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[Rehwyn]

I'd seen that, and I'm looking forward to it. I may go back and play the Val or Zenda routes, but these four are really speaking to me right now--I'm just glad I don't have to narrow it down any further.

Those are both good solo paths, so if the characters interest you I'd check them out. And I say that as someone that generally prefers poly paths.

But yeah, the MASH ending is still my favorite.

 

[danb35]

if the characters interest

I mean, they're hot (pretty much the hottest in the game), so there's that. I'm a little suspicious of both of them (sure, AVN logic means the MC is always a chick magnet, but they're both coming on awfully strong), but I expect if I continue on their respective paths I'll learn more about them and why they are the way they are. Val in particular has some 'splaining to do, I think.

But The Interim Domain has changed my views, at least somewhat, on solo routes/endings. I don't know if I'll take the time to run through on a solo Mora or Sadie route, but it is kind of tempting.

 

[Elhemeer]

I mean, they're hot (pretty much the hottest in the game), so there's that. I'm a little suspicious of both of them (sure, AVN logic means the MC is always a chick magnet, but they're both coming on awfully strong), but I expect if I continue on their respective paths I'll learn more about them and why they are the way they are. Val in particular has some 'splaining to do, I think.

But The Interim Domain has changed my views, at least somewhat, on solo routes/endings. I don't know if I'll take the time to run through on a solo Mora or Sadie route, but it is kind of tempting.

I personally have issues with both their paths, but that's all in the first couple of chapters. The rest is worth the wait if you give them a try.

 

[danb35]

OK, after trivia night with Mora, I've definitely fallen for her. She's just too cute--yes, in her looks, but more than that in her personality. And, OK, the sex scene was pretty hot. Blindsiding her with Sadie was a shitty thing to do, even if it heads in the direction I want to go.

And I haven't yet heard how Sadie feels about all this--Mora already knows she's one of three, so in one sense being one of four might not be that big of a change (ignoring the Tyler thing for the moment). But AFAIK Sadie didn't know until sitting on the couch with the other three that MC was with anyone else--you'd think that'd be a bit of a shock to her.

Though Athena's reaction--and Heidi's digging into it--make for an interesting twist.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I personally have issues with both their paths, but that's all in the first couple of chapters. The rest is worth the wait if you give them a try.

In my opinion, Val's story ultimately makes perfect sense, albeit a little overdramatised, but it makes sense.


At a certain point, Zenda undergoes a sudden, somewhat unclear evolution, which must simply be accepted.

 

[danb35]

Val's

I'm a little conflicted on Val at this point. I'm working toward the MASH ending, for the simple reasons that (1) it's the closest there is to a harem route in the game, and (2) I just like those four best. With a side of (3) I'm kind of suspicious of Val.*

But having decided that, there's still a good bit of Val content, which I don't mind in the abstract (she is, IMO, one of the hottest women in the game), but it makes me feel like I/MC are leading her on. Which I'd just rather not do.

* I'm with MC in feeling that Val (and Zenda, but that's a separate issue) are way out of his league, but she's coming on to him, hard, from the moment she meets him. Sure, AVN logic means the MC is going to be a chick magnet, but this is kind of over-the-top. And she's testing him at the bar, and he's failing. Combine that with her knowing who MC really is, and my spidey-senses are tingling. She's well-armed and has a safe room? Now it's looking pretty suspicious indeed. I'm sure if I finish her path, much of this will be explained. If I don't, well, I guess I'll see.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm a little conflicted on Val at this point. I'm working toward the MASH ending, for the simple reasons that (1) it's the closest there is to a harem route in the game, and (2) I just like those four best. With a side of (3) I'm kind of suspicious of Val.*

But having decided that, there's still a good bit of Val content, which I don't mind in the abstract (she is, IMO, one of the hottest women in the game), but it makes me feel like I/MC are leading her on. Which I'd just rather not do.

* I'm with MC in feeling that Val (and Zenda, but that's a separate issue) are way out of his league, but she's coming on to him, hard, from the moment she meets him. Sure, AVN logic means the MC is going to be a chick magnet, but this is kind of over-the-top. Combine that with her knowing who MC really is, and my spidey-senses are tingling. She's well-armed and has a safe room? Now it's looking pretty suspicious indeed. I'm sure if I finish her path, much of this will be explained. If I don't, well, I guess I'll see.

For both, the assumption is that MC is ‘irresistible’ for plot reasons.


Val wants to have sex with him, without any particular connection (at least at the beginning, but there is a reason for the change). It's a simple situation; you may not like it, but there's not much to discover.


Zenda has a much more complicated attitude. She doesn't seem to particularly like MC for who he is; on the contrary, she wants to change him (which is realistic) and immediately invests a lot in him, without MC having really done anything special, apart from accepting her advances. It's a much more suspicious situation. And as the story progresses, the situation doesn't become any clearer; on the contrary, it becomes more complicated.

 

[Rehwyn]

OK, after trivia night with Mora, I've definitely fallen for her. She's just too cute--yes, in her looks, but more than that in her personality. And, OK, the sex scene was pretty hot. Blindsiding her with Sadie was a shitty thing to do, even if it heads in the direction I want to go.

And I haven't yet heard how Sadie feels about all this--Mora already knows she's one of three, so in one sense being one of four might not be that big of a change (ignoring the Tyler thing for the moment). But AFAIK Sadie didn't know until sitting on the couch with the other three that MC was with anyone else--you'd think that'd be a bit of a shock to her.

Though Athena's reaction--and Heidi's digging into it--make for an interesting twist.

From what I remember, Sadie isn't oblivious. She almost certainly knows MC is involved with Heidi, Athena, and Mora even if it's not been explicitly discussed.

After all, MC lives with Heidi, Athena, and Mora and Sadie has hung out with them before (it's implied even if not shown). And by that point those three are not subtle with public displays of affection.

Still nowhere near Chapter 5 MASH levels of PDA (poor Becky), but still... I'm sure Sadie would know or strongly suspect.

 

[Elhemeer]

I have different problems with both of them.

In my opinion, Val's story ultimately makes perfect sense, albeit a little overdramatised, but it makes sense.

I'm a little conflicted on Val at this point. I'm working toward the MASH ending, for the simple reasons that (1) it's the closest there is to a harem route in the game, and (2) I just like those four best. With a side of (3) I'm kind of suspicious of Val.*

But having decided that, there's still a good bit of Val content, which I don't mind in the abstract (she is, IMO, one of the hottest women in the game), but it makes me feel like I/MC are leading her on. Which I'd just rather not do.

* I'm with MC in feeling that Val (and Zenda, but that's a separate issue) are way out of his league, but she's coming on to him, hard, from the moment she meets him. Sure, AVN logic means the MC is going to be a chick magnet, but this is kind of over-the-top. And she's testing him at the bar, and he's failing. Combine that with her knowing who MC really is, and my spidey-senses are tingling. She's well-armed and has a safe room? Now it's looking pretty suspicious indeed. I'm sure if I finish her path, much of this will be explained. If I don't, well, I guess I'll see.

My problem with Val is the reveal that she knows who he is. The way she does it, and the way he reacts to other possibilities that people might/have found out, I feel like he shouldn't trust her and would bolt again, despite how much he wants to stay. If she'd sat him down and explained better, rather than surprising him while in a compromising position, I'd have felt better about it.

At a certain point, Zenda undergoes a sudden, somewhat unclear evolution, which must simply be accepted.

This one falls more into the category of "Do I want to be her pet" ... Even though that's not where the story goes, there's no way to say "no" when it becomes clear she basically wants a trophy date. Also, by then you're pretty much cut out of any other path, so even if you could drop her (now I'm wondering if there was, but I don't remember there being a way ... except maybe crash-and-burn?), there's no way to build up any other relationship.

Spoiler: Anyway, I'm also a fan of the M*A*S*H path.

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[JJ1960]

I have different problems with both of them.


My problem with Val is the reveal that she knows who he is. The way she does it, and the way he reacts to other possibilities that people might/have found out, I feel like he shouldn't trust her and would bolt again, despite how much he wants to stay. If she'd sat him down and explained better, rather than surprising him while in a compromising position, I'd have felt better about it.

This one falls more into the category of "Do I want to be her pet" ... Even though that's not where the story goes, there's no way to say "no" when it becomes clear she basically wants a trophy date. Also, by then you're pretty much cut out of any other path, so even if you could drop her (now I'm wondering if there was, but I don't remember there being a way ... except maybe crash-and-burn?), there's no way to build up any other relationship.

Spoiler: Anyway, I'm also a fan of the M*A*S*H path.

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Why does Father Mulcahy have his hand on Heidi's ass? I thought he was supposed to be celibate.

 

[Rehwyn]

Why does Father Mulcahy have his hand on Heidi's ass? I thought he was supposed to be celibate.

It's Heidi. Can you blame him?

Also, knowing Heidi, she probably thought it would be ironic and decided to expand her harem symbolically.

 

[Elhemeer]

Why does Father Mulcahy have his hand on Heidi's ass? I thought he was supposed to be celibate.

Hehe, never noticed that. Better question would be why does Col. Potter have his face in there? ^_^

 

[danb35]

For both, the assumption is that MC is ‘irresistible’ for plot reasons.

Pretty much universal for an AVN, granted--the MC is always, in the words of Frankie Mermaid from The Velocipastor, "swimming in bitches." To me, Val in particular (Zenda too as far as I've seen, but I haven't gotten past that first date with her since I backed up and decided I'd rather hang with H&A) seems to turn this up to 11.

Val wants to have sex with him, without any particular connection (at least at the beginning, but there is a reason for the change)

I'm writing from the perspective of early Ch. 4, just after going shooting with Val, so I haven't seen anything that happens afterward that may further explain that. But with that said, it doesn't seem that simple.

Specifically, at the bar, Val at least suspects that MC isn't telling the truth. I caught at least one error at the time (I-40 doesn't go through Denver, or indeed through Colorado at all), but wasn't sure whether that was an error by the writer, or intended by Val to be a test of MC. We now know that it was a test, because Val says as much when she tells MC that she knows who he is. So here's what I know so far:

• Val immediately wants to take MC to bed, though she knows he isn't who/what he claims to be.
  • And she had some, as yet unknown, reason to test him there in the first place.
• By their (second? third?) encounter, if not before, she knows who he is and why he's there.
• At that time, Val promises to protect MC, and makes claims of being well-prepared to do so, including having a safe room. Guns aren't that unusual in the US (though somewhat more so in New York), but safe rooms--of the sort that could reasonably be expected to protect you against a well-equipped and -motivated adversary, as we're dealing with here--are.
• Val has yet to explain how she knows what she knows, or why she has what she has.
• And she's very interested that MC talk with her.

The last bullet, of course, is entirely consistent with her being sincere, but it's equally consistent with her being up to no good.

Anyway--I'm not asking for spoilers, nor am I saying I just can't trust her, but I think those are some reasons to be a bit suspicious of her.

If she'd sat him down and explained better, rather than surprising him while in a compromising position, I'd have felt better about it.

Yeah, pretty much that.

Sadie isn't oblivious. She almost certainly knows MC is involved with Heidi, Athena, and Mora

Fair. She's certainly no dummy, and presumably knows that Mora's moved in with MC and H&A (of course, Mora lived, and even slept, with Tyler, and the fool never touched her). H&A, well, could have been just roommates. But you're right that neither of them--especially Heidi--knows the meaning of "subtle."

 

[Elhemeer]

But you're right that neither of them--especially Heidi--knows the meaning of "subtle."

To Heidi, "subtle" is walking up to you in the middle of a crowd, pulling you in for a deep kiss, then saying "Let's get out of here ..."

 

[Rehwyn]

Fair. She's certainly no dummy, and presumably knows that Mora's moved in with MC and H&A (of course, Mora lived, and even slept, with Tyler, and the fool never touched her). H&A, well, could have been just roommates. But you're right that neither of them--especially Heidi--knows the meaning of "subtle."

There's also the fact that by then, he's already been openly dating Heidi, Athena, and Mora for months, if I remember right. Unlike with Sadie, it's also not a taboo dyad, so he has little reason to hide it.

I basically guarantee he's mentioned something the "sorry, can't hang out tonight - I have a date with X" a few times to Sadie. Or it's come up in conversation otherwise. When you're dating three women, that'll come up a lot.

 

[danb35]

dating Heidi, Athena, and Mora for months

Good point. The "seven weeks later" (or whatever) doesn't always fully register, but you're right that it seems like it would have come up in the couple of months that we don't see.

As a counterpoint, though, when we see him turn down something (e.g., a date with Val), we don't see him do this. Even though Val's said she's fine if MC's with other girls, we don't see him tell her, "sorry, I have a date with Heidi that night;" he just says he's busy.

 

[Uller the Hunter]

Pretty much universal for an AVN, granted--the MC is always, in the words of Frankie Mermaid from The Velocipastor, "swimming in bitches." To me, Val in particular (Zenda too as far as I've seen, but I haven't gotten past that first date with her since I backed up and decided I'd rather hang with H&A) seems to turn this up to 11.

I'm writing from the perspective of early Ch. 4, just after going shooting with Val, so I haven't seen anything that happens afterward that may further explain that. But with that said, it doesn't seem that simple.

Specifically, at the bar, Val at least suspects that MC isn't telling the truth. I caught at least one error at the time (I-40 doesn't go through Denver, or indeed through Colorado at all), but wasn't sure whether that was an error by the writer, or intended by Val to be a test of MC. We now know that it was a test, because Val says as much when she tells MC that she knows who he is. So here's what I know so far:

• Val immediately wants to take MC to bed, though she knows he isn't who/what he claims to be.
  • And she had some, as yet unknown, reason to test him there in the first place.
• By their (second? third?) encounter, if not before, she knows who he is and why he's there.
• At that time, Val promises to protect MC, and makes claims of being well-prepared to do so, including having a safe room. Guns aren't that unusual in the US (though somewhat more so in New York), but safe rooms--of the sort that could reasonably be expected to protect you against a well-equipped and -motivated adversary, as we're dealing with here--are.
• Val has yet to explain how she knows what she knows, or why she has what she has.
• And she's very interested that MC talk with her.

The last bullet, of course, is entirely consistent with her being sincere, but it's equally consistent with her being up to no good.

Anyway--I'm not asking for spoilers, nor am I saying I just can't trust her, but I think those are some reasons to be a bit suspicious of her.

Yeah, pretty much that.

Fair. She's certainly no dummy, and presumably knows that Mora's moved in with MC and H&A (of course, Mora lived, and even slept, with Tyler, and the fool never touched her). H&A, well, could have been just roommates. But you're right that neither of them--especially Heidi--knows the meaning of "subtle."

i dont remember when it happens but val does give mc some backstory if you go on a specific date with her. theres a chance you go with someone else tho i cant remember who it was. she has the vault room for a reason

 

[Elhemeer]

i dont remember when it happens but val does give mc some backstory if you go on a specific date with her. theres a chance you go with someone else tho i cant remember who it was. she has the vault room for a reason

Yea, to really get Val's full story -- or Zenda's for that matter -- you can't miss any of their content.

Zenda doesn't give you any room to do so, but Val lets you play around, so you can miss some of her content before she makes you choose.

 

[FakeWuxia]

Man I have replayed this a few times and I just wish there was a Val and Nicole throuple.

 

[Elhemeer]

Man I have replayed this a few times and I just wish there was a Val and Nicole throuple.

Well, Nicole is an LI in the new game, and who knows, she may be part of some group activity eventually (probably actually)