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Rachel's "friend" is another thing that's bugging me. Who is she? Can she be trusted? She slept with Rachel (once), didn't she? Are they still friends? Just friends? :confused: Yeah, I may be a bit jealous there. But really, who the hell is she?
The game does keep you on the edge, doesn't it? ;)
Who knows Maggy is Rachel's friend after all but Ellie is so precious....I might get wounded when we found out about her dark past
 
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Except how would Rachel know that you will return?
She wouldn't, but it is possible since deciding to be a better person, she could be Maggy's friend or her bosses friend, and simply ask them to let Rachel know if anyone with your name looking for housing, and it is plausible.

I mean I could be wrong, but it just seems very coincidental your new place burns down, and then you run into Rachel the same day.
I am far from one of those tinfoil hate types, I live with my brother who is, but seems kind of suspect to me.
 
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Who knows Maggy is Rachel's friend after all
She wouldn't, but it is possible since deciding to be a better person, she could be Maggy's friend or her bosses friend, and simply ask them to let Rachel know if anyone with your name looking for housing, and it is plausible.

I mean I could be wrong, but it just seems very coincidental your new place burns down, and then you run into Rachel the same day.
I am far from one of those tinfoil hate types, I live with my brother who is, but seems kind of suspect to me.
o_O :unsure:
Maggy could be Rachel's friend... The one she talked with on the phone. And called her that someone with the same name as her child rented an apartment. She of course wanted to visit the mc, when the whole building burned down. :LOL: And it's natural to assume Rachel offered the mc a place to stay. At least until the mc finds another. Now imagine the surprise on Rachel's face when she finds out Maggy and the mc know each other and vice versa. :love: :ROFLMAO: And in addition would explain why Maggy said she's not against the mc sleeping with their mom.
 

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Maybe even Rachel sorted out burning the place down.
I don't think she would do that... :cautious: And as information points to events not being as dramatic as they possibly could be despite the tone of the game being quite serious, I don't think she would resort to burning down the apartment building risking lives of people just to get her kid back. :unsure: Most likely it was just a coincidence. ;)
I think the dev did it. ;) To make the story happen. :ROFLMAO:
I found the culprit! It was Yolandi Visser! Here's the proof: :)
 
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Also, check the genre spoiler box. The contents are quite clear about two subjects that have been just mentioned.
Yeah, but for NTR, it's worth remembering that different people see it in different ways, so there's always a bit of wiggle room. Even in this topic you already have someone saying they don't consider sex between two women in a harem to be NTR, while others might (especially if you're not involved/giving permission). For some, just the idea that someone else is trying to take someone away from you on an emotional or physical level would count.

And I wasn't saying the scene was a problem, only that it was starting to skirt close to those sorts of undertones.

As for the harem thing, -I'M- aware that a harem option is going to exist, but the character isn't. So looking at choices from the character's perspective rather than from a "What's the optimal choice to get the threesome scene/unlock so-and-so's path/unlock a scene in the gallery" perspective, it feels like at a certain point you'd start to feel a bit overwhelmed, and not necessarily run with the "screw everything that moves" mindset. In more casual or humorous games it doesn't really matter, but when I'm playing games with clear intent to tell more serious stories, I tend to think more about how the character would feel rather than just doing optimal play for sex scenes.

If anything, it's a compliment to the game developer. It's saying "You've written a story I enjoy enough to become invested in."

Also keep in mind that different games handle harems in different ways - in some games you only have to win over specific characters to earn your harem ending, while in others you have to win over pretty much every girl you meet. At the moment we really don't know if Ellie/Rachel/Jada/Katherine is the core harem and everyone else is mostly just side content, or if we literally have to seduce every woman in town for the harem ending.


If the thought of any of the women fucking each other is going to scare you, you have realised Jada and Ellie are fucking already, right?
Yeah, but there's kind of a huge difference between two people who were already together before the game even started and who already agreed between themselves to share you before you were with either of them, and someone who is taking advantage of someone else in their most emotionally vulnerable state who is and who would probably have nothing to do with them if they weren't doped up on post-hypnotic suggestion drugs. Even more so when the only reason Jada is in a position to do that in the first place is because we pushed to have her come live with us (so it feels more like our responsibility/fault if something bad happens).

And again, not saying it's terrible and it ruined the game for me forever, just pointing out that there are implications in that scene.


About the pills, Reccy already confirmed she isn't going to be abused by a doctor and nothing sinister is going on.
Yeah, but for some of that stuff, I was talking more about my feelings/suspicions as things happened in my playthrough (completely unspoiled by reading the thread or checking every tag) more than how I assume things are going now. Like how I mentioned there were points where I suspected that Rachel burned down the apartment or that Katherine was up to some sinister shenanigans, but later revelations sort of debunked those ideas. But there's still stuff going on that's kind of suspicious and/or suspenseful.
 

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Another person who overthinks an adult game. :geek: :ROFLMAO: Welcome, fellow researcher! ;)
Hah, yeah. For me, it's mostly because I'm ironically playing most games of this nature more because of the narrative and characterizations than because of the sex scenes (if all I wanted was the sex, there's an infinite amount of porn on the Internet). So I kind of process the experience more like the way I would playing games like Fallout: New Vegas, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, etc. ie, overthink everything, put myself in the main character's headspace, try to solve every mystery, etc.

Sure, most adult games are never going to have all that deep a plot, but it means when you find the games that DO, you're more inclined to appreciate them and engage with them.

Plus, being able to discuss the story of a game while the game is still in development has an added perk - there's always the chance that the developer might hear one of your theories and go "Man, that's way cooler than what I had planned, I'm totally stealing that idea." :D


Let's start with your most radical idea. My money would be more on Rachel than the mc. It just makes more sense. But I shall one up you! Ellie! :ROFLMAO:
Oh, not going to lie, both of those ideas occurred to me as well.

As did Johnson. He's pretty protective of us, and seems to understand what sort of home life we had/why we were a bad kid. Maybe he took matters into his own hands to try and help...

If anything, Rachel's comment about how it would be really bad if Ward keeps looking into the old case too much implies there's definitely more involved than anyone is willing to admit. Someone's guilty of something, and some sort of cover-up definitely seems to have happened.


I never thought of Rachel burning down the house. I'm more inclined to blame the crazy guy from the news report.
Yeah, but the news report doesn't happen until later on. I was starting to suspect her before that. When that news report came on, I was just like "Okay, maybe I can't blame you for that, Rachel."

Of course, crazy guy has ties to the mind-altering drug subplot (even if it was just meant as a throwaway joke), so we can't discount sinister connections just yet...

(When one paranoid door closes, another opens!)


The only one I'm not sure how she fits into the greater "family" is Stephanie. :unsure:
Considering the scene where you find out that she's the one who actually hired you, that she did so in spite of you not being the person most qualified for the job, and she's clearly uncomfortable telling you the real reason why, there's definitely something up with her as well. She's essentially the entire reason why you came back to town at all - so if she's connected to Rachel, Maggy, or Rachel and Maggy together, she'd be key to manipulating you back into the house.

Conversely, we may find out that she's just someone else from your past that has unfinished business with you (the way Katherine seems to be), which will come into play later. Like you went to school with her or something.

Ironically, she's the other person I've sort of skipped scenes for. During the day when you can meet Hanna at the cafe/visit Ellie at school (and learn that Jada was suspended)/go to work to see Steph and experience so sexual tension, I actually went directly to the cafe, then straight back home, and continued on in the plot (I didn't even realize I missed two scenes until I went back later to check something unrelated).

And just for reference, if you miss Ellie being alone at school, you can't ask Jada about it on the motorcycle, you don't find out she was suspended, and you don't get the sex scene with her that night (she just goes directly to Ellie's room). Then the next day you just wake up with in bed with Ellie instead of both of them. (Either that, or the game screwed up when I played though. :p )


The pills... I came to the conclusion that they were just a tool to provide sexy scenes with Rachel until she can get seriously involved with the mc.
I'm still not sure unless Rec actively confirms it. If we get a scene where Rachel is like "Hey, remember when you told me I should stop taking the pills? Well I'm much happier now that you're here so I don't need them anymore and I'm not going to take them anymore", then I'll kind of accept the idea that they were just a plot tool.

But considering they're still in play, they seem at least somewhat addictive (she's a bit panicky when she realizes you have her drugs and she needs to take one), and there's still implications that they might be more than they seem, I can't entirely rule out that there might be more to them than just convenient tools to provide plot exposition/justify burgeoning taboo romance.


I'm more worried about Ellie. I hope she just ran away from home and the police found her and brought her home.
Yeah, someone running away, disappearing for an extended period of time, and then showing up again completely mute and unwilling to ever explain where they were and what happened to them has connotations. I'm kind of dreading the inevitable revelation.

I mean, we're playing a game called Bad Memories. It feels inevitable that we're going to unearth a lot of repressed, buried trauma (though maybe, ideally, it winds up being cathartic for everyone involved and a "happily ever after" is at least possible, rather than leaving everyone and everything a broken, ruined, sobbing mess). The suspense and the ugliness we might uncover is at least part of the morbid appeal.

Though considering how much we've deliberately tried to forget (ie, the stuff that's coming back to us in our dream memories), it's entirely possible that what actually happened to Ellie is
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A few of thoughts on Ellie from a discussion on Bad memories on the DDoS thread.

I'd say Ellie is clearly obsessed with the mc. :LOL: But she's so cute it can be forgiven. :love: It may start with Ellie being afraid of the mc because she doesn't know what to expect from them. Or more like cautious. And she's afraid the mc will leave again.
Ellie's cute level is off the charts. :love: But I think it is more a combination of hero worship, love and fear of abandonment. rather than obsession. Several of MC:s memories show how MC protects Ellie as children, even when MC get scolded for it by Rachel she seems to continue. So when her hero and protector suddenly reappears, she is cautious as you say, but as MC assuades her fear, the love and hero worship can take over.
 
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Hah, yeah. For me, it's mostly because I'm ironically playing most games of this nature more because of the narrative and characterizations than because of the sex scenes (if all I wanted was the sex, there's an infinite amount of porn on the Internet). So I kind of process the experience more like the way I would playing games like Fallout: New Vegas, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, etc. ie, overthink everything, put myself in the main character's headspace, try to solve every mystery, etc.
Do you try to roleplay as the MC - playing as what you think the MC would do, in the world he / she exists in - or do you imagine yourself as (become) the MC and all that goes with that? I have found since coming here to this site, there is a distinct difference, which I find fascinating.
 
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So Jada coming from Rachel's room during the time she is known to take the pills immediately raises suspicion.
Especially when it happens shortly after she tells you "I'm totally into her but I know she's not into me" during the motorcycle ride. If she had a way to make Rachel into her, would she be willing to abuse it?

Jada's pretty clearly impulsive (both sexually and otherwise), and openly admits that she doesn't necessarily think things through (the aftermath of the alcohol birthday incident). Which makes it hard to trust what she might be up to.

Even if she's just playing ultimate wingman and trying to encourage Rachel into being more open to sleeping with the MC (since she also asks you if you'd be into Rachel during the motorcycle ride), or doing something more innocent and trying to prompt Rachel into being more accepting of your relationship with Ellie or just letting Jada live there, it's still acting behind your back in ways you might not approve of. So until we figure out what she's up to, or she just never does it again, it's going to be a potential point of paranoia.


I agree that she needs to learn about boundaries.
The irony is, Jada is acting like she's the MC of her own AVN. She needs to be reminded who the HBIC actually is. If anyone's going to exploit mind control drugs, it's going to be us! :LOL:


Except how would Rachel know that you will return?
If Steph and Rachel know each other, Rachel might know that Steph arranged to get you the job in town, bringing you back. Or she could have been the one to encourage Steph to do it in the first place. Or it could just be a coincidence.

If Maggy and Rachel are working together, Maggy could easily have told Rachel that you had contacted her and were looking for a place to stay in town. At which point it's possible Rachel eventually encouraged her to sandbag you about apartments so you'd come home, or Maggy took it upon herself to do so because she feels like she's acting in Rachel's best interests. Or it could just be a coincidence.

Regardless, it feels really suspicious that you're barely in town for an hour and you bump into the one person you least want to see in a place you never expected to see them. And then run into her again almost immediately after discovering that you don't have a place to stay and are desperate enough to come home. Sure, Hanna does mention later that Rachel is a regular at the cafe (so it could just be a coincidence), but there could also be a bit of deliberate stalking going on (especially if Rachel is getting updates from Maggy and possibly Steph).

Even if everything is a coincidence and everyone involved are mostly just taking advantage of convenient situations as they happen, it's still hard to shake the feeling that a lot of ulterior motives are helping to shape events (like, it feels like there's at least a possibility that Katherine is only willing to treat Ellie because she's your sister, and it's as close as she can come to interacting with you until you unexpectedly return).
 

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why not comnplete a game before start new one ..that's what i don't understand really.. and as i said, the other 2 games don't stand a chance vs bad menoies to me.
If you would read in the actual thread once in a while you'd know that the other game, is simply to keep him sane. I know most people don't understand a thing when it comes to doing the same thing day in day out for 365 days a year burns some people out.
i think it's only the patreon system that push on more project at the same time...cuz i think it would be better focus on 1 project at time to me. anyway hope updates comes more frequent now
Stop thinking and read what i wrote above...seriously stop.
 

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Do you try to roleplay as the MC - playing as what you think the MC would do, in the world he / she exists in - or do you imagine yourself (become) as the MC and all that goes with that? I have found since coming here to this site, there is a distinct difference, which I find fascinating.
Funny thing you mention this. :) I personaly tend to do both. Just depends on the game which one. ;)
 
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Do you try to roleplay as the MC - playing as what you think the MC would do, in the world he / she exists in - or do you imagine yourself as (become) the MC and all that goes with that? I have found since coming here to this site, there is a distinct difference, which I find fascinating.
I'm neither. I usually just try all paths. Or if that becomes tedious, the paths I find most interesting. I also usually play with a walkthrough or reading the source at the same time. Yes, I'm weird. :)
 

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Do you try to roleplay as the MC - playing as what you think the MC would do, in the world he / she exists in - or do you imagine yourself as (become) the MC and all that goes with that? I have found since coming here to this site, there is a distinct difference, which I find fascinating.
I rarely self-insert into any games. For games like this one, I'm kind of trying to get into the headspace of the character as presented. For games like Fallout: New Vegas or Skyrim, I tend to craft a backstory in my head for the character that then influences their choices (which increases replayability for those sorts of games - craft a different backstory and you can play through the game again making different choices, or making the same choices again for different reasons, and feel like you're playing through a completely different story). A large part of what I like about well-made narrative games that allow for player choice is the feeling that MY character is experiencing the story differently from how other people see it. Or even from how I saw it the last time I played.

My personality is obviously going to affect that to some degree (ie, I'm probably more inclined to pursue a love interest that meshes fairly closely to my own personal "type" than not), but I can easily and happily make choices that -I- never would but my character absolutely would, because "it's what they would do."

If anything, it's why I tend to dislike games (like Fallout 3 and 4) where it feels like the game has a very clear idea of who you're supposed to be, and I feel kind of hemmed in to the same backstory/personality every playthrough even if there's an illusion of choice. Because it's like, sure, I can murder my way across the entire Wasteland if I want to, but would a character who was raised by Liam Neeson and whose childhood I've literally just seen played out in flashbacks be the sort of character who would do that? It actually bothers me more than games where they don't give me choices at all (like, say, Halo), where I'm just acting out someone else's story.

Because I don't self-insert, it actually makes it way easier to play games (adult or otherwise) with a female protagonist, especially ones where they wind up in a lesbian relationship, or even moreso a straight relationship with a guy. Because while I may be a (mostly) straight male, the character isn't. And part of being that character is making choices I wouldn't, based on experiences I've never had, for reasons I never would. Games are escapism - and being the hero or villain, the heartbreaker or heartthrob, the impulsive fool or bound by honor and reason... it allows me to experience something outside of myself, even if only vicariously.
 

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I'm neither. I usually just try all paths. Or if that becomes tedious, the paths I find most interesting. I also usually play with a walkthrough or reading the source at the same time. Yes, I'm weird. :)
Sounds a lot like how I play - so I guess we're both weird. :)
 
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A few of thoughts on Ellie from a discussion on Bad memories on the DDoS thread.
Since you brought that up again. Another aspect of Ellie is that she is very often underestimated, for example Rachel thinking she is incapable of handling electronics for some reason. She already has a strong will, but MC helping her to let go of her fear will make her a formidable woman I think.
 
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Especially when it happens shortly after she tells you "I'm totally into her but I know she's not into me" during the motorcycle ride. If she had a way to make Rachel into her, would she be willing to abuse it?

Jada's pretty clearly impulsive (both sexually and otherwise), and openly admits that she doesn't necessarily think things through (the aftermath of the alcohol birthday incident). Which makes it hard to trust what she might be up to.

Even if she's just playing ultimate wingman and trying to encourage Rachel into being more open to sleeping with the MC (since she also asks you if you'd be into Rachel during the motorcycle ride), or doing something more innocent and trying to prompt Rachel into being more accepting of your relationship with Ellie or just letting Jada live there, it's still acting behind your back in ways you might not approve of. So until we figure out what she's up to, or she just never does it again, it's going to be a potential point of paranoia.



The irony is, Jada is acting like she's the MC of her own AVN. She needs to be reminded who the HBIC actually is. If anyone's going to exploit mind control drugs, it's going to be us! :LOL:



If Steph and Rachel know each other, Rachel might know that Steph arranged to get you the job in town, bringing you back. Or she could have been the one to encourage Steph to do it in the first place. Or it could just be a coincidence.

If Maggy and Rachel are working together, Maggy could easily have told Rachel that you had contacted her and were looking for a place to stay in town. At which point it's possible Rachel eventually encouraged her to sandbag you about apartments so you'd come home, or Maggy took it upon herself to do so because she feels like she's acting in Rachel's best interests. Or it could just be a coincidence.

Regardless, it feels really suspicious that you're barely in town for an hour and you bump into the one person you least want to see in a place you never expected to see them. And then run into her again almost immediately after discovering that you don't have a place to stay and are desperate enough to come home. Sure, Hanna does mention later that Rachel is a regular at the cafe (so it could just be a coincidence), but there could also be a bit of deliberate stalking going on (especially if Rachel is getting updates from Maggy and possibly Steph).

Even if everything is a coincidence and everyone involved are mostly just taking advantage of convenient situations as they happen, it's still hard to shake the feeling that a lot of ulterior motives are helping to shape events (like, it feels like there's at least a possibility that Katherine is only willing to treat Ellie because she's your sister, and it's as close as she can come to interacting with you until you unexpectedly return).
I think it's mentioned in the dialogue with Steph that CJ had his fingers in hiring you. Or a least encourages Steph to engage more with the mc as he knows she is shy and doesn't have time dating and he wants to help her.
Maggy fits the bill as Rachel's friend more:
-same age group
-confident, doesn't mess around
-naughty :LOL:
-would have access to information
In fact, it's more likely that she burned down the building than Rachel or Ellie. Plus if the company owned the building or some apartments therein. They could claim insurance money. :unsure:
But if we want to go wild the crazy guy (who burned down the house) could have been Katherine's unhappy client.:LOL:
Rachel meeting the mc in the caffee could be only a coincidence if she is a regular customer. But I don't remember mc telling her where they will be staying. Here's where Maggy comes into play.
Yes, Jada plays to many adult games. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Since you brought that up again. Another aspect of Ellie is that she is very often underestimated, for example Rachel thinking she is incapable of handling electronics for some reason. She already has a strong will, but MC helping her to let go of her fear will make her a formidable woman I think.
Just because I think it could contribute to the discussion here. ;)
 

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But considering they're still in play, they seem at least somewhat addictive (she's a bit panicky when she realizes you have her drugs and she needs to take one), and there's still implications that they might be more than they seem, I can't entirely rule out that there might be more to them than just convenient tools to provide plot exposition/justify burgeoning taboo romance.
I'm not sure I'd call them addictive, I mean they're medication to suppress her panic attacks, so if she feels a panic attack coming on she would need them to help her with that. I wouldn't call that them being addictive if what she's addicted to is 'not having panic attacks'. Now that we've got so much closer to her though, I do wonder if we'll be trying to help get her off the medicine (like I believe we talked about trying to) by spending time with her and trying to help her calm down without the pills. Of course, the pervert in me wants her to let us stay with her while she takes one, with a coy 'you aren't going to take advantage of me are you? That would be just awful~!'
 
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As far as mystery solving goes, I feel like we are more like Scooby Doo than Sherlock Holmes. :ROFLMAO:
I felt Ellie was trying go looking for the mc. But I always worried something happened to her. Like she was kidnapped or someone assaulted her. A traumatic experience in short. Maybe just the mc leaving was traumatizing enough for her. Like you wrote, she felt the mc had abandoned her.
But the weird thing is that she didn't start speaking. Later Katherine said after prodding her that Ellie is perfectly fine.:unsure: So why would she not speak again? :confused:
 
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