Ren'Py Babysitters [v0.1.2] [T4bbo]

[WuzzyFuzzy]

I do wonder how you expect to convert fans of other content and characters to subscribers if you only provide content that current subscribers want. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or anything. But it seems counterproductive to increasing your subscriber base. Like, I can see having planned content for all routes and characters for a specific version and allow voting to prioritize the order it gets done... but what will the end product look like by the end of this? Will you sell on steam, for example, tease all these other women at the beginning and when people purchase and play, they feel ripped off because they didn't get any of that content? Or am I misunderstanding you here?

Surely, it can't be a great idea to continuously allow your subscribers to tell you what kind of story you tell unless you don't care about the story, only about those monthly subscribers.

And this coming from someone who really enjoys the Lara content.

Never thought I would see the day, but will have to disagree a bit with you here, GOOML.

One of the things I've preached, posted and whined about is how the great majority of devs approach and produce these projects. Coming from a video production background, I see all kinds of mistakes they are making and one of the biggest is a lack of storyboarding. Write the story in its entirety--beginning to end. That's the first thing to do. Don't deviate from it. Storyboard the project, set a release schedule. Four meaty releases per year is enough. Monthly releases of only 5 minutes play time is just irritating to me. Finish two releases before releasing the first. That will give a cushion in case RL stuff gets in the way.

Opening the project to other genres/tags, running polls to include new content or ideas will slow down development to a crawl. People will complain, the dev becomes irritated and disillusioned leading to burnout and lack of motivation and round and round it goes with each cycle getting worse. If the dev has new ideas, write them down and save them for the next game, or create DLC after the primary project is released. No way a dev can please everyone with one project, but in my opinion the best way to grow a fan base is to finish on time and deliver what is promised. Use the second project to build on the first.

 

[T4bbo]

I do wonder how you expect to convert fans of other content and characters to subscribers if you only provide content that current subscribers want. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or anything. But it seems counterproductive to increasing your subscriber base. Like, I can see having planned content for all routes and characters for a specific version and allow voting to prioritize the order it gets done... but what will the end product look like by the end of this? Will you sell on steam, for example, tease all these other women at the beginning and when people purchase and play, they feel ripped off because they didn't get any of that content? Or am I misunderstanding you here?

Surely, it can't be a great idea to continuously allow your subscribers to tell you what kind of story you tell unless you don't care about the story, only about those monthly subscribers.

And this coming from someone who really enjoys the Lara content.

For next version there is 1/3 content for Erica, 1/3 content for Angelica, 1/3 content various paths with Lara. So I think it's pretty balanced. However, many people who hate NTR in any kind of form consider almost half of the story irrelevant, but I can't help with that. Patreon votes and messages on discord speak for itself, they love sharing, NTR... it even perfectly fits the story to have lewd experiences with babysitters in the neighbourhood (either cheating behind partners back or with partner's consent/endorsment). All we do now is telling story how it begun.

For future steam releases I will market what's in the game to find correct customers. Did you check cross promos? I don't market vanilla game.

I am just suggesting that whinning guy over there to actually be specific and take action, try to change what he doesn't like. Instead of complaining and not being specific.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

For next version there is 1/3 content for Erica, 1/3 content for Angelica, 1/3 content various paths with Lara. So I think it's pretty balanced. However, many people who hate NTR in any kind of form consider almost half of the story irrelevant, but I can't help with that. Patreon votes and messages on discord speak for itself, they love sharing, NTR... it even perfectly fits the story to have lewd experiences with babysitters in the neighbourhood (either cheating behind partners back or with partner's consent/endorsment). All we do now is telling story how it begun.

For future steam releases I will market what's in the game to find correct customers. Did you check cross promos? I don't market vanilla game.

I am just suggesting that whinning guy over there to actually be specific and take action, try to change what he doesn't like. Instead of complaining and not being specific.

Ok, so not as bad as it sounded in my head when I read it haha. Nothing else to see here, carry on!

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

I do wonder how you expect to convert fans of other content and characters to subscribers if you only provide content that current subscribers want. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or anything. But it seems counterproductive to increasing your subscriber base. Like, I can see having planned content for all routes and characters for a specific version and allow voting to prioritize the order it gets done... but what will the end product look like by the end of this? Will you sell on steam, for example, tease all these other women at the beginning and when people purchase and play, they feel ripped off because they didn't get any of that content? Or am I misunderstanding you here?

Surely, it can't be a great idea to continuously allow your subscribers to tell you what kind of story you tell unless you don't care about the story, only about those monthly subscribers.

And this coming from someone who really enjoys the Lara content.

This post sounds like it should be directed at L$P for AWAM game

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Never thought I would see the day, but will have to disagree a bit with you here, GOOML.

One of the things I've preached, posted and whined about is how the great majority of devs approach and produce these projects. Coming from a video production background, I see all kinds of mistakes they are making and one of the biggest is a lack of storyboarding. Write the story in its entirety--beginning to end. That's the first thing to do. Don't deviate from it. Storyboard the project, set a release schedule. Four meaty releases per year is enough. Monthly releases of only 5 minutes play time is just irritating to me. Finish two releases before releasing the first. That will give a cushion in case RL stuff gets in the way.

Opening the project to other genres/tags, running polls to include new content or ideas will slow down development to a crawl. People will complain, the dev becomes irritated and disillusioned leading to burnout and lack of motivation and round and round it goes with each cycle getting worse. If the dev has new ideas, write them down and save them for the next game, or create DLC after the primary project is released. No way a dev can please everyone with one project, but in my opinion the best way to grow a fan base is to finish on time and deliver what is promised. Use the second project to build on the first.

I'm not even sure what part of what I said you're disagreeing with here and a lot of what you said seems to be irrelevant to what I was talking about lol

The polls you referred to are already happening and that's what I was against with my interpretation of what was said. Because to me, it sounded like Lara content will keep being implemented and the stories of the other characters will be ignored so long as subscribers keep voting for Lara. You suggested story boarding and writing the story in its entirety... and that's pretty much what I was saying about not allowing subscribers to be the sole influence of the direction the story goes.

Alas, my misunderstanding was cleared up by the dev. So all is good.

 

[Leongen43]

Wuzzyfuzzy is a troll who always seeks to draw attention with his toxicity and annoy forum members, I know because I saw him doing it on other forums, getoutofmylab is right that no developer should be influenced by their patrons, I have no problem if the survey is about something aesthetic but if I have it if it is about the story I want to play the game of its creator not my fellow sponsors, mircom3d happened to the similar one and ended up in disaster that's why he had to restart his game

 

[xapican]

Ähem ...did I missread Wuzzys Fuzzys post ? he said somhow the same, by being against changes, and making a Storyboard.
he is somtimes to frontal, or has diametral different points of view, I don't consider him a Troll.

 

[Leongen43]

If you don't believe what I'm saying, you should check other forums and talk to their members, they will confirm what I wrote, sorry if I bother anyone but I had to say it for me there is a difference between making constructive criticism that helps improve the game and do not speak ill of the game to attract attention

 

[M12]

Need more Jess content imo

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

If you don't believe what I'm saying, you should check other forums and talk to their members, they will confirm what I wrote, sorry if I bother anyone but I had to say it for me there is a difference between making constructive criticism that helps improve the game and do not speak ill of the game to attract attention

I dunno man, I see him posting here all the time and he's always been a good dude.

 

[xapican]

If you don't believe what I'm saying, you should check other forums and talk to their members, they will confirm what I wrote, sorry if I bother anyone but I had to say it for me there is a difference between making constructive criticism that helps improve the game and do not speak ill of the game to attract attention

I had myself heated discusions with him, it is not if I belive you or not, I said I don't consider him a troll, If he is one or not nobody but himself knows for certain, I could be terribly wrong, or be right, also not saying that you are a liar, It was my opinion, at least he allways explains and defends his point of view, that was all what I was pointing out.

 

[cxx]

there are polls and "polls", on 1st all patrons have equal voting and on 2nd biggest patrons have more votes than small patrons.

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

GetOutOfMyLab
Leongen43
@ everybody else

Let's clear up a few things...

First, and most importantly, GetOutOfMyLab and I have each other's backs. He is always reasoned and helpful in his comments and advice. We have no problems with each other. My reply to him stated the following: but will have to disagree a bit

What I was referring to: I do wonder how you expect to convert fans of other content and characters to subscribers if you only provide content that current subscribers want. His opening statement lead me to believe that he wanted Taboo to grow his audience by shifting the story. Later in the post he clarified that a bit and I probably should have addressed that clarification. My intent was to assert what I've done in the past and that is to plan better, put blinders on, and plow through a project until the end is reached. Then drop back and choose the next step(s). Too many devs, IMO, become distracted by trying to please everyone and it just doesn't work.

But my apologies, GetOutOfMyLab, I did not mean to confuse the issue further. Let me know if there is any way I need to make it up to you.

Now, for the rest...

My profile is open. One can easily click on my name and look at all the posts I have made. Before you do however, a little about me. I am 60+ years of age, now retired from running a video production company. I've also dabbled in website construction and design. I have an advanced degree, have been married 30+ years to the same woman and have not cheated, fooled around or chased skirts since my youth and twenties (which I did quite a lot at that time). I do not make it a habit to be toxic, although I understand that some view anyone disagreeing with their opinion as being toxic. But again, please look at the posts I've made and I'll let you be the judge. I am not sure why that post was made, but everyone has the right to free speech on this forum (a good thing) as it should be in all our lives. If you have any problems with me, please let me know.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

sad this game is dead and will never be what the dev told us it would be 5 years ago

Are you sure you didn't mean to post on "Babysitter"? That's completed though. This wasn't even around 5 years ago.

GetOutOfMyLab
Leongen43
@ everybody else

Let's clear up a few things...

First, and most importantly, GetOutOfMyLab have each other's backs. He is always reasoned and helpful in his comments and advice. We have no problems with each other. My reply to him stated the following: but will have to disagree a bit

What I was referring to: I do wonder how you expect to convert fans of other content and characters to subscribers if you only provide content that current subscribers want. His opening statement lead me to believe that he wanted Taboo to grow his audience by shifting the story. Later in the post he clarified that a bit and I probably should have addressed that clarification. My intent was to assert what I've done in the past and that is to plan better, put blinders on, and plow through a project until the end is reached. Then drop back and choose the next step(s). Too many devs, IMO, become distracted by trying to please everyone and it just doesn't work.

But my apologies, GetOutOfMyLab, I did not mean to confuse the issue further. Let me know if there is any way I need to make it up to you.

Now, for the rest...

My profile is open. One can easily click on my name and look at all the posts I have made. Before you do however, a little about me. I am 60+ years of age, now retired from running a video production company. I've also dabbled in website construction and design. I have an advanced degree, have been married 30+ years to the same woman and have not cheated, fooled around or chased skirts since my youth and twenties (which I did quite a lot at that time). I do not make it a habit to be toxic, although I understand that some view anyone disagreeing with their opinion as being toxic. But again, please look at the posts I've made and I'll let you be the judge. I am not sure why that post was made, but everyone has the right to free speech on this forum (a good thing) as it should be in all our lives. If you have any problems with me, please let me know.

Troll post, did not read.

But seriously Leongen43, I think you're confusing members with each other.

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

Troll post, did not read.

lol...I'll remember this the next time you need help against "he who shall not be named..."

 

[girlfairdev]

One of the things I've preached, posted and whined about is how the great majority of devs approach and produce these projects. Coming from a video production background, I see all kinds of mistakes they are making and one of the biggest is a lack of storyboarding. Write the story in its entirety--beginning to end. That's the first thing to do. Don't deviate from it. Storyboard the project, set a release schedule. Four meaty releases per year is enough. Monthly releases of only 5 minutes play time is just irritating to me. Finish two releases before releasing the first. That will give a cushion in case RL stuff gets in the way.

A 100% proven production strategy that goes back to and way before my film background in the 70's. Write your story, be certain your entire story line flows through to a solid ending, and storyboard the entire project. Once that storyboard is complete, follow it like a map through a minefield.

 

[Leongen43]

I do it and it doesn't seem bad because thanks to that I can enjoy a great game that I really like and that you enjoy too, what he does is a great job and it's fair that he can get a fair remuneration in exchange so that he doesn't lose money. incentive to continue developing the game

 

[1879]

For me the best game at the moment, the whole mix suits me perfectly. Just keep going.

 

[JamesM81]

And this coming from someone who really enjoys the Lara content.

Good post as usual!

I'm precisely in the crowd that cannot stomach the Lara content. I Ctrl skip It all just to get to literally anything else. Problem is there really isn't much else that doesn't include Lara. Therefore no point in subbing to his Patreon. As much as I like the rest of the game and premise I won't be able to swim against the tide of NTR Lara lovers.

I supported this game when it came out purely off the good will from Babysitter. Now I just leech and take whatever I can get...

 

[T4bbo]

pay me money monthly to get a voice and maybe get listened to while I rake everyone else for $1,000s a month with little or no content. Lol...imagine actually believing this and paying a monthly fee.

If it's so lucrative to work 24/7 on the game (setting up scenes, lightings, poses, angles and shaders), literally whole nights letting your rig batch render animations, pay storywriter and work/discuss storylines/scripts with him, keep all variables & paths in mind, doing R&D... why don't you do it too?

Yes, I listen to people who provide value either in form of monetary support or constructive feedback, because they worked hard or clever even for those 5$/month or they have spent time playing game and giving feedback. Trolls who can't even provide normal critisism and feedback... it's waste of our precious time to even read their comments.