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[FoxyTails]

Wow! The Blaze one is really doing something for me. The stance, the smile, pretty hot not gonna lie. Anyway I like these cartoonish versions. The only couple of nitpicks I have is Sonic is to short., he should be as tall as Knuckles there. And Hershey looks like she want to still my kidney lol

As for sonic - I agree, even when I place 'tall man' in the prompt he still turns up short - there's probably some SD prompt that can make sonic taller that I haven't found yet..might even have to use a LoRA to get it.

By looking at the 'sonic dressed basic smile eyes up.png' in the game under SD 'PNG Info' I see

score_9, score_8_up, score_7_up, score_6_up, score_5_up, score_4_up, source_anime, source_questionable,
sonic the hedgehog standing alone, furry, (anthro:1.2), (blue fur:1.2), blue skin, body fur, blue arms,
(alpha91:1.2), (aki99:1.2),
sonic_the_hedgehog, green cargo pants, plain black shirt,
male anthro, standing, smiling,
semi-realistic, masterpiece, white background,
<lora:Pony Diffusion V6 - Smooth Anime:0.8>
<lora:sonic_the_hedgehog:0.6>

meaning that a 'sonic_the_hedgehog' LoRA was used & the 'Pony Diffusion V6 - Smooth Anime' was the checkpoint..unfortunately I've been looking through many Sonic Pony LoRA's on CivitAI, but none seems to have a trigger word of 'sonic_the_hedgehog'

Don't forget that the results are JUST from that default prompt with the occasional added text for clothing's etc... still don't know how they will look once trying to describe poses etc

EDIT: OK I AM CONFUSED !!!!

how is it that this

source_anime, source_questionable,
sonic the blue hedgehog, tall man, standing upright, forward view, full figure, facing front, looking at viewer, centred, 6pack,
furry, camo shorts, black shirt,
smiling, flirty, lidded eyes,
isolated on white background,

gives me



but THIS

source_anime, source_questionable,
sonic the hedgehog, standing, furry,  (blue fur:1.2), blue skin, body fur, blue arms, side view, full frontal, looking at viewer, muscular,
green cargo pants, plain black shirt, eyes open, smiling,
white background,

gives me

 

[Novaca]

Phew.. been busy. Based on deathspawn246 liking the 'cartoonish' version I thought I'd do a rouge gallery of all the characters in game & see how they all look both 'realistic' and 'cartoonish'

Here's my cartoonish versions...

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For Hershey.. well, I did my best trying to describe him/her ... yes 'Her'
- I always though the pizza delivery was a bloke but apparently

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Also for Nina.. can't find any results about her on the

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. Did find 1 reference to a fan made character for the Sonic universe but no other info - maybe a change to another character perhaps to make thing easier to produce AI Graphics ??

A couple of names I've come across often are 'Tikal the Echidna' and 'Wave the Swallow'.
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Hershey is a fan character, so I always questioned her presence in the game.

Once, I was talking to Pleevy or SWP (I don't remember exactly) and I had suggested using a character from another game or creating a new one (the new one I had created was a red panda).

 

[deathspawn246]

Phew.. been busy. Based on deathspawn246 liking the 'cartoonish' version I thought I'd do a rouge gallery of all the characters in game & see how they all look both 'realistic' and 'cartoonish'

Here's my cartoonish versions...

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Please note that for Cosmo I HAD to use a

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For Hershey.. well, I did my best trying to describe him/her ... yes 'Her'
- I always though the pizza delivery was a bloke but apparently

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Also for Nina.. can't find any results about her on the

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. Did find 1 reference to a fan made character for the Sonic universe but no other info - maybe a change to another character perhaps to make thing easier to produce AI Graphics ??

A couple of names I've come across often are 'Tikal the Echidna' and 'Wave the Swallow'.
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Thank you for taking the time to go through all of that, you didnt have to. As I said it was just my personal opinion. Honestly I like the way all the characters look with that style. Again this is just my personal opinion. For some reason when I see alot of AI characters they have this sort of glossy/shiny look to them. Example: the way cream looks in post #2537. To me its a bit off putting and weird.

I am but one player out of the many so obviously take my thoughts with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, you all are the ones putting in the work, creating the art, and helping turn this unfinished game into something much more than what it was. I have nothing but appreciation for what y'all are doing and will continue to look forward whats being created.

Thank you and have a wonderful day!

 

[FoxyTails]

Hershey is a fan character, so I always questioned her presence in the game.

Once, I was talking to Pleevy or SWP (I don't remember exactly) and I had suggested using a character from another game or creating a new one (the new one I had created was a red panda).

While I like the idea of fan made characters.. personally I'd like to stick to known characters (incidentally there WERE pandas in the sonic universe - but male.. Andy Pandatelly : from sonic cartoon and Sammy (panda): from Sonic comics)

We've got a

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(did anyone know there was a Squid character ?!?! Hmmm...tentacles), even though I've never heard of most of them - Still I've given my opinion earlier, although I missed one - Sticks the badger

 

[DarkLink]

While I like the idea of fan made characters.. personally I'd like to stick to known characters

I agree on sticking to canon characters, plus adding more characters in general can make things complicated when trying to focus on finishing/polishing the existing story.

Also, I appreciate seeing you experimenting with the AI art generation! I tried some AI art experiments myself a while back, but sadly my graphics card isn't quite up to the task of generating lots of AI art in a timely manner. I'm grateful for all the different work that's been done to get BSC closer to a finished version, and getting good art with at least close to a consistent style for the remaining scenes would definitely be my personal #1 priority for making the game feel complete!

 

[brutulf]

Just saying, I'd confess to any and all crimes if Sticks asked me nicely looking like that.

...I am not a smart man.

 

[FoxyTails]

...plus adding more characters in general can make things complicated when trying to focus on finishing/polishing the existing story.

Technically my rogue gallery of characters are already in the game (well... except for Cosmo) so I'm not actually adding new characters

I agree adding TOO many new characters would make it complicated, but adding extra graphics for existing characters scenes imho could maybe improve it... (if you look there's only like 1-2 graphics for sonic/Amy/knuckles)

Some people have been experimenting with replacement 'new' graphics of existing graphics, while (once I'm happy with my prompts & if people like the style) I'm hoping to add missing graphics
EG. you may've notice Amy isn't in her usual dress but gym clothes - that's because I'm hoping to make graphics for when you meet her in the park & get to her house.
I'm still having problems with getting suitable poses though, mine are usually side or front.

I also currently have some 'realistic' Tails graphics for when he comes over as a guest, but as you've seen in previous post when making him 'cartoonish' they look terrible, so they still need some work.

Hmm ...just thought.
Maybe we could have a policeman in park but mall security at mall when you get caught, so I could have any 2 of my suggestions added ?
Opinions ?

EDIT: new 'improved' Tails ?? - still some work need IMHO
(based on parts of 'calling Tails over' script)

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EDIT #2 Who'd you want to arrest you in the Mall ??

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Any comment welcomed

 

[DiceAura]

Okay my message didn't even complete last time wtf?!

Let's try this again! :

Phew.. been busy. Based on deathspawn246 liking the 'cartoonish' version I thought I'd do a rouge gallery of all the characters in game & see how they all look both 'realistic' and 'cartoonish'

Here's my cartoonish versions...

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Please note that for Cosmo I HAD to use a

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For Hershey.. well, I did my best trying to describe him/her ... yes 'Her'
- I always though the pizza delivery was a bloke but apparently

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Also for Nina.. can't find any results about her on the

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. Did find 1 reference to a fan made character for the Sonic universe but no other info - maybe a change to another character perhaps to make thing easier to produce AI Graphics ??

A couple of names I've come across often are 'Tikal the Echidna' and 'Wave the Swallow'.
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Comments anyone ?

Working backwards so starting with the end.
I'm a bit lost on where "Nina" started but could you possible mean the Archie Comic Character, Mina Mongoose?

Vanilla, Sonic, Sally, Cream, Blaze and Amy look great.
Tails could use a bit more detail but he's ok. Sally needs a bit of color correction. Cosmo could use a little edit here and there, like her nose. She dont have a nose.
Knuckles if iffy depending on what your doing. If your going traditional Sonic then he's too humanoid, it your going more Sonic Boom, just added some arm bandages near close to the wrist and above the elbow.
Wave, Tikal, Rouge all are too close to human proportions and there heads look too small for their bodies, especially Wave. Marine is alright but doesn't really look like Marine at the same time.
Hershey looks like a dude and not even a "anime gender ambiguous man", just a man.
The red fox police girl looks completely out of place. Might I suggest making her look like Fiona, another Archie Comic character (although character wise "police" doesn't work for her "rebellious bitch" persona but she a red fox so I'm just matching "character to design" rather then "role to personality")?

 

[FoxyTails]

Working backwards so starting with the end.
I'm a bit lost on where "Nina" started but could you possible mean the Archie Comic Character, Mina Mongoose?
:
The red fox police girl looks completely out of place.

Nope - it's definitely 'Nina' in the game (look in the game> images folder) - definitely a fox not a mongoose.
As I mentioned earlier I later discovered it's a Fan-made character not standard Sonic francize. My version is where I tried to describe the character based on the graphics in the game & what I got is what you saw.
I totally agree it doesn't match the others that is why I suggested changing the fan made character to an actual Sonic character

Vanilla, Sonic, Sally, Cream, Blaze and Amy look great.
.....
Knuckles if iffy depending on what your doing.

I'm happy with most of them, however for Sonic I was trying to go more towards ShadowWordPorn's version of Sonic that's in the game but as you saw it didn't come out right
SWP version
However in post #2541 I showed that I got a 'nearly the same' just by changing a few words in the prompt.
How I got that to work I still don't know.

My new version

As you can see, Sonic is more taller & muscular - so now when you look at my Knuckles model you may be seeing where I was trying to go

Tails could use a bit more detail but he's ok.

I'm guessing you mean in my OP - how's the updated ones look in post #2547 to you ??
They still need work though to make them look more like Tails but I think I'm getting there - although you have to remember the base story line of the game is that its happening a few years after the Mobian wars so faces 'could' change

Sally needs a bit of color correction.

Yeah I noticed - the Hair a little too red & skin a bit too light, not quite figured out exact colour matching in quotes work yet. Don't forget these are all 'raw renders' from very basic prompts.. probably if/when they get introduced into game they'll be hopefully tweaked to correct sizes etc (they all have to get the white background removed anyway)

Cosmo could use a little edit here and there, like her nose. She don't have a nose.

Good catch - I never noticed it, although 'technically' she's not in the game anyway - she's only been a suggestion for the 'mystery' storyline

Wave, Tikal, Rouge all are too close to human proportions and their heads look too small for their bodies, especially Wave.

That's SD for you, although the new style Sonic/Knuckles could also be classed the same as well.
Unless I start using a load of LoRA models I'm not sure how I'd get the right proportions.

I'm trying to keep prompts/plugins/lora down to bare minimum to try & make it easier for other fans to try & attempt to make graphics for the game to help out

Marine is alright but doesn't really look like Marine at the same time.

It's the markings, I know - still a newbie on SD (been only doing this on & off for about 1 week so far), so gotta figure that bit out & still keep it consistent when making scenes - She may have to have a LoRA included

Hershey looks like a dude and not even a "anime gender ambiguous man", just a man.
Might I suggest making her look like Fiona, another Archie Comic character (although character wise "police" doesn't work for her "rebellious bitch" persona but she a red fox so I'm just matching "character to design" rather then "role to personality")?

Yeah, it wasn't afterwards I found out that it's actually meant to be a woman but

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is the only type of reference image I can find apart from the one in game. I am/was trying to keep to the 'original cast' of the game.
If we're gong for 'character to design' - then since Hershey a cat then should be replaced with another cat... the only cat I know is

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Also I'm a little biased towards NOT using 'Archie Comics' for character reference - I never knew about the comics before (& I'm sure I'm not the only one) until I started looking into characters & the only Sonic cartoon I ever remember was 'Sonic X' - never knew about 'Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog','Sonic the Hedgehog (freedom Fighters)', 'Sonic Underground' or 'Sonic Boom' - so ideally I'm trying to stick mainly with game characters since a couple of these are mentioned in the game

 

[DiceAura]

I have no idea how to section these off...

Nope - it's definitely 'Nina' in the game (look in the game> images folder) - definitely a fox not a mongoose.
As I mentioned earlier I later discovered it's a Fan-made character not standard Sonic francize. My version is where I tried to describe the character based on the graphics in the game & what I got is what you saw.
I totally agree it doesn't match the others that is why I suggested changing the fan made character to an actual Sonic character
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I'm happy with most of them, however for Sonic I was trying to go more towards ShadowWordPorn's version of Sonic that's in the game but as you saw it didn't come out right
View attachment 5104486 SWP version
However in post #2541 I showed that I got a 'nearly the same' just by changing a few words in the prompt.
How I got that to work I still don't know.

View attachment 5104492 My new version View attachment 5104530

As you can see, Sonic is more taller & muscular - so now when you look at my Knuckles model you may be seeing where I was trying to go


I'm guessing you mean in my OP - how's the updated ones look in post #2547 to you ??
They still need work though to make them look more like Tails but I think I'm getting there - although you have to remember the base story line of the game is that its happening a few years after the Mobian wars so faces 'could' change

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Yeah I noticed - the Hair a little too red & skin a bit too light, not quite figured out exact colour matching in quotes work yet. Don't forget these are all 'raw renders' from very basic prompts.. probably if/when they get introduced into game they'll be hopefully tweaked to correct sizes etc (they all have to get the white background removed anyway)


Good catch - I never noticed it, although 'technically' she's not in the game anyway - she's only been a suggestion for the 'mystery' storyline


That's SD for you, although the new style Sonic/Knuckles could also be classed the same as well.
Unless I start using a load of LoRA models I'm not sure how I'd get the right proportions.

I'm trying to keep prompts/plugins/lora down to bare minimum to try & make it easier for other fans to try & attempt to make graphics for the game to help out


It's the markings, I know - still a newbie on SD (been only doing this on & off for about 1 week so far), so gotta figure that bit out & still keep it consistent when making scenes - She may have to have a LoRA included


Yeah, it wasn't afterwards I found out that it's actually meant to be a woman but

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is the only type of reference image I can find apart from the one in game. I am/was trying to keep to the 'original cast' of the game.
If we're gong for 'character to design' - then since Hershey a cat then should be replaced with another cat... the only cat I know is

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Also I'm a little biased towards NOT using 'Archie Comics' for character reference - I never knew about the comics before (& I'm sure I'm not the only one) until I started looking into characters & the only Sonic cartoon I ever remember was 'Sonic X' - never knew about 'Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog','Sonic the Hedgehog (freedom Fighters)', 'Sonic Underground' or 'Sonic Boom' - so ideally I'm trying to stick mainly with game characters since a couple of these are mentioned in the game

If you're going more towards more human proportioned Sonic might I suggest less "muscular" and more "athletic". Basically the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Usain Bolt. "Muscle" has always been a "Knuckles thing". Honestly the body types you got Knuckles and Sonic are mixed.

That Tails looks much better.

Honey definitely works. A bit of an obscure Sonic Girl but definitely under rated and in need of more appreciation.

So no Comic or TV Originated character? ... But Sally is both. As much as fans wanted, Sally was never put into games. The closest we got to a comic character in the games was a brief mention of "Tangle the Lemur" from Sonic in Sonic Frontiers.

Although, using only Game Character does limit a bit. I think the only characters that aren't in this game (nor already rendered by you) are Ariem from Dreams, Lumina & Illumina from Shuffle, The Conductor's Wife from Death of Sonic the Hedgehog, Maria Robotnik & the President's Secretary from Adventure 2, Princess Elise the 3rd from 06, Perci from Boom (yes she's in the game, not just the show, just as an NPC; although orignally meant to be playable), Shade from Dark Brotherhood and Sage from Frontiers. ... Come to think of it a game of this size, might be best to limit it, these are quite enough.

 

[FoxyTails]

So no Comic or TV Originated character? ... But Sally is both.

I know, but remember I said that I would prefer not to use comic/cartoon references, it doesn't mean that others fans couldn't include them.
I also said that I'd like to stick with the original BSC cast so Sally is an exception.

As for suggestion with Sonic & Knuckles, thanks for suggestion.

ATM since I've only been experimenting with SD for ~1week (well, a couple of hours a day for a week roughly), all I've been doing atm is copying existing pictures into SD 'PNG info', copying the prompts from there into txt2img, then adding/removing/changing the prompt until I get something I think is both recognisable or similar style to how ShadowWordPorn has done - but without using multiple/different checkpoints/Lora's, which he said he used

Since being a newbie, I have absolutely no idea what all those sliders do, how to make scenes/poses properly, what keywords work/don't work (no idea why sometimes I get a background even though I specifically state 'isolated with white background') or have any understanding as to why I get completely different styles/picture/layout just by changing a 360x580 resolution pic to a 480x580

Currently it's a LOT of trial & error & no guarantee any will get used

EDIT:
Difference between 'Muscular' and 'Athletic' (Muscular on left) - IMHO Muscular still looks closer to SWP version although Sonic it is hard to see differences
Opinions ??



Hmm even using a Wave the Swallow LoRA, still looks like a small head

No LoRA With LoRA

 

[seronis]

I prefer the musculars significantly more than the athletics for whatever my opinion is worth.

 

[Xel101]

so is all the art work just gonna be pure ai now or will there still be real art added in as well?

 

[Fappingfox]

so is all the art work just gonna be pure ai now or will there still be real art added in as well?

Seems to be AI primarily now, which knowing this games curse is actually a blessing

 

[FoxyTails]

so is all the art work just gonna be pure ai now or will there still be real art added in as well?

Well unfortunately the 'original art' is left over from when the original developer started the project and most probably will never come back to complete what he started,so unless there a talented artist out there that can either copy or compete with the original style then IMHO I can't see that happening..

I believe 'we' (& I use that for all the contributors since there isn't a single developer currently involved in the game) started using AI is because of this & that it's thought that with the right tools/prompts etc then anyone could make similar AIgenerated graphics to not only fill in the missing scenes in the original game, but also make it easier to add new graphics to new (possible) scenes that may appear in the game. & that way we MAY finally get a fully finished game

Of course even if we use AI generated graphics I'm guessing that we're still going to have the option of 'new' and 'old' styles.

for example
original Aval0nX style modern AI 'old' style (possible) AI 'new style'

How difficult will it be to recreate the old style... don't know - I'm still learning.
Today I've been 'playing' with Stable Diffusion's Img2Img for the first time trying to replicate some existing scenes

Don't think I've done too badly although it did take several changes to prompts before I got something similar to original (these took about 4hours) but they're still not consistent between generations, Cream seems young in some but older in others imho, even though they ALL have same 'child' prompt (in carrot toy she looks older)

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and in this new (possible) '3way' scene I tried to do she looks the same age as Amy to me


but if I change to 'toddler' (the next age group 'down') then I end up with this & Cream looks too young now

 

[Xel101]

Well unfortunately the 'original art' is left over from when the original developer started the project and most probably will never come back to complete what he started,so unless there a talented artist out there that can either copy or compete with the original style then IMHO I can't see that happening..

I believe 'we' (& I use that for all the contributors since there isn't a single developer currently involved in the game) started using AI is because of this & that it's thought that with the right tools/prompts etc then anyone could make similar AIgenerated graphics to not only fill in the missing scenes in the original game, but also make it easier to add new graphics to new (possible) scenes that may appear in the game. & that way we MAY finally get a fully finished game

Of course even if we use AI generated graphics I'm guessing that we're still going to have the option of 'new' and 'old' styles.

for example
View attachment 5106898 original Aval0nX style View attachment 5106906 modern AI 'old' style View attachment 5106935 (possible) AI 'new style'

How difficult will it be to recreate the old style... don't know - I'm still learning.
Today I've been 'playing' with Stable Diffusion's Img2Img for the first time trying to replicate some existing scenes

Don't think I've done too badly although it did take several changes to prompts before I got something similar to original (these took about 4hours) but they're still not consistent between generations, Cream seems young in some but older in others imho, even though they ALL have same 'child' prompt (in carrot toy she looks older)

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and in this new (possible) '3way' scene I tried to do she looks the same age as Amy to me

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but if I change to 'toddler' (the next age group 'down') then I end up with this & Cream looks too young now
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i see that dose make sense

 

[CyrallianG]

EDIT #2 Who'd you want to arrest you in the Mall ??

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Any comment welcomed

Honestly, knowing Styx, I doubt she'd arrest you, or even be a cop in the first place. She'd probably be a random encounter in the park forest shouting about conspiracy that everyone is being mind controlled to be extremely horny or something like that. Would be fun, especially if you could seduce her or even better, drag her and Cream into a threesome! Swallow, I could see as a Mall Cop more than the other two.

 

[DiceAura]

I know, but remember I said that I would prefer not to use comic/cartoon references, it doesn't mean that others fans couldn't include them.
I also said that I'd like to stick with the original BSC cast so Sally is an exception.

As for suggestion with Sonic & Knuckles, thanks for suggestion.

ATM since I've only been experimenting with SD for ~1week (well, a couple of hours a day for a week roughly), all I've been doing atm is copying existing pictures into SD 'PNG info', copying the prompts from there into txt2img, then adding/removing/changing the prompt until I get something I think is both recognisable or similar style to how ShadowWordPorn has done - but without using multiple/different checkpoints/Lora's, which he said he used

Since being a newbie, I have absolutely no idea what all those sliders do, how to make scenes/poses properly, what keywords work/don't work (no idea why sometimes I get a background even though I specifically state 'isolated with white background') or have any understanding as to why I get completely different styles/picture/layout just by changing a 360x580 resolution pic to a 480x580

Currently it's a LOT of trial & error & no guarantee any will get used

EDIT:
Difference between 'Muscular' and 'Athletic' (Muscular on left) - IMHO Muscular still looks closer to SWP version although Sonic it is hard to see differences
Opinions ??

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Hmm even using a Wave the Swallow LoRA, still looks like a small head

View attachment 5105954 No LoRA View attachment 5105955 With LoRA

Personally I like the Athletic Sonic & Muscular Knuckles better. Although I can't help but find Athletic Knuckles funny. Dude looks like a teen where clothes 2 sizes too big. XD

Never been a fan of Wave tbh but the right one looks better then the left... and better then the original one you post without a hat. Girl was looking bald.

 

[brutulf]

Wow FoxyTails, you're improving in leaps and bounds.

I especially love Sticks and Wave. I personally don't think that their heads are too small,but if you really want to can't you just out their heads with an image editor, enlarge that portion of the image, and then use img2img to generate a similar image but now with a bigger head?

 

[Pleevy]

I have returned, but exhausted. Will get caught up an re-insert myself......in the conversation again soon.