felicemastronzo

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Agreed. Neil works in construction… as does my brother, who owns a half-million-dollar house, three cars, and supports a wife and five kids with that income. And Neil’s a supervisor… and somehow he’s barely getting by.

Now, a plausible explanation would be that when Lynette died, the doctors went to extraordinary lengths to save her, and they were very expensive, and Neil got saddled with the entirety of that hospital bill.

I have a friend who nearly lost her life to Covid, and her bill was in the millions. Without health insurance, she’d be paying that (and her student loans) off for life. If Neil was uninsured—if he’s non-union and his bosses shafted him—of course he’s poor, and might be poor forever. And if he earns enough money to pay those giant bills and a mortgage, he’s not eligible for government aid.

So: implausible, but not impossible. It’s just DPC never fully explained the poverty.
The only explanation in the story is the legal problems Neil allegedly had. But this is news thrown in at the beginning of the game and never surfaced again. Hard to give it any dimension
 

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This feels like nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, tbh.
It isn't. Do you live in the US? Go to the nearest college campus and start counting cars. For that matter, go to the nearest high school. For MC to have driven only rarely before taking Cathy home is silly. For him to be shocked that Jill's car has aircon beggars belief.
 

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Neil's poverty can be realistic considering what is written in Neil's BIO. He once had a legal dispute and something like that can drive a person into lifelong poverty.:unsure:
Even with legal problems it shouldn't lead to a life time of poverty unless he fuck up massively, but what are these legal problems if they really this bad then how does Neil even have a job something like that would make him a big risk and another question why isn't Neil in lock up in a jail cell?
 

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Even with legal problems it shouldn't lead to a life time of poverty unless he fuck up massively, but what are these legal problems if they really this bad then how does Neil even have a job something like that would make him a big risk and another question why isn't Neil in lock up in a jail cell?
He means a civil judgment, not a criminal one.
 
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The only explanation in the story is the legal problems Neil allegedly had. But this is news thrown in at the beginning of the game and never surfaced again. Hard to give it any dimension
I'm assuming this is because the MC didn't bond with Neil until he was 12. It was only through a legal dispute that Neil was awarded custody of his son.
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Even with legal problems it shouldn't lead to a life time of poverty unless he fuck up massively, but what are these legal problems if they really this bad then how does Neil even have a job something like that would make him a big risk and another question why isn't Neil in lock up in a jail cell?
Don't find a problem where there isn't one. Are you conducting a legal dispute yourself without having legal protection insurance? Let's see how far you get. It also depends on who you are suing. If your opponent is rich, he will drag you from court to court and legal fees are not cheap.

For example, why would he go to prison over a custody dispute? One speaks of a legal dispute and not of a criminal case or a capital crime.
 

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It isn't. Do you live in the US? Go to the nearest college campus and start counting cars. For that matter, go to the nearest high school. For MC to have driven only rarely before taking Cathy home is silly. For him to be shocked that Jill's car has aircon beggars belief.
Like the others pointed out, the game simply doesn't have that many scenes where you would have any actual opportunity to see cars, but it's a mistake to conclude from this that the cars are non-existent.

I seriously doubt DPC isn't aware that cars are prominent in the US, especially when students bragging about their cars and showing them off is pretty standard part of the college life movies this game is very much based on.

And MC's family being excessively poor is, again, not very convincing that the game somehow portrays American culture all wrong. Because that's literally one person out of dozens and on top of it it's the person the game has vested interest in portraying as poor bumpkin, even if it does it in ham-fisted manner.
 

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He means a civil judgment, not a criminal one.
That's never stated other then in the bio but since you can't go to jail over debt one would think it a civil case but the question still reminds what did Neil do that so bad that he in this big a hole
 

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Don't find a problem where there isn't one. Are you conducting a legal dispute yourself without having legal protection insurance? Let's see how far you get. It also depends on who you are suing. If your opponent is rich, he will drag you from court to court and legal fees are not cheap.

For example, why would he go to prison over a custody dispute? One speaks of a legal dispute and not of a criminal case or a capital crime.
Right but legal dispute can mean anything of course it most likely nothing that is criminal but it worth asking what did Neil do. Other wise it a plot hole because even if it someone just trying to drag you through the court a lawyer can handle it for you of course that cost money but still that would be something over time he can come out of .
 

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Right but legal dispute can mean anything of course it most likely nothing that is criminal but it worth asking what did Neil do. Other wise it a plot hole because even if it someone just trying to drag you through the court a lawyer can handle it for you of course that cost money but still that would be something over time he can come out of .
Doesn't have to be anything Neil has done specifically. Could be something like a company he worked for making him a scapegoat for some failure and saddling him with some kind of settlement payment.
 
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Doesn't have to be anything Neil has done specifically. Could be something like a company he worked for making him a scapegoat for some failure and saddling him with some kind of settlement payment.
Possible but that would make hard for Neil to get work
 

felicemastronzo

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Doesn't have to be anything Neil has done specifically. Could be something like a company he worked for making him a scapegoat for some failure and saddling him with some kind of settlement payment.
there doesn't seem to be any mention of this possible problem in the game, and we've seen Neil on the construction site and talked to people who work with him like Luis the window salesman, so I would dismiss it as a hypothesis
 

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Agreed. Neil works in construction… as does my brother, who owns a half-million-dollar house, three cars, and supports a wife and five kids with that income. And Neil’s a supervisor… and somehow he’s barely getting by.

Now, a plausible explanation would be that when Lynette died, the doctors went to extraordinary lengths to save her, and they were very expensive, and Neil got saddled with the entirety of that hospital bill.

I have a friend who nearly lost her life to Covid, and her bill was in the millions. Without health insurance, she’d be paying that (and her student loans) off for life. If Neil was uninsured—if he’s non-union and his bosses shafted him—of course he’s poor, and might be poor forever. And if he earns enough money to pay those giant bills and a mortgage, he’s not eligible for government aid.

So: implausible, but not impossible. It’s just DPC never fully explained the poverty.
Someone else made a similar point but 19 years of debt? There is such a thing as bankruptcy and it's not as hard as to get through as most think. It's also a plausible escape for Maya. Anyway we could quibble about it forever. The point is DPC doesn't research, he just makes up and that doesn't make for a very good story. Also, DPC claimed in one post that he visited San Diego once. I don't believe it, he's either totally oblivious or he steps around the truth a lot.
 

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While we don't know what kind of opportunities Neil has we know know he is working
He's working, yes...
But maybe he's so dumb that he forgets to collect his salary.
This would not be surprising. He's MC's father after all.
 
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