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you might be missing codec, not sure if recreation uses webm.
I do.

such a question arose - why are the scenes in the game not played? just pictures, that's all
As cxx said, maybe you're missing the right codecs on your computer.
Or if you're playing a web version somewhere else: that's unofficial and not gonna work.
 
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On another note, I find it interesting that the folk song was originally song from a female perspective. Makes much more sense, unless you consider that the House of the Rising Sun was actually House of the Rising Son, a brothel of male prostitutes.
Keep in mind, though - that's just the oldest surviving written version, not necessarily the original version. There's evidence (as mentioned in the same Wikipedia article) that there were earlier versions of the song in the UK, and also clues that could point to the origin of the name of the place straight up being a brothel.

And being from the female perspective doesn't even necessarily change the context. If you assume the "ruin of many a poor girl" isn't that they were customers at a brothel, but the ones working there...

I've always assumed it was pretty clear that the song started out being about prostitution and later got a bit sanitized into something else (ie, the gambler element).


I think her deal is that she remembers MC (she touches on it and he remembers too) and always crushed on him, and she's very submissive in the first place, so she's trying to show him how she feels, but she's going to bitch about it the whole time because MC doesn't quite get where she's coming from completely yet. Then add in her responsibilities to his family and that she's watching him run through it like a fox in a henhouse, and now she's super duper conflicted lol
There's also the fact that her crush was on her idealized and imaginary version of who you were. When you saved her she has no idea who you were, and as she says when she's telling you the story, part of her perception has been that you were just another thug or drug-dealer/user who acted out of character that day (not realizing that you weren't one of the usual crowd that hung out in that alley either).

Her becoming Ellie's therapist may have been tied to her finally having an opportunity to potentially get to know you. She could have asked Rachel what sort of person you were (and justified it by saying she needed to know about Ellie's sibling and what effect they might have had on Ellie's problem, especially since it was your leaving that helped trigger it in the first place). But even then, she's getting info about you second-hand. Maybe even supplemented by finding out you were constantly getting in trouble as a kid. Her view of you as a delinquent seems supported by a lot of evidence, but then Rachel may be painting a different view of you in her descriptions (Victim? Protector?).

Then she meets you and you're just so radically different from anything she could have imagined. She's struggling trying to reconcile who she's always assumed you were in her head with who you actually are in real life. And at the same time you're clearing showing sexual interest in her (even if it's conflicting with your reacting negatively to her being a bitch). She knows she can provoke you into giving her the attention she wants deep down, but at the same time she's not sure how you'd react if she ever showed you the real her. All compounded by the fact that she's coming from a mostly loveless family that wasn't good at showing affection, so she doesn't really know how herself.

Basically, she's got a lot of issues to work out.
 

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Keep in mind, though - that's just the oldest surviving written version, not necessarily the original version. There's evidence (as mentioned in the same Wikipedia article) that there were earlier versions of the song in the UK, and also clues that could point to the origin of the name of the place straight up being a brothel.

And being from the female perspective doesn't even necessarily change the context. If you assume the "ruin of many a poor girl" isn't that they were customers at a brothel, but the ones working there...
That's my take on the female version as well.
I've always assumed it was pretty clear that the song started out being about prostitution and later got a bit sanitized into something else (ie, the gambler element).
The male version definitely feels like gambling.
Then she meets you and you're just so radically different from anything she could have imagined. She's struggling trying to reconcile who she's always assumed you were in her head with who you actually are in real life. And at the same time you're clearing showing sexual interest in her (even if it's conflicting with your reacting negatively to her being a bitch). She knows she can provoke you into giving her the attention she wants deep down, but at the same time she's not sure how you'd react if she ever showed you the real her. All compounded by the fact that she's coming from a mostly loveless family that wasn't good at showing affection, so she doesn't really know how herself.
Definitely, she has a number of issues to resolve in discovering how inaccurate her memories are.
 
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Keep in mind, though - that's just the oldest surviving written version, not necessarily the original version. There's evidence (as mentioned in the same Wikipedia article) that there were earlier versions of the song in the UK, and also clues that could point to the origin of the name of the place straight up being a brothel.

And being from the female perspective doesn't even necessarily change the context. If you assume the "ruin of many a poor girl" isn't that they were customers at a brothel, but the ones working there...

I've always assumed it was pretty clear that the song started out being about prostitution and later got a bit sanitized into something else (ie, the gambler element).



There's also the fact that her crush was on her idealized and imaginary version of who you were. When you saved her she has no idea who you were, and as she says when she's telling you the story, part of her perception has been that you were just another thug or drug-dealer/user who acted out of character that day (not realizing that you weren't one of the usual crowd that hung out in that alley either).

Her becoming Ellie's therapist may have been tied to her finally having an opportunity to potentially get to know you. She could have asked Rachel what sort of person you were (and justified it by saying she needed to know about Ellie's sibling and what effect they might have had on Ellie's problem, especially since it was your leaving that helped trigger it in the first place). But even then, she's getting info about you second-hand. Maybe even supplemented by finding out you were constantly getting in trouble as a kid. Her view of you as a delinquent seems supported by a lot of evidence, but then Rachel may be painting a different view of you in her descriptions (Victim? Protector?).

Then she meets you and you're just so radically different from anything she could have imagined. She's struggling trying to reconcile who she's always assumed you were in her head with who you actually are in real life. And at the same time you're clearing showing sexual interest in her (even if it's conflicting with your reacting negatively to her being a bitch). She knows she can provoke you into giving her the attention she wants deep down, but at the same time she's not sure how you'd react if she ever showed you the real her. All compounded by the fact that she's coming from a mostly loveless family that wasn't good at showing affection, so she doesn't really know how herself.

Basically, she's got a lot of issues to work out.
Agreed. As you're eluding as well, her training is telling her you are a bad, bad person but she's seen evidence on the contrary, and even with your complete control and domination of the family dynamic (and her at points) she's finding her professional instincts are incongruous to what you're actually doing with your power over everyone. A benevolent dong champion lol
 

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Agreed. As you're eluding as well, her training is telling her you are a bad, bad person but she's seen evidence on the contrary, and even with your complete control and domination of the family dynamic (and her at points) she's finding her professional instincts are incongruous to what you're actually doing with your power over everyone. A benevolent dong champion lol
Complete control? Is the MaleMC path that different to the FeMC path? I haven't played it to date, so can't say. Sure, we are forceful with Kat, but that first time was breaking under the repeated verbal attacks and the others continued exploration of that first incident. Manipulating Rachel using the pills is pretty sketch, but I certainly wouldn't call that relationship 'domination' either. But when it comes to Jada and Ellie, MC is absolutely the one being seduced and attacked most of the time. Wouldn't say they have the slightest bit of control over those two much less complete.
 

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Complete control? Is the MaleMC path that different to the FeMC path? I haven't played it to date, so can't say. Sure, we are forceful with Kat, but that first time was breaking under the repeated verbal attacks and the others continued exploration of that first incident. Manipulating Rachel using the pills is pretty sketch, but I certainly wouldn't call that relationship 'domination' either. But when it comes to Jada and Ellie, MC is absolutely the one being seduced and attacked most of the time. Wouldn't say they have the slightest bit of control over those two much less complete.
I don't mean in the sense of male dom as much as I mean mental corruption. Intended (with the slimy dialogue) or not, he's got everyone in his sphere revolving around him... Whether from guilt, infatuation, or obsession, everyone in the house has the MC's approval as a motive for everything they're doing. He's dominating their mental state but, in my run, I'm trying not to be such a corruptive influence. Everyone is still orbiting him, but my MC is trying to please everyone lol Everything Jada is doing is to "smooth" the harem into existence, and I chose to admonish her a bit for it. Ellie is a cutie and she wants it this way. Mom feels really guilty and is transitioning out of feeling like she's paying a debt and is starting to realize her feelings are being returned in kind... and that their weird family dynamic might work.

Kat would probably allow the male dom no matter what as her personality seems pretty sub, but I think she's so conflicted because she's still not sure if he's "worthy" of those feelings she's held onto about him for so long... I think we agree for sure on that.

Is the female MC run really different? I may try it if it is... sounds fun.
 

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I don't think the paths are different beyond the sex. And I'm genuinely trying to play in that same manner, forgiving whenever possible and not being overly sleazy. But I don't feel any of that stuff.

It's just people coming to terms with their time apart and realizing that things hadn't been as they previously thought. And growing closer, with a bit of manipulation via the drugs. I could happily do without those as I don't think Rachel needs them.

Definitely don't think that the family is circling around the MC in any way beyond their presence being the catalyst for the changes. But that's just interpretation I guess. We all read slightly different things from the same source materials.
 
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Understandable, and even if it doesn't justify it, this only happened because of MC's father, of which she was also a victim. However, you have to give her credit that she is working on herself and seems to have professional help by now. Whereby, let's scratch professional. She is currently being provided with experimental drugs. So she's more of a guinea pig.
 
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Understandable, and even if it doesn't justify it, this only happened because of MC's father, of which she was also a victim. However, you have to give her credit that she is working on herself and seems to have professional help by now. Whereby, let's scratch professional. She is currently being provided with experimental drugs. So she's more of a guinea pig.
Speaking of the drugs, I think the MC is approaching the pills very differently from Jada.

Jada wants to take advantage of her drugged vulnerability to get something out of her (which she and MC did with getting Jada to stay). Using the suggestibility aspect.

With a few exceptions, the MC has been using, or trying to use if he can ever get there before Jada, the drug as a truth serum, trying to get behind any facades Rachel may be keeping up, so that she knows if she can trust Rachel. Unfortunately, Jada often goes too far. Given their history, MC primarily want to feel safe around Rachel and saw the pills as a shortcut to learning what was actually going on with Rachel.

Ultimately, it did its job. MC started trusting Rachel more, understanding how damaged she was by MC's dad.
 

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Understandable, and even if it doesn't justify it, this only happened because of MC's father, of which she was also a victim. However, you have to give her credit that she is working on herself and seems to have professional help by now. Whereby, let's scratch professional. She is currently being provided with experimental drugs. So she's more of a guinea pig.
Yeah. I can get why someone who suffered under that treatment could hate her. I despise my dad coz he was really abusive to me specifically as a kid. Was thrilled when he and mum split up, and took great pleasure in refusing his friend requests on social media not too long ago. I live for the day I hear that the fucker has finally kicked the bucket.

Rachel though, something about her the moment we meet her in game made me trust her. Even with MCs inner monologue about how evil she was, I just wanted to try and rebuild that relationship. And I'm super glad Rec allowed us to do so, even if the MC loves to drag their feet and rollback on their progress at the slightest provocation.

The more we learn about what went on, the more I feel that I was right. She is a victim of the true villain, MC Dad. Everyone suffered under that prick, and while it's not ok for Rachel to take her pain out on MC either, it is something I can understand and forgive personally in this case. While still hoping to one day piss on my own dad's grave. Brains are weird.
 

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Yeah. I can get why someone who suffered under that treatment could hate her. I despise my dad coz he was really abusive to me specifically as a kid. Was thrilled when he and mum split up, and took great pleasure in refusing his friend requests on social media not too long ago. I live for the day I hear that the fucker has finally kicked the bucket.

Rachel though, something about her the moment we meet her in game made me trust her. Even with MCs inner monologue about how evil she was, I just wanted to try and rebuild that relationship. And I'm super glad Rec allowed us to do so, even if the MC loves to drag their feet and rollback on their progress at the slightest provocation.

The more we learn about what went on, the more I feel that I was right. She is a victim of the true villain, MC Dad. Everyone suffered under that prick, and while it's not ok for Rachel to take her pain out on MC either, it is something I can understand and forgive personally in this case. While still hoping to one day piss on my own dad's grave. Brains are weird.
If i could hazard a guess i would say that it is because in ur case it was a male. Not a female.
Females are usually more relatable , unless she is the cause for grievance and was terrible person like mc's dad. Then things shift around

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Im sorry to hear that happen to you. Its never easy.
 
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Yeah. I can get why someone who suffered under that treatment could hate her. I despise my dad coz he was really abusive to me specifically as a kid. Was thrilled when he and mum split up, and took great pleasure in refusing his friend requests on social media not too long ago. I live for the day I hear that the fucker has finally kicked the bucket.

Rachel though, something about her the moment we meet her in game made me trust her. Even with MCs inner monologue about how evil she was, I just wanted to try and rebuild that relationship. And I'm super glad Rec allowed us to do so, even if the MC loves to drag their feet and rollback on their progress at the slightest provocation.

The more we learn about what went on, the more I feel that I was right. She is a victim of the true villain, MC Dad. Everyone suffered under that prick, and while it's not ok for Rachel to take her pain out on MC either, it is something I can understand and forgive personally in this case. While still hoping to one day piss on my own dad's grave. Brains are weird.
That's been the maturing of the MC. The *bad memories* coming up and giving the MC perspective, that Rachel was a victim as much as any of them. The bad memories are helping him get past the self-centeredness of youth.

For me, it was an uncle. I don't know how much of it was moving to Santa Cruz (where diversity is a common thing) or the death of my abuser, but I suddenly felt more free to be non-conforming, to not have to hide behind a veil of normalcy. I let my hair grow and dyed it purple!
 
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I let my hair grow and died it purple!
Not a bad choice, I went more with Fuscia. My hair was so naturally dark (yet not black) that bleaching it out twice in a row gave me a golden blond/brown mix, like a lion's mane. 2 days later the roomie decided she wanted to add color back in. It was cool rocking the two-tone look, but any time sunlight hit my hair the entire car interior lit up.

As far as the MC and his/her trauma goes, hopefully it doesn't send them off the deep end. Katherine's almost the perfect person to help them work through some of it, surely. (I say almost, because I guess you shouldn't fuck your therapist, but.. AVN logic!)
 
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Not a bad choice, I went more with Fuscia. My hair was so naturally dark (yet not black) that bleaching it out twice in a row gave me a golden blond/brown mix, like a lion's mane. 2 days later the roomie decided she wanted to add color back in. It was cool rocking the two-tone look, but any time sunlight hit my hair the entire car interior lit up.

As far as the MC and his/her trauma goes, hopefully it doesn't send them off the deep end. Katherine's almost the perfect person to help them work through some of it, surely. (I say almost, because I guess you shouldn't fuck your therapist, but.. AVN logic!)
But there's so much porn about fucking your therapist! How could it be wrong? ;)
 
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