VN Ren'Py Abandoned Babysitting Cream: BetaMix Edition [v0.3.5] [Novilon]

[Pleevy]

Yes its lieing. There is no code training that there is a stats object, or a changed method on that object, in renpy. It should respond "i am not trained on that data" or just "i dont know". Instead it made something up and passed it off as confirmed information. A direct claim that is contrary to known information is a lie. =-)

Dictionary.com, Merriam Webster, etc definitions of lie include something like "with deliberate intent"/"with intent" in the primary definition. To use my santa example...young me telling you santa exists would be a direct claim contrary to "known" information...in quotes because young me did not know that information, young me believed otherwise. Not all "known" information is universally known. I did not know ren'py did not have a function to do with stats, my only exposure has been here.

My thought exercise is not that the information was not false, but that AI in its current form does not have intent to deceive, it is not actually thinking about the data it processes and choosing to "lie" about it, but rather its programming is such that providing an answer is the ultimate goal, even if it generates that answer from false information.

Interestingly...because of how AI works and training and models THAT point may have validity, though, it is possible that despite ren'py not having a built in function of that form and being able to be part of a training code base, it could be something that exists more than in just this little project, so an AI that can search the web to gather information when given a question could stumble on that information, or even our posts about stats code and be seeing that as the only reference, "assume" it to be "true" and pass it off that way...which is different from it truly "making up" something that doesn't exist at all anywhere.

The current 'latest' public update is v0.7 available here

What they are, I can't say..
(looking over my shoulder)

Come closer ....
(double checking no-one is near)

A bit nearer ........

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That made me smirk and chuckle. You may be worse than I am Foxy...

 

[FoxyTails]

That made me smirk and chuckle. You may be worse than I am Foxy...

Hmm, maybe .. don't worry I guess I'll get punished soon enough if I go too far

 

[Saru77]

Edit No. 2: Middle ground

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Will be implemented in next version.

Cool, that was more than I was even expecting

At @Saru77 - Nice bug catch

I try

 

[Greatlolicon]

Cream is so hot, I'm sad that this project was abandoned

 

[FoxyTails]

Cream is so hot, I'm sad that this project was abandoned

Short answer
... By Novilon - Yes
... By Fans - No

Technically it has been abandoned by Novilon however there are fans (to my count there's at least 3-5 people contributing towards this) that are in fact still developing the game to attempt to try & at least produce a 'finished' v1.0 that at least ties up the missing content (i.e the 'Mystery' story), fixing bugs (like the 'Mall's time stall glitch') and also adding content/features to the game - some that have been suggested by other fans on this thread (such as a way to extend from 7 days to 14 days)

The general idea I believe is that until a 'finished' v1.0 is ready, then it is pointless starting yet another thread for the game and that all discussions, ideas, and 'public releases - beta testing' would still be posted on this thread

The last public release of this fan continuation version - called 'Remake' - can be found here

On this post is also a changelog so you can see the stuff that's been done already, while on 'good authority' I can tell there's definitely big plans afoot for another release (ok, actually it's in this post) we're just not sure when

but also for time, as there is a lot of OTHER content still to be created to finish the game.
:
in the next release there will be a CHANCE for the strip poker to be repeated, and if it is not going to be, then the interactions will be different. I also noticed that there was a note in the code that these may not stay the final/official string of events to have the Cream x Tails x Sonic Threesome, but the goal was to have this file locked and loaded and ready so more attention could be paid to getting new graphics and finishing the new content of the game,

 

[DiceAura]

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.... So... is this a preview of a Cream Alt we'll get in the future? Because I'm all for it!

 

[FoxyTails]

.... So... is this a preview of a Cream Alt we'll get in the future? Because I'm all for it!

In game I can't say - spoilers !!

I think I am able to say safely that I have passed on some graphical attempts for some missing scenes to the developers which MIGHT appear in next update, then again they may not.

As some posters here know I've been experimenting with AI stable diffusion to try & produce graphics mainly for some scenes currently in game that don't seem to have any & I've been trying to replicate ShadowWordPorn style since we've not heard from him for a while (not with much success especially with Cream, but I like the style that I've come up with so I've stuck with it)

The one above is one such experiment. Since the poster name is 'great lolicon' I assume he likes Loli, so I googled to what a loli costume may look like & tried to describe it as worn by cream.. the picture is one of the attempts it gave (after a dozen other attempts)

AI is dum, there are times I use the same description but get different styles/pictures. E.g. Despite describing as 'child' I get images more like a young adult looking more Sonics age, while if I change to 'toddler' I sometimes get what you see which in my mind isn't a toddler..
It can take several attempts just to get 1 image that I like that matches my description closely - yet just changing 1 word can screw it all up or get close to what you wanted:


Example:

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[Pleevy]

.... So... is this a preview of a Cream Alt we'll get in the future? Because I'm all for it!

I mean...once we have the car content made, choosing the places where you can go becomes more of an open book...generally speaking..the problem is we are not trying to make the game huge...we want a complete project in the spirit of the original game...so trying to accommodate everyone, every idea, every possibility, just not feasible if you want to see it finished. Now...i will say that if the writers get on a good streak, and the key story stuff is moving well and the basics of what they have planned is moving smoothly...then I could see adding a new location, like a costume shop that you could go to and get any number of "alt Cream" possibilities...though, even if we do...I do NOT see them being usable throughout the whole game world...keep in mind..everything we write..means that much more content creation image wise...which increases the time till completion that much more each time. So I would realistically that if you do see anything like that, it would be in small isolated snippets/events...or would have to be part of project 2.0 after an official 1.0 release is complete.

 

[FoxyTails]

.... like a costume shop that you could go to and get any number of "alt Cream" possibilities

Hmm, I have an idea.
We've already got clothes shops in the Mall with a changing room, so possibly Cream could try on different costumes there
... Depending on rwc could determine the type of clothing she tries on (or it could be just random) & Sonic could 'take photos' on his phone & store then in a gallery

Ok everyone, no promises but start posting ideas of types of clothing/costumes Cream could try on, take into consideration her rwc levels & how far Sonic has got with her, & be reasonable... Can't have anything like a leather mistress dominatrix outfit in a (pre) teenager store, but could perhaps have leather skirt or jacket

- we've already have a couple in original game (same dress as she already wears but nicer fabric & an alt dress she tries on in the teenager store) & now got Loli, & I believe there's mention of a Halloween princess costume when it's a rainy day, & we do buy 'sexy underwear' which is never used - but what else ?

 

[Saru77]

Hmm, I have an idea.
We've already got clothes shops in the Mall with a changing room, so possibly Cream could try on different costumes there
... Depending on rwc could determine the type of clothing she tries on (or it could be just random) & Sonic could 'take photos' on his phone & store then in a gallery

Ok everyone, no promises but start posting ideas of types of clothing/costumes Cream could try on, take into consideration her rwc levels & how far Sonic has got with her, & be reasonable... Can't have anything like a leather mistress dominatrix outfit in a (pre) teenager store, but could perhaps have leather skirt or jacket

- we've already have a couple in original game (same dress as she already wears but nicer fabric & an alt dress she tries on in the teenager store) & now got Loli, & I believe there's mention of a Halloween princess costume when it's a rainy day, & we do buy 'sexy underwear' which is never used - but what else ?

A few Ideas I have:

• Something with Hotpants/Daisy dukes to really show off her bunny butt
• A Nurse costume. If you really wanna push it, make it so that buying it will trigger a sick day event during the 2nd week where Cream takes care of you
• Do a gag where she does sexy poses in the other girls' outfits (Amy/Rouge/Sally/Blaze)
• Can't go wrong with a Sundress/hat combo
• Get a cute dress that borders on sexy and have Cream remark that her mom has one just like it, but Vanila's shows way more skin, let it really throw Sonic off.
• This one's a maybe, but secretly buy Cream a really skimpy bikini and surprise her with it assuming you have the correct stats + already hid her bathing suit
• If you do end up with a separate costume shop, go for the classic bunnygirl hostess outfit. Or maybe have that available at Mochi-Mochi

Seriously though, please tell you guys have plans for that Lingerie, it's been ages

 

[FoxyTails]

A few Ideas I have:

• Something with Hotpants/Daisy dukes to really show off her bunny butt
• A Nurse costume. If you really wanna push it, make it so that buying it will trigger a sick day event during the 2nd week where Cream takes care of you
• Do a gag where she does sexy poses in the other girls' outfits (Amy/Rouge/Sally/Blaze)
• Can't go wrong with a Sundress/hat combo
• Get a cute dress that borders on sexy and have Cream remark that her mom has one just like it, but Vanila's shows way more skin, let it really throw Sonic off.
• This one's a maybe, but secretly buy Cream a really skimpy bikini and surprise her with it assuming you have the correct stats + already hid her bathing suit
• If you do end up with a separate costume shop, go for the classic bunnygirl hostess outfit. Or maybe have that available at Mochi-Mochi

Seriously though, please tell you guys have plans for that Lingerie, it's been ages

Well, its not really down to me on whats to include in the game but I do like some of these ideas


- Nurse costume - Standard or Sexy ??



- not sure how to include Cream wearing other girls costumes in game. May just try and attempt those & post them here just for fa... fun material

EDIT: Amy and Vanilla weren't too difficult - still needs work, struggling with Blaze,Rouge,Sally though



- a Bunny in a bunny girl outfit ??? now why didn't I think of that... NOT !! lol




- totally forgot about the Mochi shop could sell cosplay stuff, not sure how to add it to existing options though since Cream isn't allowed in the actual shop when you finally gain access unless you go down the Rouge Dom route

 

[Pleevy]

Hmm, I have an idea.
We've already got clothes shops in the Mall with a changing room, so possibly Cream could try on different costumes there
... Depending on rwc could determine the type of clothing she tries on (or it could be just random) & Sonic could 'take photos' on his phone & store then in a gallery

Ok everyone, no promises but start posting ideas of types of clothing/costumes Cream could try on, take into consideration her rwc levels & how far Sonic has got with her, & be reasonable... Can't have anything like a leather mistress dominatrix outfit in a (pre) teenager store, but could perhaps have leather skirt or jacket

- we've already have a couple in original game (same dress as she already wears but nicer fabric & an alt dress she tries on in the teenager store) & now got Loli, & I believe there's mention of a Halloween princess costume when it's a rainy day,

A few Ideas I have:

• Something with Hotpants/Daisy dukes to really show off her bunny butt
• A Nurse costume. If you really wanna push it, make it so that buying it will trigger a sick day event during the 2nd week where Cream takes care of you
• Do a gag where she does sexy poses in the other girls' outfits (Amy/Rouge/Sally/Blaze)
• Can't go wrong with a Sundress/hat combo
• Get a cute dress that borders on sexy and have Cream remark that her mom has one just like it, but Vanila's shows way more skin, let it really throw Sonic off.
• This one's a maybe, but secretly buy Cream a really skimpy bikini and surprise her with it assuming you have the correct stats + already hid her bathing suit
• If you do end up with a separate costume shop, go for the classic bunnygirl hostess outfit. Or maybe have that available at Mochi-Mochi

Agreed, we do...but again...we're not trying to mash everything into the core of the "old game." Since we know the car was meant to be part of the "finished game" from as far back as the "original" game, I see it as another item to add into the new content. Like, Cream wants to go to more than just the couple stores in the mall, since she has seen Vanilla in so much more, but the stores in the mall "are still so limited/targeted to the basic kids/teens fashion, and she wants to try out other things. *cough* It does give even more reason/function to having it, and the camera, etc. (Despite the current efforts to already include those things in content that was either partially created or added to round out/finish some of the current "old game content." I know camera has more use...but you all don't have access yet...0.7.2 additions. (Not released))

& we do buy 'sexy underwear' which is never used - but what else ?

Seriously though, please tell you guys have plans for that Lingerie, it's been ages

This I can speak to. I know there is already more purpose to having it (0.7.2 changes...so you guys don't have access....yet. But its coming with the next update at least.) Now...it may not be as big a usage as you're implying here/hoping for...but I also know for a fact that having it and having more of an exposure to it is planned with some of the car content which doesn't exist even in our hands yet.

Well, its not really down to me on whats to include in the game but I do like some of these ideas

- Nurse costume - Standard or Sexy ??

- not sure how to include Cream wearing other girls costumes in game. May just try and attempt those & post them here just for fa... fun material

EDIT: Amy and Vanilla weren't too difficult - still needs work, struggling with Blaze,Rouge,Sally though

- a Bunny in a bunny girl outfit ??? now why didn't I think of that... NOT !! lol

- totally forgot about the Mochi shop could sell cosplay stuff, not sure how to add it to existing options though since Cream isn't allowed in the actual shop when you finally gain access unless you go down the Rouge Dom route

Do we repost the Road to El Dorado Both gif again?

 

[DiceAura]

Do we repost the Road to El Dorado Both gif again?

Nah, I'm too lazy

 

[Pleevy]

Nah, I'm too lazy

Well...lazy or not, the answer to the nurse costume question is definitely both.

 

[thelastkingdom36]

Well, its not really down to me on whats to include in the game but I do like some of these ideas


- Nurse costume - Standard or Sexy ??

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- not sure how to include Cream wearing other girls costumes in game. May just try and attempt those & post them here just for fa... fun material

EDIT: Amy and Vanilla weren't too difficult - still needs work, struggling with Blaze,Rouge,Sally though

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- a Bunny in a bunny girl outfit ??? now why didn't I think of that... NOT !! lol
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- totally forgot about the Mochi shop could sell cosplay stuff, not sure how to add it to existing options though since Cream isn't allowed in the actual shop when you finally gain access unless you go down the Rouge Dom route

Oh damn! Those Nurse costumes are perfect! Lets get both lol. She wears the standard outfit or the sexy one depending on how far the sexual relationship has gone. Also the white bunny suit looks the best. The high heels and the white stockings look good. Along with that confident look.

 

[FoxyTails]

Also the white bunny suit looks the best. The high heels and the white stockings look good. Along with that confident look.

It's is weird though... I used EXACTLY the same prompt for each picture (before combining into one) with just the colour of bunny costume changed from red, black, pink then white, yet SD gives different pose for red & different shoes for all.

Don't think I'll ever figure out ai graphics lol

 

[sp1ker]

It's is weird though... I used EXACTLY the same prompt for each picture (before combining into one) with just the colour of bunny costume changed from red, black, pink then white, yet SD gives different pose for red & different shoes for all.

Don't think I'll ever figure out ai graphics lol

Try using the same seed for each - you probably had it set to "0" which randomizes it. Choose your favorite of the poses, then copy the seed and use it for the other two prompts and you will likely get something more similar.
In the future, try making 4-6 of the prompt and choose the best, then use the same seed to change outfit.

 

[FoxyTails]

Try using the same seed for each - you probably had it set to "0" which randomizes it. Choose your favorite of the poses, then copy the seed and use it for the other two prompts and you will likely get something more similar.
In the future, try making 4-6 of the prompt and choose the best, then use the same seed to change outfit.

Thanks for the suggestion however -
Nope - same seed, same settings - the ONLY thing I changed was the colour in the prompt - or so I thought.
When rechecking I notice I must've ADDED 'white high heels' to the white bunny.
Redoing black & pink I now get



HOWEVER - it doesn't explain why Red bunny pose changes, all other has 'fingers on chin' but not 'Red' despite same settings/prompt - in the original red prompt I did have 'high heels' and not 'red high heels' but even if I change that I get THIS pose instead

It's another 'just 1 word can change the scene' situation where I just don't know why



I can't see any differences between different coloured bunnies prompts - can you ??

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Oh & here's BSC 'Female Role Models - dress up'

 

[MrFluffums]

That's what's inpainting is for Foxy

The dice you roll to generate are weighted slightly differently based on the words in the prompt (pink has a different 'weight' than black, apparently). Even if you start with the exact same seed, you'll get a similar image, but not necessarely the same (because it rolls the dice on earlier generated pixels, those changes accumulate into bigger and bigger differences).

But this is what you get when you use your prompt and just use inpainting on a very sloppily repainted black Cream. Now the pose remains the same, as you only let AI repaint the parts you want to change.



Btw, I tend to get better results with Euler A instead of DPM++, and a higher resolution than your 640x1024 (I try to keep width / height under 1900 (higher than that it starts to fuck up generation), but not much less than that).

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Absolute gorgeous generations you've been sharing btw. Extremely consistent too. Glad I can finally check them out as I'm on holiday.

 

[498394082]

Thanks for the suggestion however -
Nope - same seed, same settings - the ONLY thing I changed was the colour in the prompt - or so I thought.
When rechecking I notice I must've ADDED 'white high heels' to the white bunny.
Redoing black & pink I now get

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HOWEVER - it doesn't explain why Red bunny pose changes, all other has 'fingers on chin' but not 'Red' despite same settings/prompt - in the original red prompt I did have 'high heels' and not 'red high heels' but even if I change that I get THIS pose instead

It's another 'just 1 word can change the scene' situation where I just don't know why

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I can't see any differences between different coloured bunnies prompts - can you ??

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Oh & here's BSC 'Female Role Models - dress up'

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These images are all really good. I'm more focused on Cream's expressions than her clothes, especially the first one. Cream smiles with a hint of flirtation, as if reaching a certain level of favorability, seeing through the player's intentions, and seducing them.

Since there's a swimming pool scene in the game, Cream should also have a swimsuit designed for her. I'm dreaming of a Japanese school swimsuit; it's perfect for a girl her age.

Finally, a huge thank you to everyone who's still working on this game. Thank you for allowing us to play a new game again. Finally, a quick question: will these new clothes be added in the next version? When can I expect the next version?