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That's what you get when it's legal to marry your cousin in many countries in the world, including 17 to 19 U.S. states :BootyTime:
While it may not technically be illegal is some places, it still is and always should be immoral.

I don't tend to look at people's AVN preference through a moral lens, this shit is all a fictional fantasy. I assume that most can separate fantasy from reality. I just find it funny how far things have to go for it to be not seen as vanilla. Or just normal non-related romance isn't enough for some.
 

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While it may not technically be illegal is some places, it still is and always should be immoral.

I don't tend to look at people's AVN preference through a moral lens, this shit is all a fictional fantasy. I assume that most can separate fantasy from reality. I just find it funny how far things have to go for it to be not seen as vanilla. Or just normal non-related romance isn't enough for some.
If your position is based on genetics, I'd like to state that when people argue that first-cousin relationships are immoral primarily because of the risk of genetic defects, that risk is often overstated. For a single generation, the risk of congenital conditions is estimated at around 5-6%, compared to roughly 2-3% for unrelated partners - similar to the baseline risk associated with a woman having children at age 40. This also assumes reproduction is even intended, rather than prevented by a couple through measures like sterilization or contraception.

To me, arguments against incest that rely heavily on genetics risk smuggling in eugenic assumptions - especially when comparable or greater risks are widely tolerated in other contexts. We generally do not treat elevated genetic risk, by itself, as a moral failing of a relationship. That doesn’t mean all incest is morally permissible, but it does suggest that genetics alone is an ethically unstable foundation for condemnation, particularly in the case of cousins.

When we’re talking about consenting adults, I’m generally wary of categorical moral prohibitions without a very strong, non-selective account of harm. In the case of first cousins, most of the usual moral concerns associated with incest such as coercion, power asymmetry, and role violation don’t reliably apply, leaving genetic risk to do most of the work.

Combined with the fact that cousin relationships are far less likely than parent-child or sibling relationships to involve coercion or abuse, this helps explain why cousin marriage has historically been treated differently - both morally and legally.

In any case, you're right in that in AVNs it's all fictional fantasy anyways. But it's also why someone like Sadie doesn't bother me morally.
 
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I'm sure I'm stepping on a well-trodden minefield with this question, but I tried searching, and aside from lots of arguing, I couldn't really see any clear answers.

Are any of the LI's straight? Like, no matter what happens in the story, they will only be interested in a relationship with a man? Just want to make sure I have my expectations set.

Thanks!
 

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I'm sure I'm stepping on a well-trodden minefield with this question, but I tried searching, and aside from lots of arguing, I couldn't really see any clear answers.

Are any of the LI's straight? Like, no matter what happens in the story, they will only be interested in a relationship with a man? Just want to make sure I have my expectations set.

Thanks!
That probably depends what you mean by "straight". Zenda and Val are the only possible LIs that aren't bisexual in at least one path, since the other four main LIs clearly can be bisexual on poly paths. Zenda can experiment a bit on her path though in a threesome. I don't think she lands on considering herself bi there. I forget details about Val though, but she's a monogamous only path.
 
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Great, appreciated :) I'm going with Athena and Heidi but wow, I feel like such an asshole rejecting other people



I had thought I was just being nice to Mora but had to choose like 3 separate times to "NOT DO THE ROMANTIC THING" T-T. didn't feel right bringing her into the weirdness of the 3 for this first playthrough.
 

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Great, appreciated :) I'm going with Athena and Heidi but wow, I feel like such an asshole rejecting other people



I had thought I was just being nice to Mora but had to choose like 3 separate times to "NOT DO THE ROMANTIC THING" T-T. didn't feel right bringing her into the weirdness of the 3 for this first playthrough.
I get that. I totally went for the 5-person polycule my first playthrough though since I liked Athena, Mora, and Heidi and decided "Why not Sadie too?" :ROFLMAO:
 

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Kinda wish Mira was an LI too as she is way hotter than the other LI's IMO.
Nicole too...
Mira is a cameo from the game "Three Rules of Life" and Nicole is in their new game Heaven's Door as a main LI named Sky iirc. I think she's supposed to literally be an alternate universe and younger Nicole or something along those lines. Anyway, it's a very similar model.
 

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Athena solo route made me grin like an idiot. Didn't expect this kind of sweetness from a goth girl route
 

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X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error)
Major opcode of failed request: 18 (X_ChangeProperty)
Serial number of failed request: 382
Current serial number in output stream: 382


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Found this from a guy that had the same problem in Itch.io, hopefully it works for you:



This should be the quick fix for you: resize "BWLogoMenuWindow2.png" to a smaller size (1000x1000 should work) and that'll fix it for you.

That image is inside Bare Witness/game/gui folder.
On behalf of all who got that error, Thank you very much for you help! :)
 
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Ended up playing through all 11 endings (with a bit of help from URM lol). Absolutely loved the game and Heaven's Gate is looking just as good. Question regarding Nicole though, there was a pregnancy variable with her but nothing came of it despite it being left on true - even during the Solo Ending - aside from when Val would initially end things. Is there supposed to be any content regarding Nicole's pregnancy that I missed due to changing the variables or was that just there to close Val's path?
 
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Ended up playing through all 11 endings (with a bit of help from URM lol). Absolutely loved the game and Heaven's Gate is looking just as good. Question regarding Nicole though, there was a pregnancy variable with her but nothing came of it despite it being left on true - even during the Solo Ending - aside from when Val would initially end things. Is there supposed to be any content regarding Nicole's pregnancy that I missed due to changing the variables or was that just there to close Val's path?
Appreciate the kind words, but you've been got by Slockie's variable naming, which was specifically named that to screw with modders.
 
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