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Bruce F. Lee

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You are missing the point.

The hymen proves that a woman didn't have sex before you. The absence of a hymen does not prove that she did have sex, but if she has a hymen you can be sure.

If you plan to spend the rest of your lives together, it doesn't matter if the first time sex is good or not. You'll have the rest of your life to work up to having great sex.

If a person was very promiscuous before entering into a relationship with you, chances are that she (or he) will continue to be promiscuous. And if for whatever reason she get's bored, she might be more inclined to cheat on you compared to a woman who was a virgin before you met her.

Of course there are no guarantees either way but past behaviour can be good indicator of future behaviour.
It’s often the other way around. I’ve known several couples where one or both of them were virgins before they got married. At some point, the one who was a virgin starts wondering what they missed and either cheats, swings, or gets a hall pass. If you date someone with some experience, they’ll already have a sense of what they like and don’t like. Marrying someone with whom you already know you are compatible makes for a stronger relationship, in my opinion.
 

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It’s often the other way around. I’ve known several couples where one or both of them were virgins before they got married. At some point, the one who was a virgin starts wondering what they missed and either cheats, swings, or gets a hall pass. If you date someone with some experience, they’ll already have a sense of what they like and don’t like. Marrying someone with whom you already know you are compatible makes for a stronger relationship, in my opinion.
This entire discussion is totally off topic for the game, I think, but anyway.

What I think is important for a relationship to work is commitment to it.

No person and no relationship is perfect, but committing to it means that you are willing to work through whatever issues may come up. Some of these issues may, to an objective by-stander, appear to be big or tiny but they are for whatever reason very important to either partner. Most often, these issues are not of a sexual nature.

By entering marriage as a virgin, man or woman, you have already shown commitment to a possible future relationship. You have shown respect to your future partner without even having met her.

If commitment really is what makes a relationship endure, then having this commitment even before the relationship starts seems like a good indicator of success to me.
 

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im laughing my ass off! :KEK:

recreation you pervy fuck made emojis hahaha
Yes, and it was pretty awful to get there, steam requires you to make trading cards, wallpapers, and the emotes have to be super tiny, have no background, etc..
Anyway, I'm happy with the results :D
 

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Yes, and it was pretty awful to get there, steam requires you to make trading cards, wallpapers, and the emotes have to be super tiny, have no background, etc..
Anyway, I'm happy with the results :D
I'm curious, where did you learn how to get started on Steam? I wouldn't mind looking into it. Not for a visual novel, but for a much older game I worked on between 1998 and 2018 I was thinking of doing a remake for and that would be a nice thing to keep in mind if I decide to.
 

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Has anyone done a walkthrough, yet? I realize it's just a visual novel but I am curious if the choice to be nice or not to Rachel, at the start, really has any significance?
 

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Has anyone done a walkthrough, yet? I realize it's just a visual novel but I am curious if the choice to be nice or not to Rachel, at the start, really has any significance?
The multimod in the op has a walkthrough, as far as I can remember it just gets you some points with her.
 
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By entering marriage as a virgin, man or woman, you have already shown commitment to a possible future relationship. You have shown respect to your future partner without even having met her.
Wow, that's rich. Maybe from a dude's point of view. I really don't care what you are reading in any of these VN's, for most women it's extremely personal. For them, not you. You don't matter in that. Sorry to bust your ego. It's also a painful, ugly experience. Trust me, they are well aware of that going in, way much more so than any dude could be. Laughable some of the crap dialog you read in these VN's "She's so tight it's just as painful for me" which is the biggest bunch of all the bunches I've ever heard. It isn't shit compared to what she's experiencing, both during and after (for a day or two). Unless treated with the ultimate compassion and caring by her partner, it can foster some pretty damned deep burning resentments. Speaking of resentments in the first place and in this day and age, how many 2023 young ladies do you think you will find who will not resent having her virginity treated as if it was something anyone was entitled to. Or one who will not resent the fact that anyone would consider her in some substandard way to be unable to commit to her relationships just because she didn't "hang on" to that excruciating experience.
 

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I'm also curious whether there will be a sequel that builds on the main story.
Would miss the characters' relationships if it were a completely new story.
As a big sister who loves her younger sister (not sexually but passionately).:)
The game is completely free from social rules with emotions and a story that could happen so dramatically based on a real condemned reality is beautiful.
Like a short novel of forbidden love that many fantasy and romantic enthusiasts read.:ROFLMAO:
 

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Wow, that's rich. Maybe from a dude's point of view. I really don't care what you are reading in any of these VN's, for most women it's extremely personal. For them, not you. You don't matter in that. Sorry to bust your ego. It's also a painful, ugly experience. Trust me, they are well aware of that going in, way much more so than any dude could be. Laughable some of the crap dialog you read in these VN's "She's so tight it's just as painful for me" which is the biggest bunch of all the bunches I've ever heard. It isn't shit compared to what she's experiencing, both during and after (for a day or two). Unless treated with the ultimate compassion and caring by her partner, it can foster some pretty damned deep burning resentments. Speaking of resentments in the first place and in this day and age, how many 2023 young ladies do you think you will find who will not resent having her virginity treated as if it was something anyone was entitled to. Or one who will not resent the fact that anyone would consider her in some substandard way to be unable to commit to her relationships just because she didn't "hang on" to that excruciating experience.
Again, totally off topic, but for me, it's not about the hymen or about the "experience" for either partner. It's about wanting to wait for the right person, as opposed to caving in to "needs" or peer pressure. To me it is more on a spiritual level than on a physical level, and that's why I don't really differentiate between male and female virginity.

So I actually agree with you, the right person will treat the woman "with the ultimate compassion and caring" and certainly not "treat her virginity as if it was something anyone was entitled to".
 
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Again, totally off topic, but for me, it's not about the hymen or about the "experience" for either partner. It's about wanting to wait for the right person.

So I actually agree with you, the right person will treat the woman "with the ultimate compassion and caring" and certainly not "treat her virginity as if it was something anyone was entitled to".
Trials and errors. You don't know who the right person is just by talking, and reserving yourself for that sweet talker is rather vain. Seneca wrote somewhere that you don't judge someone by what he (or she) says but by what he does, I tend to agree with that. It's after that something or some things (in any field, not only in bed) happened that you can know if it's the right person, not before.
 

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Trials and errors. You don't know who the right person is just by talking, and reserving yourself for that sweet talker is rather vain. Seneca wrote somewhere that you don't judge someone by what he (or she) says but by what he does, I tend to agree with that. It's after that something or some things (in any field, not only in bed) happened that you can know if it's the right person, not before.
Can't disagree with Seneca, obviously.

But what happens in the bedroom is only a small part of an actual relationship.

Trial and error is fine but it does not have to extend to sex. And vaginal intercourse is only a part of sex.
 
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Can't disagree with Seneca, obviously.

But what happens in the bedroom is only a small part of an actual relationship.
Not so small, I think. It's not only about getting pleasure, but about finding peace in someone's arms.
Trial and error is fine but it does not have to extend to sex. And vaginal intercourse is only a part of sex.
I'm not sure I understand. Unless you mean admiring a lovely smile and a lovely person are as important, at least, I can't disagree. I'm rather archaic :) For me beauty is a benediction.
 
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Not so small, I think. It's not only about getting pleasure, but about finding peace in someone's arms.
That's for sure but I think you can sample that also without intercourse.

I'm not sure I understand. Unless you mean admiring a lovely smile and a lovely person are as important, at least, I can't disagree. I'm rather archaic :) For me beauty is a benediction.
What I mean is that you can date another person and get to know each other without sex. And if you do want to get intimate, it does not have to be intercourse. Also here, the right person will respect that, and will respect you more for it. The wrong person won't accept it and then the sweet talker will be exposed for what he is.

But honestly, I think what goes wrong most often in relationships are discussions about where to put your shoes, when to do the dishes and banal stuff like that.
 
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But honestly, I think what goes wrong most often in relationships are discussions about where to put your shoes, when to do the dishes and banal stuff like that.
Diplomacy is the key like between two countries :LOL: Do we negotiate a compromise instead of declaring war to each other?
 
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There haven't been any updates or news about the next update from the patron page since October '23, maybe dev wrote something about it on his Christmas post. Does anybody know more?
 
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