FoxyTails

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Obviously, the image generation talk is exciting as that is the area that has "the most to do" (Not attacking our image generators, just the fact that even the old game was missing quite a bit in that area, and some cannot even be done yet because the story and writing still isn't done), so the more activity in that regard the better IMO.
On that note, while not promising anything, it would be nice to have a little assist to know WHERE in the 'old game' there's missing content.

I know of a few such as meeting Amy in the park & going round to her place, plus there's virtually nothing for when you call guests over & I'm sure players would like to see some sort of graphics for the 3-way achievements, but any other places where players think there's a bit too much text & not enough visual elements ??
 
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Pleevy

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On that note, while not promising anything, it would be nice to have a little assist to know WHERE in the 'old game' there's missing content.

I know of a few such as meeting Amy in the park & going round to her place, plus there's virtually nothing for when you call guests over & I'm sure players would like to see some sort of graphics for the 3-way achievements, but any other places where players think there's a bit too much text & not enough visual elements ??
My gut reaction/immediate thought would be to literally go through the game in and have the code open at the same time and just paste in a "show generic placeholder image" string any place it seems like we need something, and then a hide image string where relevant after, and then create a "version" just for anyone working on the visuals. I haven't the foggiest clue if that's the best way to go about it...but its what came to mind.
 

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I came across something while in the city that in the past was not a problem. Before while in the city Cream didn't get hungry but you could buy snakes to stave hunger off. Now however it is a problem. Ice cream and fountan snakes do not have any effects on Creams hunger, So, while you are in the city or the beach you have no way to solve Creams hunger. You have to go home and that is exavtly what happened. With no warning, other that the hunger stat Sonic told Cream it was time to go home which left s lot of things undone.

If this is to remain, we need a hamburger joint somewhere in the city where you can get a burger, fries and a soda to remove Creams hunger.

On another matter that I have said in the past was this. If someone or a few good souls were going to sort of remake or do a more completion of the game then it should be done in a structured manner. Meaning, not to jump all about in different areas. For example: start at the beginning of the game, not with the idea of reworking graphics or the code but organizing the existing code in a better way. Sort of like using sub routines. Fix; add or change all the code relating to all the events that occure in the living room for example. With that done you could do everything that occurs in the kitchen and other places. If one wanted to they could also either add or change the different graphics and sprites.

I understand that the code used in Renpy is not as in depth as for example Fortran and it doesn't use sub routines but a simpler function like a call function. But, it could be structured in a way like that of sub routines. Instead of running all the code in line after line for a mile long mess with if and then it could have been structured different by putting some line space between the different options. Makeing the code easier to read and for better compiling of different stats if used.

Anyway it's food for thought, but the original intent for the post is and was we NEED a Burger Joint for Cream. If one is trying to be at least a little realistic then the current Hunger thing is in my opinion missing the boat. Cream has to eat way to often. I can remember when me and 6 sisters were kids and we did not eat the way Cream does, but then again we weren't rabbits. So, maybe so, I don't know.
 
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Pleevy

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Hunger while in the City was added. The food you can get, (snacks, ice cream, etc) should mitigate it, but (my interpretation/way to say it) the changes have been made with the intent of making things more purposeful. Meaning...you cannot just repeat the same thing over and over and over to "cheat the scores up." Anyone else can correct me if I am wrong.

Also, the addition of the car as a usable "tool" will allow for food options that are not currently in game, presumably from the house or from the city...so while it does not exists now, that is technically speaking, on the docket.

As I said...it was a gut reaction/initial thought, not necessarily the "best way" to go about doing it. But then...the best way would have been for the original creator to have finished it all those years ago...and then the whole dynamic would be different.
There are reasons it is being done the way it is, and no one here is claiming that to be the ideal game creating methodology.
 
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Pleevy

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Additional Follow Ups that have been on the to-do-list:
I had a thing with knuckles earlier in my play through and now he won't?come visit?
So, a thing with Knuckles is not meant to be the focus of the core game. In fact, what has been added is arguably above and beyond the original creator's intention...(which is something that those who are working on things now have tried to use as a maintaining mantra, the original intention...) so even what you have experienced is above what would likely be in the game if it was being finished over a decade ago. Now, that said...I have reviewed the code and can explain what is going on. There are two things that could have happened. If you botched the interaction, (tried to do x and did not have the stats/energy for it) then you pissed Knuckles off, and he doesn't want to come back. That's option one. Option two, you had a successful interaction with him to the "extreme" of that part of the content, and the way the character is being "written" is such that his intent is not to have that kind of relationship with Sonic...so you had your fling, but that's all. Again, the focus of the game is Sonic/Cream, and the Knuckles thing was an expansion of a 4th wall break indicating that the old BSC community had an issue with too much homoerotic emphasis, but it was either there before or planned to be added back in...it was opted to add it back in. Also...statistically speaking, for a game that is not meant to be homoerotic specifically, too much focus on that is likely to be more of a negative over all. If it were Babysitting Tails, or Bro times with Knuckles, then it would be a very different story.
I decided to give the 0.7 remake a go and see how things go. Right off the bat after the first scene in the living room I had to stop and do this post. For some reason things do not add up. It appears even if you open your mouth you get charged a energy deduction for talking. You can however go to the garage and find stuff then go to the foyer and find stuff and then go to the kitchen and find stuff without using the slightest amount of energy. Go to the mall for ice cream. After you summon Cream who should all ready be by you side cost energy. Choosing the Ice Cream cost $10 and the Icream another $10 but the math doesn not add up. SO you drop the first 10 and the second shows up as 10 buy you are deducted $5. If you watch the display on the left side of screen and watch the figures change you can see what's happening. Example go to move you 500 minus 10 for the bus then 30 for the movie leaving you with 460. Ice cream -10 = 450 then Cream's ice cream is -10 = 440. But NO! in fact according to the game it says -10 for Creams Ice Cream but deducts only $5 leaving you with 445.

All I'm saying is that I know what is involved in programming. I majored in COmputer Science and took ever codeing language and wrote programs with each one. Coding in time consuming, but you must check your program as you go for errors and workable. Common mistakes take place when you try to go to fast. It is very hard to go back on large anount of code to try and find a mistake or mistakes. Right now, the math does not add up. The other side of the coin is you'll get credit for Cream touch on one scene but then not on another. Example: Living room start you hug Cream you get touch other times you don't. In the movie you put Cream in you lap and sooth her tears. No points for touch.

Thing is in my opinion, energy should be deducted only from any activity, like sex playing games swiming etc. not from simply talking. Anyway, as I said, it's my opinion. At 77, I may be old, but my eyes and brain are very good.
If the rings numbers and energy numbers don't match, that will be something we can fix the code for. The more you let us know, the easier it is to find them. As for the energy to summon vs doing basic things, that is again a vestige of the original programmers decision for the game, and there is not intention to change that basic principle. (Anyone else on it can correct me if I am wrong on that.) Perhaps think of it as primarily as a remaster, but since the core game was not finished all those years ago...it is, at the same time, being updated/completed as those willing to work on it see fit, with the new content we had reference to from back then, or have reason to believe to have been part of the creator's original intent. As for the additional stats, there has been a lot of discussion about those and the new content we are making can pay more attention to them, and so a "cleanup" run through for missing stat increases is likely before an official 1.0 release. From where I am now, I do not see adding all of them to all interactions, even some that would make sense. Like the first time you go all the way...wont add touch and lust and so on, what it is doing behind the scenes is setting other things that allow other changes throughout the game, "more important" than just adding to those stats.
 

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Someone should absolutely make a "Fast summer fun with Sonic" game that is more generalized with all the Tails / Knuckles scenes. Then i can guide people that way. And avoid it like the plague it would be to me =-)

/me goes back to just wanting more BSC appropriate content for BSC
 

Pleevy

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Someone should absolutely make a "Fast summer fun with Sonic" game that is more generalized with all the Tails / Knuckles scenes. Then i can guide people that way. And avoid it like the plague it would be to me =-)

/me goes back to just wanting more BSC appropriate content for BSC
And a game such as that, with intent to be more broad, more of a choose your own partner to bone down with, would be both supported and endorsed in regard to the "I want more Sonic x 'My Favorite Character'" discussions. I would totally get behind a BST spinoff for instance...

ALSO: Depending on how this whole "experience" goes, there has been whispers of the possibility of adding MORE content after a 1.0 release of what we will call the core remake/game. This could (theoretically) include more of anyone's "favorite" content. Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, except that it has been toyed with in several of our minds.

At the end of the day, the goal is still just to "Officially Finish" BSC "proper".
 

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I just try and experience all the content the game has to offer regardless of who it is with, If possible i try 100% bsc every update
 
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Hmm weird - thought that looked close to SWP version (FYI I used SD Img2Img to create that one).

Another weird thing is if I change the prompt for 'Child/Teenager' in Img2Img - there's not much difference between pictures

Yet another weird thing, if I just use the prompt as is but change between 'toddler','child','teenager' I get these

View attachment 5124505 toddler View attachment 5124514 child View attachment 5124519 teenager

Which do you think is the best match - I think 'teenager' looks too old compared to how Tails looks as a teenager, gotta remember Cream is younger than Tails by about 2 years


View attachment 5124756 Child Ferris Wheel View attachment 5124759 Teenager Ferris Wheel


I REALLY don't understand Stable Diffusion
I agree that the teenager looks too old, when comparing these 3 i would have to say child, since toddler looks too compressed to me. Though I dont really think the teenager ferris wheel is too old, the stand alone photo does.
 

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I just try and experience all the content the game has to offer regardless of who it is with, If possible i try 100% bsc every update
Well..not that it was intended to thwart you, but as mentioned in a prior post, there are cutoffs for doing things with other characters...so you literally CANNOT 100% in a single run anymore...because there are a smattering of options that you can only get one of and then be locked out of that line of activities until a new game.

Since it is relevant to the recent discussion and any discussion of 100%ing: If you want to experience it all, I can say, when you are ready for taking the Knux event route, make a separate save before you call him over, and then reload to try the other paths.
 
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Someone should absolutely make a "Fast summer fun with Sonic" game that is more generalized with all the Tails / Knuckles scenes. Then i can guide people that way. And avoid it like the plague it would be to me =-)

/me goes back to just wanting more BSC appropriate content for BSC
I'm pretty sure there's already a game like.
 
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Honestly, I prefer the characters drawn by AvalonX, not AI-drawn ones, because AI can't produce accurate expressions and movements. For example, when Cream flirts with Sonic in the bathroom at a certain level of affection, the AI simply can't produce such a seductive expression.

But I have to admit that AI can significantly reduce the workload, so I'm not opposed to AI creations. I'm also grateful that the author is continuing to work on this game. If I really need to use AI images in the future, I'll probably choose the Foxy version shown in the post.
 
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