term solutions. They did not have a lot of time to plan everything accordingly yet (which they should have, they rushed this whole thing but thats fine).

 

[sexgamefreak]

Another hope I have is that Cassandra will actually be able to use what she stole and complete her project. I would love to see a public debate between Hunter and Artemis at the expo.

Fuck no!
You really want Cass to have success with the stolen Code?
if it wouldnt put AI in a bad light i would suggest hunter to malfunction and kill them all, just for Arti to be there and save the day(world) like Terminator style.

Imagine at the expo Artemis getting curious and firing off a series of questions that Hunter can't possibly answer. As Hunter AI processes the questions, it become overhelmed, triggering Koko's code (which Cass stole.) to engage, which results in him barking like Koko. Cassandra would end up embarrassed in front of a large audience and numerous cameras.

thats a nice thought that i would approve.
or Artemis tries "handshake" with Hunter and something unforseen happens, like broadcasting everything illegal and shady deals TWRR is doing so they get shut down and put behind bars

 

[gino.pilotino]

Fuck no!
You really want Cass to have success with the stolen Code?
if it wouldnt put AI in a bad light i would suggest hunter to malfunction and kill them all, just for Arti to be there and save the day(world) like Terminator style.

No, I don't want Cassandra to succeed. I want her to be humiliated in public. But for that to happen, she has to complete Hunter. I've imagined a face-to-face confrontation between Hunter and Artemis. I'm fine with Hunter barking too. Or anything else Digi can come up with. But I hope it's not just a trivial failure of the project.

 

[S8tern]

ok, i am trying to get a save from 0.5.1 to work (Any save from that version tbh) but al i`m getting is errors
and no, i am not using any mods or anything as of yet, wanted to see if it works before i do that
so, anyone can help with that?
or did we get a code rework that needs a new game since 0.5.1 ?
trace file here :

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[sexgamefreak]

No, I don't want Cassandra to succeed. I want her to be humiliated in public.

ok good then lets hope for SweatyDevil suggestion
because even if i want them out of the picture as soon as possible, the humilitation of Hunter just barking like a mere Dog would fit better than every "radical" solution i would have

 

[pitao]

So, he is an employee now, which means very little of his work belongs to him; all his code, robot and everything else belongs to K's company. Also, legally, he has very little rights over robot and his code because of employee status.

This is not someone with trust issues would do, he should ask for %100 ownership of robot instead. Like this: "Ok, I'm gonna finish it but I have trust issues; so, I want its sole ownership status of it. If you accept my proposal, I will work for your company."

I don't know why this shaiy bothering me so much though, it is a goddamn AVN... I WANT LOOOGIIIICCC!!!

I really didn't saw it like that, Aiden has trust issues on the part when he is officially sharing "ownership" of a work project because of what happened with Cassandra, that is what is his afraid of and what triggers the anxiety, to be stabbed in the back again in a partnership where both parties are more than just business partners with no emotional entanglements.

It is not a materialistic concern or of possession because what I see is that there is really genuine trust between them and he knows even without an official ownership on Artemis or the code etc etc that Kindra will always trust and involve him on whatever THEY decide for Artemis and their work together. He is just afraid that if the status quo between them change (being official and legally partners) that it triggers his past trauma and afraid that will happen again.

Anyway maybe my point of view is wrong (or I couldn't put in words what I really think and took about this topic) or old fashioned and probably I'm naive (or even stupid) for this world because I'm much alike Aiden in that regard, care more with emotional connections and doing the right thing than materialistic/ownership connections.