Ren'Py Ataegina Remaster [Prologue Act I] [Kthulian]

[Kadajko]

I know, right? What is it with people trying to pass off one thing and wrap it around as another thing.
lol I'm getting total deja vu from The DeLuca Family thread

What is it with people going for personal attacks, attempts to frame the argument as insincere, attempts to shut people up instead of actually acknowledging the argument? You would say ANYTHING just to not acknowledge the argument: ''This is a troll'', ''He is just trying to pass off one thing as another'', ''he just wants the game to cater to his wishes.'' ANYTHING instead of actually dismantling the argument, which should be easy if the argument is not valid.

 

[Lordfugi]

I have to !! download part Ataegina 1 to play part 2 what a brain huge nonsense





RoadWulf

if you have something to say, please say it

Why do you have to download the same game twice to play it? That means I downloaded Ataegina II to see that I can't start it. It means I have to download Ataegina I and then play Ataegina II

 

[JJJ84]

Something which I'd love to see, but I guess in the end it would depend on what Kthulian, RoadWulf and the writers team for Ataegina decides.

At least one solo-adventure with Ayna (yup, solo. So just Ayna).

We've seen Ayna a lot during our time with Act 1 and Act 2 in this game, but a lot of times we see her either;

- Be in a discussion or meetings with other Elites in the College
- In her room or in the baths in the College
- Be somewhere going around venturing with Bredita (as a duo)

Would be really nice to see her be on a questline just with the MC.
We've already had this with couple of characters (below are ones I can remember);

- Katriona
- Cerea
- Yotul
- Isabella


Just something that came into my mind, given Ayna showed MC her dragon when he asks her about it, how about an event which MC shows Ayna his dragon as part of her arc?
Cause from what I remember, I don't think any of the Elites have seen MC's dragon yet.
She showed him her dragon, so it would be a good payoff of her meeting MC's dragon.
And who knows, they might go dragon riding together, heh.


But, I guess it will be something Kthulian and RoadWulf decides whether it is in the cards or not (if not, it is what it is).
Plus, even if a solo-adventure with Ayna happens, I'm sure it would be better than what I came up with, heh.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

I have to !! download part Ataegina 1 to play part 2 what a brain huge nonsense

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RoadWulf

if you have something to say, please say it

Why do you have to download the same game twice to play it? That means I downloaded Ataegina II to see that I can't start it. It means I have to download Ataegina I and then play Ataegina II

because they are not the same? you play Act 1, it ends, Act 2 starts where Act 1 ended and doesn't have Act 1 (or it would've been like 12GB). or do you watch TV shows out of order too? while having default start for act 2 would've been nice, I can't actually remember any renpy AVN that would do that and there are more than a few that are split into different games

 

[Nubian king]

Got it on both the good and evil path.

is she meant to be romanced? cause i find very little content of her in both games?

 

[Kthulian]

Absolutely, no problem, here is a full list of scenes I didn't like on my attempted monogamous playthrough and I will make it actually extensive, some might seem super cringe, others will be very serious. I will divide it into two categories:


Not SUPER serious but still very bad, because I consider ALL of this cheating as well, if you think it is not imagine your GF doing this with another dude and you would call it NTR very fast:
1) In the tavern Isabella tries to kiss you and you can deny the kiss. Later in the village she tries to kiss MC again, we can deny her again, but she kisses MC anyway - sexual assault, I know it's rofl, but it is what it is. Later in the tent she tries to kiss MC AGAIN, and here comes the very WEIRD part, you can deny her only by telling her that is because you think she is your sister, because of course MC is a horndog and would only deny her because he is not cool with incest, not because he has a GF. And then the FOURTH time MC kisses her himself. So we started out with just being able to deny her, went to being able to deny her but she ignores that and kisses MC anyway, to NOT being able to deny her at all and MC just kisses her himself, cheating on his GF.
2) He is completely chill Isabela sucking his dick in a dream.
3) He lets Lust kiss him.
4) He lets Princess Enainia kiss him and he almost has sex with her and the dialogue choice that makes him not do it he feels like he really wants to and has a kiss with her again. Not in the super serious category because it is a dream.
5) Kisses the librarian when he is back at college and he lets her.
6) Ayna kisses MC before battle with Gluttony and he lets her without objection.
7) Tenizha and another girl proposition themselves to MC and his decline is: ''Maybe next time'' As if he is a regular visitor to prostitutes. I never used prostitute services.

Very serious:
1) MC gets properly raped by Carilielle at the church. Not cool. I don't mind rape in games, I really don't. But I am not fond of MC getting raped, specially when I am trying to do a monogamous playthrough.
2) MC and Katriona giving each other oral under the influence of spores. This is another outright sex with someone who is not his GF that you can't avoid.
3) Mother has sex with MC and he goes along with it enthusiastically, and I got a strong impression that in this case it was not a dream. Keep in mind you allowed MC to deny sex in dreams before ( if this is a dream ) with Enainia, why is this one forced?

Side note:
In general MC is a complete horndog, I REALLY dislike how he constantly talks about girls being hot and not being able to resist them in his thoughts. Let the PLAYER decide who MC finds hot, don't make him a canon horndog if you want wholesome relationships to be possible. Because when MC is drooling over every girl it is cringe. Because every time a girl flirts with him or touches him, or is nude near him or kisses him he is like: ''Omg, she is so hot... I.. I..'' etc. And he is completely docile every time someone wants to have his way with him in a dream or otherwise just letting the girls touch his dick however they please and do with him whatever they want, how he is completely chill with girls just getting into the bath with him when he is naked. Sometimes feels like I am playing a slut simulator with a male MC. You might think this is nonsensical but again, imagine you have a love interest in a game like this and she is cool with other dudes beside MC kissing her, having wet dreams about them, being naked around other dudes when they get into the bath with her, constantly drooling about other dudes in her mind etc. Even if she is not outright fucking them, you would still call in NTR wouldn't you? Well when you are trying to do a monogamous playthrough it is just as bad just from the other side.

Side note about Mida:
What the hell happened to Mida throughout the whole game IF you don't ask her to be more slutty during tavern sex and don't raise her Corruption at all. She starts the game by telling Fanny to leave her alone when Fanny hits on her in the beginning if you leave her to her own devices, but later becomes super enthusiastic about sharing the player out of nowhere. Asks the player to take virginity of Koneko and is open to sharing. Why? What is the point of corruption at all? I had maximized love and zero in corruption. What is the point of these corruption points if my GF is going to be a cuckqueen regardless? Why isn't she monogamous and protective of the MC at zero corruption and max love? Though this is more relevant to ACT 2 where she becomes PROPER sharing / cuckqueen no matter your previous choices, because nothing is more romantic than your GF who you tried having a monogamous relationship with conjuring illusions of other naked girls who are not her in the bedroom, right after you denied having a foursome with them.

This is the summary of ACT 1.

Final side note: I don't think you will actually change any of that, it is too much effort only for a few people like myself that actually enjoy monogamous relationships, and just to make it clear, this is a good game, this game is very good as a fuckboy simulator. Just something for you to maybe keep in mind going forward when you make dialogues in your future projects, as a lot of these things are super easy to avoid: ''MC says no, you skip, doesn't effect the story, boom done.'' And ask MC before all the groping and kissing and nakedness starts.

I will answer this one since it was the first comment after mine, the following ones seem like more of the same so answering this one will have to suffice:

So first of all, when someone types "NTR" on a comment is automatically a red flag for me, that discussion has happened many times in the past and I'm tired of it, that's one of the reasons my active time on f95 has decreased.

Second, the game is about (MC) not his girlfriend or any other character, and just like in real life you can control your actions not the actions of others, whatever that means.

Now, the not serious stuff you mentioned.

1) Sexual assault in medieval-ish times, I wouldn't consider a girl kissing you that, but I understand your point. Do you have the choice to not kiss her yourself though?

2) It's a dream.
3) It's a dream. (I think it's the scene you point out)
4) It's a dream.
5) I need to check this one because I'm not sure what do you mean.
6) (MC) is surprised by it, he is not quite sure of what happens or why she kisses him, but we can imagine that it was because it could be their last day alive.
7) "Maybe next time" is a even more polite way to say "No thanks".

Very serious:
1) It's not MC fault, if you are raped in real life, is it your fault? Can you choose not to be raped? If your GF/Wife is raped is it NTR? Will you dump her because she cheated on you with the rapist(s)?
2) True, but if you are drugged and abused or something similiar you can't be responsible for your actions right?
3) It's a dream.

Just like in real world you can't control everything about it, or any of it if we think about it.

MC is a horndog fuck boy: I'm not even sure of what that means, but I can tell you that when I was his age in real life (and almost every other guy I knew) a hot girl could cause unwanted and involuntary body reactions on my part

About Mida, she has her own personality she is not yours to control, same for any character (Unless you can mind control them but that's a total different point) she grows older and more experienced in life, like it would be in real life, she's naturally a lesbian but for "reasons" MC is different to her.

Thank you for your words and for playing the game, I do enjoy criticism when it's due, and I respect opinions. Trust me, I'm one of those people that believes anyone should be able to say whatever they want as long as it's not a direct threat to others, as everyone should be ready to hear whatever anyone else has to say. That would solve a lot of the world issues.

I have to !! download part Ataegina 1 to play part 2 what a brain huge nonsense


Why do you have to download the same game twice to play it? That means I downloaded Ataegina II to see that I can't start it. It means I have to download Ataegina I and then play Ataegina II

You have to download Act I and play until the end. Then you have to download Act II and continue to play the game. (You can even delete Act I after this if you want) I'm not sure what's nonsensical about it

 

[Kadajko]

1) Sexual assault in medieval-ish times, I wouldn't consider a girl kissing you that, but I understand your point. Do you have the choice to not kiss her yourself though?

No you don't, you can deny her 2 times, third time she kisses MC, fourth time MC kisses her himself without a choice.

5) I need to check this one because I'm not sure what do you mean.

Just that, that librarian and MC kiss consensually.

6) (MC) is surprised by it, he is not quite sure of what happens or why she kisses him, but we can imagine that it was because it could be their last day alive.

Fair enough, just sounded from dialogue like he really enjoyed it.

7) "Maybe next time" is a even more polite way to say "No thanks".

Fair enough.

1) It's not MC fault, if you are raped in real life, is it your fault? Can you choose not to be raped? If your GF/Wife is raped is it NTR? Will you dump her because she cheated on you with the rapist(s)?
2) True, but if you are drugged and abused or something similiar you can't be responsible for your actions right?
3) It's a dream.

Fair enough, I guess if MC is raped, drugged and abused then it is not cheating. I guess I would like it more if that was optional, but it is your creative freedom. I got that you hate it when people mention NTR, just that for me the dislike of unwanted sexual acts of MC is in a way similar to my perception of NTR when it comes to monogamy. Basically I think that a monogamous relationship can be damaged from both sides. So to me what happens to MC is an absolute equivalent of Mida getting raped by a demon and blowing another dude under the influence of spores. While it would not be her fault, it is just not pleasant to see that. Though here I will say again that - I can enjoy NTR games too, this is just an analogy of when I WANTED to play a monogamous relationship. I basically have mental modes in which I play games. Sometimes I want something sweet, sometimes I don't mind something dirty, I can enjoy all types of games, but when I am in a head space where I am trying to do a romantic monogamous playthrough seeing MC getting raped is the equivalent of seeing Mida getting raped. So I mention NTR not as in I think this game has NTR, but as an allegory, it makes me feel the same way when I wasn't ready for that.

MC is a horndog fuck boy: I'm not even sure of what that means, but I can tell you that when I was his age in real life (and almost every other guy I knew) a hot girl could cause unwanted and involuntary body reactions on my part

I guess out of everything I said that is the most not important jab from myself. It is not that important.

About Mida, she has her own personality she is not yours to control, same for any character (Unless you can mind control them but that's a total different point) she grows older and more experienced in life, like it would be in real life, she's naturally a lesbian but for "reasons" MC is different to her.

Could you remind me where in the plot she goes in detail about being a lesbian?

Thank you for your words and for playing the game, I do enjoy criticism when it's due, and I respect opinions. Trust me, I'm one of those people that believes anyone should be able to say whatever they want as long as it's not a direct threat to others, as everyone should be ready to hear whatever anyone else has to say. That would solve a lot of the world issues.

Thank you too for the response. Although the conversation before with others was a bit less than pleasant, I appreciate it. You and RoadWulf did clear up some things for me.

 

[JJJ84]

Could you remind me where in the plot she goes in detail about being a lesbian?

The game does not literally say she's a "lesbian" with the term itself, but shows in several scenes that Mida is into girls moreso than guys (MC is just the exception).

Mida even from Act 1, it's been clearly established that she likes women.
There's various dialogue referring to it, with her having the hots especially for Ayna.
Heck if player gets the MC to pursue Kat (with that spores scene), then Kat says to her "How about we get Mida to hook up with Ayna so she becomes accepting of our relationship." or something along those lines.

 

[Kthulian]

1)
No you don't, you can deny her 2 times, third time she kisses MC, fourth time MC kisses her himself without a choice.

Just that, that librarian and MC kiss consensually.


2)
Could you remind me where in the plot she goes in detail about being a lesbian?


Thank you too for the response. Although the conversation before with others was a bit less than pleasant, I appreciate it. You and RoadWulf did clear up some things for me.

1) I'll check these ones, if there's no choice for the player then it needs to be changed.

2) She doesn't have to clearly state that she's a lesbian, did you clearly state that you are heterosexual during our conversation, or did I? I just assume you are, but I could be wrong.

Cheers!

 

[Kadajko]

2) She doesn't have to clearly state that she's a lesbian, did you clearly state that you are heterosexual during our conversation, or did I? I just assume you are, but I could be wrong.
Cheers!

I mean.. I judge a person by their actions if they don't state their sexuality. MC fucks girls so he is straight, Mida fucks MC and wants to fuck girls so she is bisexual. MC is an exception for most of the girls, since.. all the main ones don't fuck any other guy besides MC. If she enjoys dick she can't be a lesbian right?

 

[JJJ84]

I mean.. I judge a person by their actions if they don't state their sexuality. MC fucks girls so he is straight, Mida fucks MC and wants to fuck girls so she is bisexual. MC is an exception for most of the girls, since.. all the main ones don't fuck any other guy besides MC. If she enjoys dick she can't be a lesbian right?

lol dude, does the terminology (lesbian or bi) really mean that much to you?
Just let it go man.

I mean both RoadWulf and Kthulian have said Mida is a Lesbian, but if you think she's not, then you can think think she's not.
No need to question them about something inconsequential, which I think is a bit absurd at this point.

 

[Kadajko]

lol dude, does the terminology (lesbian or bi) really mean that much to you?
Just let it go man.

I mean both RoadWulf and Kthulian have said Mida is a Lesbian, but if you think she's not, then you can think think she's not.
No need to question them about something inconsequential, which I think is a bit absurd at this point.

Calm your tits, I am not attacking them for it. Just from the way they worded things it sounded to me like there was literally a conversation somewhere in the game that I missed or forgot about in which Mida discloses that she is a lesbian and was always attracted only to girls, and from what RoadWulf said it sounded like she is not even genuinely attracted to MC but it was because of magic, and that is why he is an exception.

 

[JJJ84]

Calm your tits, I am not attacking them for it. Just from the way they worded things it sounded to me like there was literally a conversation somewhere in the game that I missed or forgot about in which Mida discloses that she is a lesbian and was always attracted only to girls, and from what RoadWulf said it sounded like she is not even genuinely attracted to MC but it was because of magic, and that is why he is an exception.

Who said anything about you attacking them?
I'm saying this cause you seem way too obsessed about this than a person should be (from your very first post with Mida liking girls which you had an issue with before RoadWulf & Kthulian's explanation, and now with the whole leading question " If she enjoys dick she can't be a lesbian right?" lol it's pretty obvious).

And as I've said before (and it's my third time saying it in reply to you smh), the game does not technically use the term term "Lesbian". It just states in couple of instances (through flashbacks and other characters dialogues when referring to Mida) that she prefers women more than men (with MC only being the exception).
Simple as that.

So at the end of it all, why should the whole terminology and definition of "Lesbian" "Bisexual" even matter?
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter at all.
If you think Mida's a bi, just think of her as bi lol

That's why I'm saying you should let it go.
It's such an insignificant matter yet you're obsessing about it so much lmao.

 

[Kadajko]

I'm saying this cause you seem way too obsessed about this than a person should be (from your very first post with Mida liking girls which you had an issue with before RoadWulf & Kthulian's explanation

No, I started to be so interested with it after RoadWulf said and I quote, and I will hide it because he wanted to hide it that:

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That is the only reason I cared to elaborate.

If she enjoys dick she can't be a lesbian right?

Absolutely correct statement. That is common sense. Gay guys can also enjoy pussy right?

 

[HornyyPussy]

What is it with people going for personal attacks, attempts to frame the argument as insincere, attempts to shut people up instead of actually acknowledging the argument? You would say ANYTHING just to not acknowledge the argument: ''This is a troll'', ''He is just trying to pass off one thing as another'', ''he just wants the game to cater to his wishes.'' ANYTHING instead of actually dismantling the argument, which should be easy if the argument is not valid.

Because both Dev's have completely dismantled everything you said several times already......

At this point you're just coming of as obsessed, mostly saying that both dev's are wrong regarding their own game.

 

[Mike Hunt TG]

Thank you Mike Hunt TG !! Btw did you manage to fix your issue?

Didn't mess with editing saves after I was given a choice to follow Isabella instead of Yotal.

 

[wswsqa]

anyone else detect virus at compressed?

 

[imzahai]

anyone else detect virus at compressed?

no

 

[imzahai]

so um, you wanted a monogamy playthrough but you aren't on the good path....

epic logic fail.

i didn't get any of the actions with isabella that you did, until after i initiated contact with her [after getting the Tower i think]
because i am on the good path.
everything else you listed was you being thin-skinned.

WTF. why are you NOT on the GOOD path, then complaining how shyte is happening that isn't Mida centric!?

that'd be like complaining you banged Bredita because she was on top!

 

[LWtbo]

After playing the last update this MC is starting to remind me of the United States Cavalry in all those Old western movie's.
He's always arriving after its already happened and its almost too fekin late.
Not a complaint just an observation.
Just Sayin.