Can't it be both though? It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
Yeah, lol I can get wordy. Though in this instance it was probably done in the service of trying to be as thorough and clear as I could when explaining things so that I wouldn't cause confusion. Which still happens, so shows how good that was...
No worries or complaints. While the world would be a better place if we could communicate perfectly the first time, it doesn't always play out like that. But...we don't have to stop after one interaction. We can continue and clarify and get on the same page when/if we are still not.
I do appreciate this. As much as I don't like a lot of Avalon's more modern art with extra shlubby Sonic, and as creepy as his early art can be given how Cream especially looks like an artist's interpretation of a legit pre-teen human with a big bunny head on the body, it is nice to see something that doesn't look purely like either a pale imitation of the original art or generic AI-ified official art knockoffs. It has... "flavor" I guess?
Great! Just know that there is not guarantee of any particular style being 100% complete. Like AvalonX is not involved here...so only those original images will ever be under his style. Novaca has gotten very similar generated images, so if he keeps at it...then that core style will continue to grow under that variant. In the meantime, if SWP ever returns, then that one can grow some more, and Foxy is a beast and has made a bunch of stuff, so there is more graphically than ever before...and the goal is to add more with each release/iteration.
My issue was never with satisfying any sort of realistic context for Cream getting a belly full of hedgehog cum making her not be hungry anymore. Just that it was kind of annoying to have the "special treat" BJ treated as equivalent to any other feeding option only for it to do nothing. It's why I honestly don't even trigger that scene anymore because it feels like a waste of time. I just thought that maybe partially sating her hunger would provide some minimal utility for the scene. Or if you don't want to go down that road, then at least have that scene finish off with Sonic making Cream a meal as an automatic follow-up so that it doesn't become a matter of "I could feed Cream and be done with the hunger stuff, or I can get her to give Sonic a beej and then still have to call her back and feed her anyway."
I don't really think that realism about the nutritional value of semen has to be much of a consideration. The game itself cops to the insane porn-world logic of its situation when Amy and others realize how relentlessly horny and sexually open they all are and with stuff like the "special shower" where Sonic somehow manages to wank himself raw and cum like 4 or 5 times in short order so that he can do a 1-hedgehog bukkake scene. Making Cream at least think she's not hungry for the span of 1 or 2 added scenes because she swallowed a load of Sonic's creamy filling in the kitchen doesn't seem like that much of a stretch in the name of making one aspect of the game feel less like a chore.
And, now we're on the same page, or at least reading the same book - depending on how you want to look at it. Now, bear in mind, that scene and setup was all old code, not a conscious choice any of us working on it made. We just did not put priority in 'fixing' it...probably because (as evidenced by my response) we viewed it in the context I gave and just let it be as it was. It seems it is meant to be a sexual scene for sexual sake triggered from the meal menu because of the connotation of "eating" another person (Oral sex) but meant to not be a feeding event...and so if your purpose was to feed you could/would just use one of the other feeding options, either before or after, (as you mentioned) without seeing it as a big hindrance. That said...I'll add notes to my notes and we'll see if we make any changes...no promises at this time.
Yeah, I'm aware that the day assignments were from way back in the early days. I just feel like maybe those assignments aren't sacrosanct. It's not like we'd have to change the nature of the event, just the order they occur in to make things a little smoother/easier/more flexible for the player base.
I mean...I guess I can see "easier" in terms of easier to get if one is earlier in the week...but then that moves another one later in the week..why should one be prioritized over the other? Especially if (for example) the ones later have higher stat or other requirements...having them later should be best for possibility of getting because you have more time to build up to them. Now specifically looking at the cookie scenes, because of the rings need for 'it'....I can see saying it would be easier...but that is assuming going from starting rings and not wanting to bother earning more. With more time (it being later in the week and/or having more weeks) you have more time to earn more rings and be able to afford it, while also progressing other parts of the game including those that might need money spent...I would have to review each of the scenes and see what requirements are had vs. what you can get from them to see if the order is "easiest"/best (to my eye) before making a judgement call other than what we have done so far, which was leave them as they are with additional chances in the second week, and
Flexible at least makes sense...you want the player to have a choice over those scenes...though at some point you risk de-valuing everything if you always have access to everything whenever and wherever and however you want it. That is not how life works...we often have to make sacrifices to get things we want, and interestingly...I am pretty sure psychologically...they actually have more meaning when earned than when just handed to us.
Smoother you will have to clarify though...I mean...admittedly...I do not know the logic that was given to those things back then...and it may have more to do with the unwritten content they originally meant to add perhaps, or it could have just been whatever came into AvalonX's brain...I won't try to even guess at that...but maybe its the wording of smoother, but it doesn't seem any smoother to me if you change the order, unless they led into each other directly...(not really) or were requirements for each other (again not so much) and didn't have variables relating to "how far along you might be at the time (would have to check each one individually to speak specifically on each.)
Fair point about the spoiler tagged bit though. I didn't know that because I honestly rarely play the game to the completion of the week since the endings have hardly ever changed significantly. So if that solves some of the problem about the timing of events and not having enough time to make use of them, then that's fine.
Well..I know that new ending content is on the docket for a 1.0 version. Currently, there are only placeholders form them with code pointing to the old ones until the new ones are written. That wont be done for a while, as it is still being worked on how much content is going to be attempted to be added - specifically mystery story content most of which is just hinted at at the moment. (And we don't have much of anything to go off of from the original...so its all new and having to be made up.)
I feel like maybe I wasn't clear with what I meant. I'm not saying that the scene should be identical upon repetition. I don't want it to always feel like the first time (which, honestly, already happens with a bunch of other scenes. There are a bunch of instances of Cream freaking out and running away if Sonic blows his load in a shared setting like while sitting on the couch, even if she's been reamed in every hole imaginable 6 times that very day. Or the aforementioned bathroom pee-gasm scenes with Cream can always be repeated by fleeing from the pool but always unfolds as if it's the very first time every time).
Ah but see...the moment you want a scene not to be the same when repeated, you add another chunk of work to the game. Either a scene has to be written for every possible entry/exit/set of scores and stats/character involved, etc. Or...decisions have to be made about what can and cannot happen (at all) what can and cannot be repeated, and how much extra content is there to make sure it flows, or is not nonsensical etc. Now..don't get me wrong...the player experience is better the more you put into things like that, totally fair...but it also means that much more work for each and every scene. Often we are pushed into a situation of asking...what is x,y,z change WORTH against how much work it takes to achieve it. Often, if we can get things to 80% good with a fair amount of work, instead of 90% good with a whole lot of work, instead of 95% with a shit-ton of work, instead of 97% with working ourselves to death over it...we'll stick to somewhere in the 85% area...because theres a lot of diminishing returns and lack of real value. That said...at the risk of being a broken record...again...there is a lot of content that was written pre any of our involvement....I think this all fall sin that category, and TBH, no one set out to re-do every scene already in the game...I am a 'special case' coming into it wanting to change one scene specifically...and no one put up a fight about it, and even so...we left the original in the game.
What I was saying is that i dislike that the one-off scene is the only way to get a one-on-one Sonic/Cream deepthroat scene. There is no alternative or "non-first-time" variant. It makes sense that Sonic can't take Cream's virginity a bunch of times over. But this is more like if once Cream has sex for the first time Sonic could never have sex with her again at all except if you invite Sally over.
That does not sound correct to me. I will have to dig through the code and find the scene in question...if there is some broken code that makes it so you can't do much of what you should after one scene...that would be called a bug to me and we would want to fix it..even if the scene itself was not story wise changed and still "always read like a first time scene." Maybe in my time in the game I never got to said scene and never expereinced a "sexual lockout" like it sounds like you are describing...but then..no one else has mentioned it either to my awareness...so I have to assume you are the first one.
That's fair. As I said before I will look into providing something
Also fair. I will consider what I can tinker with and make work. And I would take into account what could be pulled off with existing or minimal additional art assets. The things that are present actually do provide a lot of opportunities to at least be used as "good enough" placeholder art that wouldn't need new content until there was time or motivation to make new stuff.
Well...then they might start liking you better than the current writer...the current writer has gone way out in left field sometimes creating things that there are no images for and likely never were in the minds eye of AvalonX or otherwise.
I guess the answer is... "both"? I want to help if I can get some of the stuff I have ideas about in the game and if time ends up permitting then also help beyond that. But that comes with the caveat that I would probably be of no help for things that I have zero interest in. You bring up reducing the rapeyness of the Tails scene. That's a good example: if there was other rapey content that people wanted that would not be something I would feel comfortable doing and my work would suffer as a result. I also would probably not be the best person to do totally gay/bi content because male/male stuff isn't really in my wheelhouse (which is probably a little weird considering I once pitched a complex, branching version of the Tails visit and playing in the pool that could've ended with Sonic and Tails interacting in the bathroom in a non-rapey context. I think I could probably write it if necessary, but would likely feel better if someone who has a vested interest in that sort of content did it instead just so that it's handled by someone that flavor of content appeals to).
I imagine my "in" would be in doing some things I have particular ideas about and then deciding from there if it's desired for me to continue and figuring out how I could contribute.
But this is all hypothetical at this moment. I have no idea if or when I'll be able to deliver anything talked about just based on not knowing when I could clear my schedule and find time to work on this. I don't want ot sound like I'm 100% on board with helping and doing work and then nothing happens and people think I flaked. I would honestly say that right at this very moment it's more likely that I provide nothing of value than it is that I end up becoming a contributor to the game.
Feel free to reach out by DM if you think you have time/want to do it, and that way you can synch up with what is currently "being planned"/actvely written instead of just adding random stuff...(not that it would be bad, just theres a difference in adding just for pandering sake and content that flows with/integrates into/helps progress story/etc.)
Now...Don't worry about being asked to write something outside your wheelhouse. It is recognized that the games primary focuse is Sonic/Cream (M/F) and interactions with the other ladies from the game universe. Original content of the game had the Tails scene and hinted at Knuckles scenes, and had the threesome achievements, and so it was decided in the spirit of the original, these would be kept/expanded upon/added to the game even though they had M/M content. Someone with interest in content of that sexual nature wrote it, and no one else has been asked to write or create anything they don't like to my knowledge. At worst, someone has had to write things they truly know nothing about because they have no expereince, but in the absence of having someone for sure that has the experience, (who has the willingness to write it and/or code it) for every possible scene/action/idea/content...sometimes we have to make do with what we have, or nothing will get done.
I do see the value in helping people find their way through the game. But actually writing a comprehensive guide would be a fool's errand given how complex a lot of those options are. It's easy to say "this is the one way you can get the deepthroat achievement" but much harder when there's so many ways to get Cream's dress or panties off, some of which are part of long chains of decisions that can unfold in multiple ways.
I think the closest you'd ever get to a guide for this game is either just people asking questions and getting answers as required in this or similar threads, or maybe a "here's one way and only one way to progress through the game. There are alternatives" guide which only charts one path and one option for any given multiple choice achievement/flag just so that people who are stuck can know a way to get past a potential roadblock.
Yes and no. Foxy had a pretty strong way to get to certain specific stat levels for instance from an old version that opened MANY doors once you reached that point..and tok advantage of loopholes etc. in the code. Unfortunately..many of the loohles have been fixed by key game changes that "make sense" so it is no longer viable in the same way. I see that as "the closest"...but I tink just having a place like this where the truly lost can be helpded into their degenerate ways... is going to be the "best" in the long term, even if some like me don't just spoon fed them the answer every time.
I only thought they were placeholders because I could swear in the code for those scenes there was as note at the beginning that said they were only there for now to allow for the achievement to be obtained. So I guess I didn't mean "placeholder" in the sense of "will be replaced with something entirely different eventually" but more like "does not necessarily represent the final intended product and are presented in their current limited fashion just so that there's something."
Ah, well...notes in the code are not meant to be seen by the end user/players...they are notes meant for internal development, and thus the meaning is within that context. Pretty sure I wrote that note...and it was wirtten when other things were being discussed, more scenes, expansion of other character arcs etc. things that may or may not have come into being, and may or may not ever come into being...and we just never went back to remove that note. Emphasis was put on finishing things left unfinished from the original...such as the threesomes you could never get because they were not written, but were in the achievement list, thus we knew they were intended in the spirit of the original game...so minimum....we needed those scenes to fill that, and then IF more was to be written, or replacements for that scenes because they are better...(remember me mentioning writers having to write without experience?...The one writing those scenes has regrettably never had a threesome of any kind.)...then they could be done so, knowing that this chucnk was all there was for that achievemnt.
As far as I understand from looking at the code for the journal and the point system, the code already tracks the number of times a given scene that would score points happens. It's just that it only displays as the point totals. So all that would be needed is to tweak the display code to delete the multiplication by point values. I don't have the game/code open in front of me to actually provide specific examples. I could potentially do that in the next couple of days.
And yeah, not everything seems to track properly yet. IIRC Sonic fingering Cream on the couch during the "grown-up movie" scene you can get when the characters are in their underwear doesn't necessarily trigger the "fondled Cream" achievement and may or may not add everything it should to the score system.
Fixing that seems like a down-the-line, last thing to do before a major version release where you have a master list of all the scenes in teh game and get some people to beta test all of them to see that their flags and score elements behave correctly and as expected. In other words, not really an immediate concern over other more pressing things.
There are several places where the scores are not properly tied to the written scenes. We may not be aware of all of them, but the intention will be to go through and add those little snippets of code in a future iteration. For example...all the new threesome scenes don't trigger the key score increases, because the writer did not know ENOUGH about the code and all the inner workings to put them in, and no one else went through every line of code written there (guests file over doubled in size if memory serves for example) to make sure every little things was accounted for. Now, that wrier knows more, and tries to think about those things at the time of writing, it slows things down now, but makes for less fixes after the fact. It is a balancing act.
Can't it be both though? It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
Literally just because it was amusing this way. In the set of things we truly care about in the game, it is very low on the list...if people want it back to MILF, its a single letter change, and we can do that really easily. just like fixin my typos.
Can't it be both though? It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
Literally just because it was amusing this way. In the set of things we truly care about in the game, it is very low on the list...if people want it back to MILF, its a single letter change, and we can do that really easily. just like fixin my typos.
No worries or complaints. While the world would be a better place if we could communicate perfectly the first time, it doesn't always play out like that. But...we don't have to stop after one interaction. We can continue and clarify and get on the same page when/if we are still not.
Fair. I'm going to try and keep this briefer just to focus on the important bits that warrant a real response to save time and so I can go get some dinner soon.
Care to clarify?
I mean...I guess I can see "easier" in terms of easier to get if one is earlier in the week...but then that moves another one later in the week..why should one be prioritized over the other? Especially if (for example) the ones later have higher stat or other requirements...having them later should be best for possibility of getting because you have more time to build up to them. Now specifically looking at the cookie scenes, because of the rings need for 'it'....I can see saying it would be easier...but that is assuming going from starting rings and not wanting to bother earning more. With more time (it being later in the week and/or having more weeks) you have more time to earn more rings and be able to afford it, while also progressing other parts of the game including those that might need money spent...I would have to review each of the scenes and see what requirements are had vs. what you can get from them to see if the order is "easiest"/best (to my eye) before making a judgement call other than what we have done so far, which was leave them as they are with additional chances in the second week, and
Flexible at least makes sense...you want the player to have a choice over those scenes...though at some point you risk de-valuing everything if you always have access to everything whenever and wherever and however you want it. That is not how life works...we often have to make sacrifices to get things we want, and interestingly...I am pretty sure psychologically...they actually have more meaning when earned than when just handed to us.
Smoother you will have to clarify though...I mean...admittedly...I do not know the logic that was given to those things back then...and it may have more to do with the unwritten content they originally meant to add perhaps, or it could have just been whatever came into AvalonX's brain...I won't try to even guess at that...but maybe its the wording of smoother, but it doesn't seem any smoother to me if you change the order, unless they led into each other directly...(not really) or were requirements for each other (again not so much) and didn't have variables relating to "how far along you might be at the time (would have to check each one individually to speak specifically on each.)
What I mean about making the daily events "smoother" is that it very much feels like the events were ordered more or less at random, or at least only in the order that avalon or whoever decided to add them to the game with a couple of notable exceptions. So it doesn't really take into account the way that the player is experiencing the game or what their situation might be at the given point when each event occurs.
I'm not going to put these in spoiler tags because this is pretty common knowledge by now and simply knowing when things show up doesn't really impact their value. And I know that you already know this since you're working on the game, but for the sake of anyone following along and just to keep my thoughts in order, here is the chain of daily events:
Day 1: Nothing Day 2: Free beach day (get to the beach without spending any rings) Day 3: Ice Cream Truck (option to buy ice cream to improve RWC Day 4: Carnival Day 5: Mandatory rainy day, photoshoot opportunities depending on whether or not you have the camera Day 6: Marine will stop by, selling cookies Day 7: No real event, Cream just remarks that Vanilla will be back tomorrow, with a little attitude change depending on stats or how much "progress" has been made with Cream (she's flirty of she's comfortable naked, happy if she's had her dress off and/or has a high happiness score, or sorta ambivalent if it's low-scoring at that point)
The way I look at it, the scenes should probably be arranged/ordered with 3 major considerations:
1) Is there a particular value/utility to the player by having the scene at this point?
2) Is there a plot-based reason for it to be on this particular day or this early/late in the week?
3) Does having the scene here create any sort of undue problems that might make it harder than necessary for the player to access at that point?
My thoughts are that the free beach day would be more "valuable" later in the week and Marine visiting more valuable early. Chiefly because:
1) in the case of the beach day, it doens't add any scenes, nor does it take Sonic and Cream to the nude beach, or do anything else special or different. Its sole purpose is to save the 30 rings of bus fare and a little bit of the pre-trip waffle. On day 2 you will likely still have the majority of Vanilla's budget of 500 rings unless you went nuts and took Cream to the mall right away and bought stuff like the camera or a new dress or whatever. While 30 rings saved on day 2 is functionally the same as 30 rings saved on day 6, the value of not needing to have 30 rings to go to the beach is likley greater later in the week when rings are more scarce if you've been spending them along the way.
2) On the flip side, Marine's visit has the opportunity to spend 300 rings for the highest tier reward package from her, which is going into the bedroom and having sex with her. Once again you're far more likely to have lots of rings early in teh week vs later, so having her visit on day 2 would turn that decision into a big one of "blow 60% of Vanilla's spending money to be able to plow Marine's ass and get her phone number to initiate future vists right now" vs "show some restraint and just purchase the panties or some cookies and have more rings for the rest of the week, but need to get to the Mochi-Mochi shop in order to ask Rouge for Marine's number". Comparatively, having her only arrive on day 6 means that you're very likely to not have enough cash for the top package unless you're working with foresight of the game's events so you know to save up for that day and it means that you only get Marine's number with 1 day left in the week to do any Marine houseguest events until the extended extra week (which would be unknown to a first time player).
Considering the best you can hope for in terms of daily income is probably around 100-150 rings (the once-a-day MobiusList work event is random beween 50 and 150, so it likely averages somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 because bell curves and all that. And you can get 30 rings apiece from Sally and Knuckles if they come over and have a threesome with Cream. Or 50 rings from Knuckles if you have earned significant negative moral alignment so that it plays out the original rapey threesome) that's enough to be able to constantly get extra cash for more pizza and maybe another visit to the movies every day, but would be harder to save up for the Marine event on day 6 unless you start earning extra cash almost right away and luck into not getting a couple of crappy returns. But that costs time that could be spent on Cream and feels like it's a little against the spirit of the game since Sonic is supposed to be babysitting, not coding or whatever it is that he's supposed to be doing for that cash.
Plus getting her number from Rouge requires a fair bit of time and hoops jumped through to unlock and visit the Mochi-Mochi shop, which stalls getting to that point too
(as an aside, I had considered for a while that the whole economy of the game could probably use a once-over to make it make more sense and be more flavorful, but that's a pretty low-priority issue and probably not worth getting super focused on right away instead of finishing up scenes and plot elements)
anyway, the point is if Marine visits on day 2 and the beach day moves to day 6 then it creates a smoother path for the player. They are more likely to be able to make a decision about paying for Marine's services instead of having their previous spending make the choice for them and by getting Marine's number early it makes for more time to have her come over and do threesomes or whatever other scenes could be added in the future. And then later in the week when funds are low it the free beach day becomes an opportunity to go to the beach for the first time/again without having to worry about having the money for it if sonic has been a free spender all week, which is again of more benefit to the player.
And realistically I think making that sort of change would be super easy because you just have to change the day flags for those events. Nothing about their writing is sensitive to when in the week it's happening so nothing would need to be rewritten to accomodate it.
Ah but see...the moment you want a scene not to be the same when repeated, you add another chunk of work to the game. Either a scene has to be written for every possible entry/exit/set of scores and stats/character involved, etc. Or...decisions have to be made about what can and cannot happen (at all) what can and cannot be repeated, and how much extra content is there to make sure it flows, or is not nonsensical etc. Now..don't get me wrong...the player experience is better the more you put into things like that, totally fair...but it also means that much more work for each and every scene. Often we are pushed into a situation of asking...what is x,y,z change WORTH against how much work it takes to achieve it. Often, if we can get things to 80% good with a fair amount of work, instead of 90% good with a whole lot of work, instead of 95% with a shit-ton of work, instead of 97% with working ourselves to death over it...we'll stick to somewhere in the 85% area...because theres a lot of diminishing returns and lack of real value. That said...at the risk of being a broken record...again...there is a lot of content that was written pre any of our involvement....I think this all fall sin that category, and TBH, no one set out to re-do every scene already in the game...I am a 'special case' coming into it wanting to change one scene specifically...and no one put up a fight about it, and even so...we left the original in the game.
That's all true and completely fair. I just look at it from teh standpoint of there already being a lot of instances of scenes that do repeat even though their repetition does not make plot sense (mostly from the standpoint of Sonic and Cream's behaviors not reflecting the idea that they'd done something like that before) and wonder if it would be so bad to have one more instance of that just for the sake of not having one type of content almost entirely locked out of being seen again given how things unfold right now.
That does not sound correct to me. I will have to dig through the code and find the scene in question...if there is some broken code that makes it so you can't do much of what you should after one scene...that would be called a bug to me and we would want to fix it..even if the scene itself was not story wise changed and still "always read like a first time scene." Maybe in my time in the game I never got to said scene and never expereinced a "sexual lockout" like it sounds like you are describing...but then..no one else has mentioned it either to my awareness...so I have to assume you are the first one.
I think you misunderstand. I'm using the idea of not being able to have sex again as an example to compare to how the deepthroat scenes play out right now. I'm not saying there's actually a bug where Cream refuses to have sex again after the first time.
Right now there are only three deepthroat scenes in the game, at least in terms of scenes that interact with the deepthroat achievement/flag (and again, apologies if I'm telling you thinks you know in terms of spelling out the event criteria and situations. It's just to help me stay on track with explanations and be clear about circumstances):
1) If Cream has given at least 5 blowjobs and the deepthroat achievement has not been achieved, when you do the "watch cartoons -> watch a movie -> pull up Cream's dress -> go to the bathroom to finish" sequence of events you'll get the initial one-on-one deepthroat scene. This is the one and only way currently to get the achievement for it. But because accessing the scene requires not having the deepthroat achievement which is earned at its conclusion, it can only be done once since it is Cream trying it for the first time. It is, in essence, like a virginity scene.
2) During the Amy/Cream threesome scenes in the bathroom if the deepthroat achievement is unlocked then Cream will take Sonic's whole length into her mouth/throat on a dare/bet from Amy. In the last Betamix edition this was the only "use" of the deepthroat achievemnt to unlock other scenes
3) Presumably added by you guys since you fleshed out all the Sally threesome content the Sonic-focused threesome scene has a variant that occurs if Cream has deepthroated in which Sally helps her do it again.
That's everything in which the deepthroat achievement comes up. There are occasionally blowjob scenes that use some of the deepthroat images or that vaguely describe Cream trying to take Sonic into her mouth more, but none that explicitly are written like deepthroat encounters. But in that is the issue:
Since #1 is the only time there's a deepthroat scene that doesn't involve a 3rd party (Sally or Amy) and it also locks itself out of repeating since it's meant to be a "first time" scene, there is no way for Cream to give any deepthroat blowjobs with just Sonic again after the initial scene is done. And that's a shame.
I do get what you're saying, that it would require writing a new scene or re-writing an existing secen with if/then/else branches to account for deepthroating, but I do also think that it would be relatively easy to do by modifying the standard Vanilla's room blowjob. Perhaps that will be the first thing I look into playing with in terms of making a scene as a test of whether or not I can do this.
Well...then they might start liking you better than the current writer...the current writer has gone way out in left field sometimes creating things that there are no images for and likely never were in the minds eye of AvalonX or otherwise.
lol. But honestly spreading beyond what Avalon might've done is fine. Especially if it's AI making hte images and there's more flexibility in what can be done. Because I've seen comments from the original flash version's writer on InkBunny and from Avalon and what they had plans for seems far less ambitious or broad-minded. The writer indicated that it was planned to be relatively "vanilla" (lol) and with no significant other fetishes. Which is weird considering they were also open to raping Tails. And as for Avalon, that in itself is a whole can of worms as I've seen annotated sketches from BSC development that he's posted where he prepped for Sonic/Knuckles scenes because he said people wanted it, then turned around and said beta testers reacted negatively to its presence so it was removed. But then he took the tack of blasting those people in a set of meta lines in the game where he complained about it the "homophobic side of the BSC fandom" needing it removed as if it's their fault. But then he's also said that the point was to focus on Cream and not have too much from other characters (Which flies in the face of how Sonic can freely have sex with Amy and Sally. And doubly so since he rather gleefully did the Tails rape scenes seemingly largely because it appears that he hates Tails as a character or something) And then this is capped off by a comment Avalon himelf made on the InkBunny page of MisterFluffems, the Cubsitting Simulator dev, where he claimed that BSC was not meant to be a bunny-banging simulator, but was a "social experiment" of sorts where the player is not required to initiate sex scenes with Cream but rather have the option of just babysitting her normally. Even though that flies in the face of just about every decision that seems to have gone into the game's development under him.
Basically what I'm getting at is that I think it's great to push the game's boundaries beyond what Avalon had planned. Not without some restraint, because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but including other characters or indulging in some fetishes that may not be everyone's cup of tea by are able to be accessed or not at the player's discretion creates more opportunity.
Feel free to reach out by DM if you think you have time/want to do it, and that way you can synch up with what is currently "being planned"/actvely written instead of just adding random stuff...(not that it would be bad, just theres a difference in adding just for pandering sake and content that flows with/integrates into/helps progress story/etc.)
I may take you up on that. We'll see. Maybe I will write a repeatable/accessible deepthroat scene like I was trying to argue for earlier in this post and use that as an audition/test piece to see how things go and then from there we can talk about other needs or opportunities
Now...Don't worry about being asked to write something outside your wheelhouse. It is recognized that the games primary focuse is Sonic/Cream (M/F) and interactions with the other ladies from the game universe. Original content of the game had the Tails scene and hinted at Knuckles scenes, and had the threesome achievements, and so it was decided in the spirit of the original, these would be kept/expanded upon/added to the game even though they had M/M content. Someone with interest in content of that sexual nature wrote it, and no one else has been asked to write or create anything they don't like to my knowledge. At worst, someone has had to write things they truly know nothing about because they have no expereince, but in the absence of having someone for sure that has the experience, (who has the willingness to write it and/or code it) for every possible scene/action/idea/content...sometimes we have to make do with what we have, or nothing will get done.
True. Like I said before I outlined a possible Tails-based chain of scenes earlier in this thread that led into him being involved in the sexy shenanigans in a variety of possible ways including him and Sonic interacting. It felt sort of weird to consider having to write such scenes since I don't really consider myself gay or bi in any real sense, but while I wouldn't want to go too far down that rabbit hole (or fox hole in this case) I do also suppose it would be better than nothing to be able to sketch some of those ideas out if they were deemed useful or valuable to the game and then just hope that someone else who fits into that groove a little better would be willing to punch those scenes up and flesh them out.
Ah, well...notes in the code are not meant to be seen by the end user/players...they are notes meant for internal development, and thus the meaning is within that context. Pretty sure I wrote that note...and it was wirtten when other things were being discussed, more scenes, expansion of other character arcs etc. things that may or may not have come into being, and may or may not ever come into being...and we just never went back to remove that note.
Understandable. I poke around in the code because it helps me learn about and grasp the mechanics of the game from a devleopmental standpoint and because I figured that in a sitaution like this where we're talking about game development then functioning from that frame of reference made sense.
Emphasis was put on finishing things left unfinished from the original...such as the threesomes you could never get because they were not written, but were in the achievement list, thus we knew they were intended in the spirit of the original game...so minimum....we needed those scenes to fill that, and then IF more was to be written, or replacements for that scenes because they are better...(remember me mentioning writers having to write without experience?...The one writing those scenes has regrettably never had a threesome of any kind.)...then they could be done so, knowing that this chucnk was all there was for that achievemnt.
True, but thankfully that lack of experience can be overcome thanks to the existence of porn and fantasy and the fact that none of this is required to be realistic. After all, I certainly hope that nobody writing this game has any experience with the game's main scenario thrust given its extreme moral and ethical issues. It is just a fantasy setup that has no basis in reality and should not ever have such.
There are several places where the scores are not properly tied to the written scenes. We may not be aware of all of them, but the intention will be to go through and add those little snippets of code in a future iteration. For example...all the new threesome scenes don't trigger the key score increases, because the writer did not know ENOUGH about the code and all the inner workings to put them in, and no one else went through every line of code written there (guests file over doubled in size if memory serves for example) to make sure every little things was accounted for. Now, that wrier knows more, and tries to think about those things at the time of writing, it slows things down now, but makes for less fixes after the fact. It is a balancing act.
Understandable. That sort of bug-combing is probably best left for a testing phase and not done during writing. Though some of it can be sped up with a little bit of judicious use of the seach feature in the editor to look for any instances of particular referneces and then just check the ends of those scenes for the appropriate score increases at the end. But since the scoring is so rarely an issue it's obviously not a priority over getting a stable, working, semi-completed project done.
Fair. I'm going to try and keep this briefer just to focus on the important bits that warrant a real response to save time and so I can go get some dinner soon.
Day 1: Nothing Day 2: Free beach day (get to the beach without spending any rings) Day 3: Ice Cream Truck (option to buy ice cream to improve RWC Day 4: Carnival Day 5: Mandatory rainy day, photoshoot opportunities depending on whether or not you have the camera Day 6: Marine will stop by, selling cookies Day 7: No real event, Cream just remarks that Vanilla will be back tomorrow, with a little attitude change depending on stats or how much "progress" has been made with Cream (she's flirty of she's comfortable naked, happy if she's had her dress off and/or has a high happiness score, or sorta ambivalent if it's low-scoring at that point)
The way I look at it, the scenes should probably be arranged/ordered with 3 major considerations:
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My thoughts are that the free beach day would be more "valuable" later in the week and Marine visiting more valuable early. Chiefly because: ....
Thinking along those lines then I have to agree with you - at the start you have all these rings but as the week progresses you may not have enough even though we DO have the 2nd week extension now.
Quick look in code and it seems quite simple to do - it's just a set of lines with day numbers in that can be swapped around
I guess it could be something to look at by the C.E.D.E group at some point (Crazy-fans Experimental Developer Establishment - yeah I know terrible acronym CEDE = 'Seedy') just don't forget ATM the main mantra is basically to add/finish the missing content (i.e car/mystery)
Right now there are only three deepthroat scenes in the game, at least in terms of scenes that interact with the deepthroat achievement/flag
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Since #1 is the only time there's a deepthroat scene that doesn't involve a 3rd party (Sally or Amy) and it also locks itself out of repeating since it's meant to be a "first time" scene, there is no way for Cream to give any deepthroat blowjobs with just Sonic again after the initial scene is done. And that's a shame.
Agree that this DOES lock itself out once you get the deepthroat achievement & a quick look through the text there seems to be only a few lines that imply it's her first time - basically L790-797, L810 and L825-831
In theory a small scene addition to this for the condition of something like
if scores.val('blowjob') > 5 and not achv.has('deepthroat'):
{ First time DT event L789-797}
elif scores.val('blowjob') > 5 and achv.has('deepthroat'):
{ Repeat DT event }
'should' unlock it and allow repeat performances
L810 may need either removing or changed slightly as this seem to also imply 'first time'
c "She chuckles, \"Here's what I really want to try\""
as does L825-831 but this could be bypassed 'easily' with another 'not achv.has('deepthroat') check
We're not adding more content, just tweaking whats already there
Basically what I'm getting at is that I think it's great to push the game's boundaries beyond what Avalon had planned. Not without some restraint, because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but including other characters or indulging in some fetishes that may not be everyone's cup of tea but are able to be accessed or not at the player's discretion creates more opportunity.
Reading through this part about Avalon, despite being a long term lurker, I was actually surprised over this - seems like he was contradicting himself several times - 'its not about bonking bunnies but social experiment' yet creates the scenes people wanted but testers hated - at least, as you said, we're 'offering' alternatives of sorts with consensual events.. not seen any major complaints along this line atm
.... I do also suppose it would be better than nothing to be able to sketch some of those ideas out if they were deemed useful or valuable to the game and then just hope that someone else who fits into that groove a little better would be willing to punch those scenes up and flesh them out.
TBH such 'ideas' and suggestions have/are considered and afaik offers have been made to help with certain aspects to flesh out the game a bit - Hell, even I've tried an attempt to help out even though I don't know nothing about Renpy yet somehow (spoiler alert) I've managed to create something to contribute... will it get used ?!?!.. I'm not going to spoil it
I will admit that I was in the base of 'keeping it basic/simple' and considered for the mystery/car events to just add the new location (Station Square) & have that branch off to new locations such as offices, warehouse etc (a bit like living room branches off to kitchen, hall etc), but I believe that this idea has been taken and (possibly) being extended to include the car for more than this one 'location'
That sort of bug-combing is probably best left for a testing phase and not done during writing. Though some of it can be sped up with a little bit of judicious use of the search feature in the editor to look for any instances of particular references and then just check the ends of those scenes for the appropriate score increases at the end.
Basically that's what I've been doing - not sure of the editor you use but I typically use
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to search though the whole /game/ folder..
This way I've found how many times the 'scoring' is used currently and what values are used for checks (FYI despite the scoring being '10-100 pts' the only checks found are if they're over '1' or not)
- there's not many so we have figured out that we don't NEED a scoring system - changing this to a counter system is 'simple' to do and we can now recycle these 'scores' as 'counters' and use them where necessary rather than creating extra new 'flags' that can only be 'True' or 'False'
Having counters will show the player what events they prefer over others (if players post them we'll get an idea of the type of events preferred I guess for future events) & also having changed to counters they could also be useful to determine the possibility of getting different event results/text display/outcomes (but THIS is for possible expansion NOT for getting the game finished)..
an example could be the type of text you get when getting blowjobs from Cream = 0 = 'first time/struggles/gags', 1-5 = 'goes deeper,less gagging,still struggles,don't swallow', 5+ = 'total expert,no gagging,swallows'. You get the idea - I hope
lol, it was meant to be brief before I ended up cutting less than I intended and getting deep into the weeds of some of the examples/discussion.
Thinking along those lines then I have to agree with you - at the start you have all these rings but as the week progresses you may not have enough even though we DO have the 2nd week extension now.
Quick look in code and it seems quite simple to do - it's just a set of lines with day numbers in that can be swapped around
I guess it could be something to look at by the C.E.D.E group at some point (Crazy-fans Experimental Developer Establishment - yeah I know terrible acronym CEDE = 'Seedy') just don't forget ATM the main mantra is basically to add/finish the missing content (i.e car/mystery)
Yeah, that was waht I was thinking. You could likely do that in either 5 minutes by adjusting those lines to refer to the altered days or DayX jumps or you want to take a little longer in the name of making a cleaner edit, one could go down to the events themselves and change their labels so that Marine's visit is now the .Day2 label and just fix the hour restriction on the If. And then possibly re-order where the day events sit in the code so that when you scroll through it still goes in the correct order instead of being 1, 6, 3, 4, 2, 7
Agree that this DOES lock itself out once you get the deepthroat achievement & a quick look through the text there seems to be only a few lines that imply it's her first time - basically L790-797, L810 and L825-831
In theory a small scene addition to this for the condition of something like
if scores.val('blowjob') > 5 and not achv.has('deepthroat'):
{ First time DT event L789-797}
elif scores.val('blowjob') > 5 and achv.has('deepthroat'):
{ Repeat DT event }
'should' unlock it and allow repeat performances
L810 may need either removing or changed slightly as this seem to also imply 'first time'
c "She chuckles, \"Here's what I really want to try\""
as does L825-831 but this could be bypassed 'easily' with another 'not achv.has('deepthroat') check
We're not adding more content, just tweaking whats already there
This is what I was thinking was the best case scenario. I hadn't gone through line-by-line to see how much needed to be changed, but if it's not much then it would be pretty easy if one doesn't want to write a whole new "experienced" deepthroat scene.
Reading through this part about Avalon, despite being a long term lurker, I was actually surprised over this - seems like he was contradicting himself several times - 'its not about bonking bunnies but social experiment' yet creates the scenes people wanted but testers hated - at least, as you said, we're 'offering' alternatives of sorts with consensual events.. not seen any major complaints along this line atm
I think that he's sort of burned himself out on the game over the years, in part because of how it seems to have consumed his entire online identity and because of behind-the-scenes stuff. The fact that he basically refuses to acknowledge the existence of BSC unless he initiates the conversation and bans people off his InkBunny page who bring it up unprompted, plus the weirdly combative way he dealt with the whole idea of gay/bi content while also having Tails rape and the simple fact that in like the years since it first became known that Flash was being shut down/ended as a viable platform but he's never really addressed it beyond "yeah we'll move to <insert other platform here>/ren'py eventually" suggests that he's fine with not touching the game again.
And honestly, though I don't like the sort of dickish way he holds everything at arm's length and lashes out at the fandom (even if they are being persistant to the point of harassment in some cases), I can't entirely blame him. The other writer on the game, Ultima...something their name is. I don't remember, said that there's been other behind the scenes drama with the project that not everyone knows. Including hinting that Avalon may have been doxxed at one point by people who were upset at the game's content/subject matter and which required him to move a couple of times including at least one international move that relocated him to the US. Given that I can't fault him for getting to the point of deciding that he doesn't want to deal with teh game anymore and move on with his life.
Basically that's what I've been doing - not sure of the editor you use but I typically use
I'm using the setup that I got from visiting the ren'py site and following their setup instructions. The Ren'Py tool suite/launcher, MS Visual Code editor, and an additional Ren'Py plugin for it that adds some added functionality and color coding of different code and whatever. I've not had any problems with navigating or using it yet and it's all self-contained and offline
This way I've found how many times the 'scoring' is used currently and what values are used for checks (FYI despite the scoring being '10-100 pts' the only checks found are if they're over '1' or not)
- there's not many so we have figured out that we don't NEED a scoring system - changing this to a counter system is 'simple' to do and we can now recycle these 'scores' as 'counters' and use them where necessary rather than creating extra new 'flags' that can only be 'True' or 'False'
Having counters will show the player what events they prefer over others (if players post them we'll get an idea of the type of events preferred I guess for future events) & also having changed to counters they could also be useful to determine the possibility of getting different event results/text display/outcomes (but THIS is for possible expansion NOT for getting the game finished)..
an example could be the type of text you get when getting blowjobs from Cream = 0 = 'first time/struggles/gags', 1-5 = 'goes deeper,less gagging,still struggles,don't swallow', 5+ = 'total expert,no gagging,swallows'. You get the idea - I hope
That's a really good idea that I think adds a lot of potential utility and scene variation. I've had similar ideas in the past for making it so that Cream gets used to/likes/craves certain content types or that lets you choose to initiate/lock out certain content so that you don't get dragged into particular kinks you don't want (exhibitionism/exposure, gay/bi content, watersports, light bdsm, whatever.) but this is a lot simple and more elegant than what I was considering. Plus it's a lot more flexible.
For instance, with this the threesome scores could be used to make Cream more horny for other houseguests to the point that she takes the initiative with them when they come over instead of always having to lead into a Sonic/guest scene where Cream shows up during it (or the Tails events). Imagine having it so that Amy comes over and Cream answers the door, pulls her inside yanks down her panties, and starts eating her out before Sonic even gets there.
On the flip side, Marine's visit has the opportunity to spend 300 rings for the highest tier reward package from her, which is going into the bedroom and having sex with her. Once again you're far more likely to have lots of rings early in teh week vs later, so having her visit on day 2 would turn that decision into a big one of "blow 60% of Vanilla's spending money to be able to plow Marine's ass and get her phone number to initiate future vists right now" vs "show some restraint and just purchase the panties or some cookies and have more rings for the rest of the week, but need to get to the Mochi-Mochi shop in order to ask Rouge for Marine's number". Comparatively, having her only arrive on day 6 means that you're very likely to not have enough cash for the top package unless you're working with foresight of the game's events so you know to save up for that day and it means that you only get Marine's number with 1 day left in the week to do any Marine houseguest events until the extended extra week (which would be unknown to a first time player).
Considering the best you can hope for in terms of daily income is probably around 100-150 rings (the once-a-day MobiusList work event is random beween 50 and 150, so it likely averages somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 because bell curves and all that. And you can get 30 rings apiece from Sally and Knuckles if they come over and have a threesome with Cream. Or 50 rings from Knuckles if you have earned significant negative moral alignment so that it plays out the original rapey threesome) that's enough to be able to constantly get extra cash for more pizza and maybe another visit to the movies every day, but would be harder to save up for the Marine event on day 6 unless you start earning extra cash almost right away and luck into not getting a couple of crappy returns. But that costs time that could be spent on Cream and feels like it's a little against the spirit of the game since Sonic is supposed to be babysitting, not coding or whatever it is that he's supposed to be doing for that cash.
Plus getting her number from Rouge requires a fair bit of time and hoops jumped through to unlock and visit the Mochi-Mochi shop, which stalls getting to that point too
(as an aside, I had considered for a while that the whole economy of the game could probably use a once-over to make it make more sense and be more flavorful, but that's a pretty low-priority issue and probably not worth getting super focused on right away instead of finishing up scenes and plot elements)
anyway, the point is if Marine visits on day 2 and the beach day moves to day 6 then it creates a smoother path for the player. They are more likely to be able to make a decision about paying for Marine's services instead of having their previous spending make the choice for them and by getting Marine's number early it makes for more time to have her come over and do threesomes or whatever other scenes could be added in the future. And then later in the week when funds are low it the free beach day becomes an opportunity to go to the beach for the first time/again without having to worry about having the money for it if sonic has been a free spender all week, which is again of more benefit to the player.
I don't really know about "smoother." For starters, having Marine on day 2 leaves a way higher chance of locking you of the alternate Marine/Cream threesome; it's pretty unreasonable to expect someone to get the Mochi-Mochi map and visit the shop to get her number in the first day, and by presenting the Girl Scout options so early, first time players are more likely to pick the $300 option since they already have the money, so there will never be any real chance of unlocking the other threesome without prior knowledge. On top of that, by blowing about 60% of your initial rings on day 2 + with how many monetary options there are in the game, players are going to be looking to budget and earn rings anyway, so they'll still be spending time earning rings online and away from Cream, especially considering all the new spending options that will most likely open up once we'll be able to drive Cream to Station Square. As far as getting Marine's number early goes, contrary to what you said, it's honestly not that difficult to get to the Mochi-Mochi shop before Saturday; Only thing you need to do to get the map is bang either Sally or Amy at the house and neither of those interactions are predicated on any stats or achivements with Cream.
Also, the game lets you call Marine the same day on Saturday so it's really 2 days minimum without the extra week. Seeing as you're not meant to experience everything in a single playthrough anyway, I don't really think Marine's placement is that big of a deal.
I mean...I won't speak fo ranyone else here, but I would say this...
Offering to help write scenes you want > Asking us for content you want > Telling us what scenes to make > Bitching about x,y,z to no end.
So like above...if you have ideas...and its anywhere in the top two of those options, consider them able to be considered.
However, TONS of ideas presents problems...the more content...the longer it takes to finish anything and I will speak for others here...finishing the game in a 1.0 fshion is a goal here....we do not want it to be forever unfinished...and the more we try to add text wise, then the more images that are needed to be considered complete...(Or the mor visuals desired might need more text content -see slutty bikin talk above) and it all has to be coded which takes someones time...
I don't know jack about ren.py or coding in general, but I can write to a degree. I've had ideas for this game for years, but after spending months with you guys in the thread + not knowing what's to come with already planned new content (Car expansion, HBG expansion, etc) a lot of it whittles down to 2 or 3 more feasible thoughts that wouldn't require overstepping any boundaries (Obviously nothing crazy like "Take Cream to some brand new nonexistent location and fuck her brains out.) I'm not guaranteeing I would, but if I were to actually write out a full scene with dialouge and include the necessary flags/requirements to trigger it (within reason), would that at least be enough for consideration?
I don't really know about "smoother." For starters, having Marine on day 2 leaves a way higher chance of locking you of the alternate Marine/Cream threesome; it's pretty unreasonable to expect someone to get the Mochi-Mochi map and visit the shop to get her number in the first day, and by presenting the Girl Scout options so early, first time players are more likely to pick the $300 option since they already have the money, so there will never be any real chance of unlocking the other threesome without prior knowledge. On top of that, by blowing about 60% of your initial rings on day 2 + with how many monetary options there are in the game, players are going to be looking to budget and earn rings anyway, so they'll still be spending time earning rings online and away from Cream, especially considering all the new spending options that will most likely open up once we'll be able to drive Cream to Station Square. As far as getting Marine's number early goes, contrary to what you said, it's honestly not that difficult to get to the Mochi-Mochi shop before Saturday; Only thing you need to do to get the map is bang either Sally or Amy at the house and neither of those interactions are predicated on any stats or achivements with Cream.
Also, the game lets you call Marine the same day on Saturday so it's really 2 days minimum without the extra week. Seeing as you're not meant to experience everything in a single playthrough anyway, I don't really think Marine's placement is that big of a deal.
You're right about the map requirements. I honestly don't remember ever getting it from Sally and thought that Amy's required you to have done the threesome with Cream but that appears to not even have been true in the Betamix version and both methods remain untouched from there.
In terms of moving the day, it's because I believe that for a game wher play is predicated on the player making decisions that any time a decision has lasting consequences it should be obvious and allow the player to make the choice knowing that they might be closing off an opportunity.
For instance the next most expensive item in the game is the camera at 250 rings and its lead-up makes it clear that it may have use on a rainy day and that it is a significant investment. And you can choose to not buy it and return another day because in spite of the warning about the limited-time sale it doesn't look like there are any flags or checks that will make it unavailable other than buying it. So that is an opportunity to see the choice, plan for it by going back to Vanilla's and earning some money, then return to the mall and buy it. Similarly the next item after that is 150 rings for the dildo at the mochi-mochi shop (actually it's 200 rings to pay the fine if you get caught shoplifting panties, but that's not a purchase, it's a penalty for choosing to do something bad) and again you can price-check and then return to the shop to buy it when you're ready.
But with Marine the opportunity to get the VIP package is a one-off. Or a two-off with the repeat week. If you don't buy the special packages during her visit specifically from the daily event you won't get another chance. And it's not like there's even a hint where she says that she makes her rounds weekly and that when week 2 begins you can realize that there's another opportunity on day 13. You don't get to know the price and plan or budget for it, you either have hte rings in that moment or you don't. And with nothing else in the game coming anywhere close to costing that much you might not even consider that you need that many rings. Plus since the chances are that you might only earn around 100 rings a day since the most prominent way to get money is the random MobiusList work option on the computer, it's going to take several days to save up enough to buy the package, which would be even more planning if you are able to plan for it.
Honestly, as I was writing this post out, I realized that if we don't want to change the daily event schedule there are a couple of easy(ish) fixes for all of this (getting Marine's # and visits early and getting the super VIP package with Marine and its follow-up scene without locking Sonic out of either of the Marine threesome options)
1) If you get Marine's # before day 6, then when she visits there's a decision point at the door where Sonic can choose to buy some cookies or the extra packages from her if he hasn't already, or have her come in as a guest. This lets you buy the stuff and push Marine's path along earlier than Day 6 if desired.
2) Once Marine is in for a visit, if the other criteria are satisfied, you get the options to choose between: letting Cream and Marine have some fun (no sex, no requirements), offering Marine some stress relief (the Cream-focused threesome with its RWC and sex requirements), having some added VIP fun with Marine (the Marine-focused threesome, requiring the grand sponsor package) or possibly getting another turn at the sponsor benefits (take Marine into the bedroom and rail her again like the original sponsor scene. Requires the sponsor package and maybe another flag or stat. This could also be a jumping off point for a different threesome scene that is more inclusive of both Marine and Cream instead of Sonic just fucking one while the other gets eaten out by whoever's getting dicked.
Yes it's work but it wouldn't be a lot more work since you would still use the lengthy scenes mostly as they are. It would largely be in doing some if-then-else work and setting up the menus with just a few dialogue tweaks. A lot of the pieces could be harvested from elsewhere in the code with minimal writing from scratch.
Though this is probably an item for down the line after the main story has been completed. Or as a side project for someone trying their hand at contributing (like me) to do outside of the work the main team is undertaking.
There is a lot here. I have done a first read through, will skim it again and address main points, probably tomorrow as a distraction...and may go deeper into some...but I 'cannot afford' to go as deep as would do everything justice to everything...I am already falling behind...and trying not to....and there's a couple life things that are a bit rougher than anticipated...Bear with me.
I will add a note on the release page about this...they are functioning properly on other builds, this seems to be android specific and more than one person having issues...no promises on timing, but it is on the list to figure out why and fix it.
Anyone who is using Android and having this issue, if at all possible, let us know what the latest version you used that HAD WORKING IMAGES so we can see where the break occurred, this should help. (And who knows we may stumble on it fixing other things.)
You say it is easy...but it is not as easy as you might think. First, that line is not the same line in the updated file with additional changes we have made since this release, but, even tracking back through and finding the corresponding line, interestingly, the code is exactly the same as other lines of code in other parts of other scenes...and the governing file looks the same in terms of that specific trigger...
So...we need to know if ALL off those lines don't work, or just this one...have you gone back through and chosen different choices when you can?
I have run into issues before with the rpyc files before (I no longer do as I have refined my methods) where errors like this would get thrown despite the code working just fine from a truly fresh build. Is there any chance your build is "not clean" and this could be related to the problem? (In windows, we can just delete the rpyc files to solve those kinds of issues, I do not know if this is the same for Android)
Also, since you are on android...can you corroborate the non-images issue discussed above?
You say it is easy...but it is not as easy as you might think. First, that line is not the same line in the updated file with additional changes we have made since this release, but, even tracking back through and finding the corresponding line, interestingly, the code is exactly the same as other lines of code in other parts of other scenes...and the governing file looks the same in terms of that specific trigger...
So...we need to know if ALL off those lines don't work, or just this one...have you gone back through and chosen different choices when you can?
I have run into issues before with the rpyc files before (I no longer do as I have refined my methods) where errors like this would get thrown despite the code working just fine from a truly fresh build. Is there any chance your build is "not clean" and this could be related to the problem? (In windows, we can just delete the rpyc files to solve those kinds of issues, I do not know if this is the same for Android)
So as far as the typo goes, this is the only place where I found it:
For the error screen, it pops up regardless of which option you select in the Tails CNC scene, so I don't think it's based on anything specific. I can't really speak on whether the build is "clean" or not, all I can say is that I'm using the latest version of 0.7.5. Speaking of which,
Not really sure I can. I was the first to point out the broken images, but it's really only a handful of them on my end that don't load; most of them work for me, but the issue has been present since the base version of 0.7.5
I attempted a search for "download" on this thread, but I got 9 pages worth of hits that were not sorted by date.
Is there an easier way to find this android version or other downloads? I seem to be too stupid to find it on my own.
Thank you.
For the error screen, it pops up regardless of which option you select in the Tails CNC scene, so I don't think it's based on anything specific. I can't really speak on whether the build is "clean" or not, all I can say is that I'm using the latest version of 0.7.5. Speaking of which,
Hmm...the line of code referenced is clean is why it throws me...I don't have it on android so I have not tested this out. Anyone else on Android gone to this part able to affirm the problem or counter it? If others out there are NOT and you are, its different than a problem with the code...I will see about going into dev mode to make sure its not a broader issue...
Not really sure I can. I was the first to point out the broken images, but it's really only a handful of them on my end that don't load; most of them work for me, but the issue has been present since the base version of 0.7.5
It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
