VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[dalli_x]

A proper, honest, Chick MC ( player ) not does any of those thing. so you Basically a Hypocrite .
It's always the same thing with chick players. They coming with their moral superiority complex, because they not even confident of their own actions.

Do not call me a hypocrite. My MC is of affinity CHICK and always sees Josy and Maya on their tits and their asses. But that's not hypocritical because my MC has chosen to be romantic with them. Josy and Maya know this. Josy, for example, just enjoys it when the MC sneaks peeks and teases him about it. Pencil under the table, for example. There are several such teases between the three.

The difference is only when a CHICK MC does such DIK actions with the LI (Josy and Maya in my case), what he really wants. Then it is more of a flattery and confirmation to the LI that the MC wants her. But this charm is lost when the MC looks under every skirt.

You are completely wrong with your last statement. It is not a complex and I am very sure of myself. Damn is that confidently formulated. Your statement, on the other hand, rather suggests insecurity, because you tried to be insulting rather than factual in your argument. That is a sign of weakness. Freely according to the motto, he who shouts stops thinking.

 

[Blades1138]

UGh, did I hit a nerve huh?

Of course, because the measure of my confidence is determined by how I'm perceived by a kid, in an online forum about porn. Thus I have an overwhelming desire to hammer on those I perceive as weak to appear more "alpha". Oh, wait ...

 

[Darkdevil66]

And inviting Mel and Sarah into the shower? I don’t even know what happens if you don’t choose that option!

Some girls like men in touch with their feminine side, others don't...

 

[ChipLecsap]

You are completely wrong with your last statement. It is not a complex and I am very sure of myself. Damn is that confidently formulated. Your statement, on the other hand, rather suggests insecurity, because you tried to be insulting rather than factual in your argument. That is a sign of weakness. Freely according to the motto, he who shouts stops thinking.

Yeah, Speaking of Facts, I still haven't read your comment that's say : Chip You were Right.
so we can come back to this once you done that

 

[shazba]

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Some girls like men in touch with their feminine side, others don't...

Truly a sad scene to behold.

Do not call me a hypocrite. My MC is of affinity CHICK and always sees Josy and Maya on their tits and their asses. But that's not hypocritical because my MC has chosen to be romantic with them. Josy and Maya know this. Josy, for example, just enjoys it when the MC sneaks peeks and teases him about it. Pencil under the table, for example. There are several such teases between the three.

The difference is only when a CHICK MC does such DIK actions with the LI (Josy and Maya in my case), what he really wants. Then it is more of a flattery and confirmation to the LI that the MC wants her. But this charm is lost when the MC looks under every skirt.

You are completely wrong with your last statement. It is not a complex and I am very sure of myself. Damn is that confidently formulated. Your statement, on the other hand, rather suggests insecurity, because you tried to be insulting rather than factual in your argument. That is a sign of weakness. Freely according to the motto, he who shouts stops thinking.

Even in a relationship with a girl, I have no interest looking up her skirt. Like I said, it seems creepy. If you're at a point in a relationship where the girl won't have a problem with you doing that, then I'd be more inclined to grope her ass or run a hand up under her shirt for a thrill. But peeking? Not my scene. So much so that I can't even get my DIK mc to do it.

And that brings me to this scene:

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There is no way in hell my hands wouldn't have been under their bikini tops in that scenario!

 

[FappingWorldwide]

You gotta give some credit to DPC in regards to his ability to make players immerse/ insert themselves into his MC variants.

It must be part of the reason why the the DIK V CHICK debate becomes so entrenched. Players seem to attach their own morals to both the MC, his choices and in their interpretations of the affinity system as a whole.

It’s probably worsened by the fact that peoples choices varies quite a bit between runs. IMO the judgement of the morality behind a significant amount of the choices, depend heavily on the specific nature of that particular play through. Wether or not the player thinks or wants his charter to be emotionally invested in an LI or not. The characters he bonds with counts, hell even your sense of humor can guide you down many divergent paths.

I think that the MC will almost always being viewed sympathetically by most characters regardless of the runs. IMO you almost have to go out of your way really be a cunt to as many characters as possible. Which IIRC ironically brings you closer towards neutrality affinity wise, but again the combined weight of the choices matter. That’s just my two cents .

 

[dalli_x]

Yeah, Speaking of Facts, I still haven't read your comment that's say : Chip You were Right.
so we can come back to this once you done that

If you're ever really right, I'll be man enough to send you this comment.

But why should I lie if you are not right?

 

[ChipLecsap]

Of course, because the measure of my confidence is determined by how I'm perceived by a kid, in an online forum about porn. Thus I have an overwhelming desire to hammer on those I perceive as weak to appear more "alpha". Oh, wait ...

Well, it's now the second day when you aggressively try to force a narrative about Chick MC superiority, so you cleary care about that we dont share your opinion.
and start to feel like you try to convince yourself, instead of us, with this passive aggressive, and goal post moving conversations.
I mean we all see the Fact, that it is Canon that Dik MC is more confident than Chick MC , and yet here we are.

 

[WastedEfforts]

Wow. The MC usually gets DIK points for secretly watching the girls. So according to your wording, the DIK's have no confidence because they are secretly watching. That was an own goal my good man.

Also, CHICK players can look at the girls tits and ass and not even secretly. My MC is always looking at Josy and Maya's tits and asses.

Blades1138 is partially right with what he writes. Arrogance is very sexy for many women, but only if there are values behind this arrogance. Those values are definitely not how many women a guy has fucked or how fast he can drink beer. So you're talking about a form of arrogance that has nothing to do with self-confidence.

Break down the word self-confidence. Self and confidence. This implies that a person knows themselves and can trust in themselves. The top DIK Tommy, can't even put his hand up for himself because he thinks he has his drug use under control, which is not the case when you see him sweating. Tommy doesn't thwart Caleb either. Where was his confidence then. Oh yeah, actually all the DIK's wanted to quit after the destruction of the Mansion. Where was their self-confidence so that they could get back on their feet under their own steam?

Except DIK MC is not arrogant. Most of his DIK actions are backed either by his experience or guts.
He can flirt with girls because of his big 'asset' and sexual experience due to Zoey. His physical actions backed by his training with dad.
Blades1138 was trying and failing to portray DIK MC like he's some kind of jerk, but he has no basis for this.
As for mansion, Caleb, etc., those are plot points. You can't do anything about them. I mean, MC wanted to quit college, no matter what affinity.

 

[ChipLecsap]

If you're ever really right, I'll be man enough to send you this comment.

But why should I lie if you are not right?

Well, twice now, I was right, and still not see that comment . First , it's the Canon storyline tha MC fight with Caleb, in episode 5. and Second. Dik MC is more Confident than Chick .
and these are all in the game, not in my mind .
so I'm waiting.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Except DIK MC is not arrogant. Most of his DIK actions are backed either by his experience or guts.
He can flirt with girls because of his big 'asset' and sexual experience due to Zoey. His physical actions backed by his training with dad.
Blades1138 was trying and failing to portray DIK MC like he's some kind of jerk, but he has no basis for this.
As for mansion, Caleb, etc., those are plot points. You can't do anything about them. I mean, MC wanted to quit college, no matter what affinity.

Nah, they never will admit it, they're learned from Turd's lawyers

"Objection heresay all day long Ambers lawyers can find no wrong "

 

[BartPS]

You're right, there's a whole spectrum, but since a lot of DIK actions are either rude, inappropriate, agressive or cocky, I conflated it into 'Jerk points' which got this "argument" started. While that may not be an accurate name, another thing's for sure - they're not 'Confidence points' by a long shot.

One thing I disagree that directness and confidence are specifically DIK traits. In general a lot of the points are more about how MC expresses himself rather than his qualities. How a menu choice is worded is hardly an indication of what's really going on. For example a certain choice could easily be changed to "Shoo the bitches away"/"Invite the girls in".
A person can be both direct and confident without acting sexually aggressive or cocky. The Major choices are what's most impactful to MC's actual character.

I agree, and a lot of this debate is based on stereotypes: "real men" are aggressive, sexist, selfish, philandering etc., whereas our "ideal woman" is supportive, loving, faithful, and hopefully dim enough not to notice that we are fucking around. In reality, men, women and others are much more complex, sometimes even mercurial, swinging wildly between extremes.

Even the word "spectrum" is misleading because it indicates a single dimension. By reducing everything down into a single DIK<->CHICK dimension, DPC does make the game a lot more straightforward - you get a sense of your character at a glance rather than having to compare strength, intelligence, charisma and so forth. But it does detract from the suspension of disbelief; having the MC's character and interactions based on such a simplistic metric, for me doesn't quite gel with the otherwise rich, complex world and narrative.

Anyway, for me, I prefer to make choices that appeal to me in the moment, then just use the mod to view all the lewd scenes I missed.

 

[Blades1138]

Well, it's now the second day when you aggressively try to force a narrative about Chick MC superiority, so you cleary care about that we dont share your opinion.

If that's the conclusion you've reached by me saying 'Jerk points', I urge you to try harder.
As for posts, I tend to respond in kind to how people treat/talk to me, as I'm sure you're referring to my exchange with a specific person.

and start to feel like you try to convince yourself, instead of us, with this passive aggressive, and goal post moving conversations.

I'm not even sure why you keep talking about goalposts, as if I've ever set a target or asked you to prove something.

I mean we all see the Fact, that it is Canon that Dik MC is more confident than Chick MC , and yet here we are.

You're free to see whatever you want as Canon. The points system itself hasn't affected the main storyline, where MC's behavior is inconsistent. In fact for the most part it indicates only how he expresses himself and how he's perceived by others. Or did your enormous mega DIK MC accept Sage's advances in his room ?

 

[Jimayo]

UGh, did I hit a nerve huh?

Code for I can't really make a real argument against what you said so I'm just going to act like I won cause I'm a pigeon.

 

[WastedEfforts]

Code for I can't really make a real argument against what you said so I'm just going to act like I won cause I'm a pigeon.

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[Jimayo]

Except DIK MC is not arrogant. Most of his DIK actions are backed either by his experience or guts.
He can flirt with girls because of his big 'asset' and sexual experience due to Zoey. His physical actions backed by his training with dad.
Blades1138 was trying and failing to portray DIK MC like he's some kind of jerk, but he has no basis for this.
As for mansion, Caleb, etc., those are plot points. You can't do anything about them. I mean, MC wanted to quit college, no matter what affinity.

Getting into fights you don't have to is a jerk action. Any martial arts instructor worth his salt will teach you that you don't get into a fight unless you absolutely have to. It's what my master taught me and it's what my daughter's master has taught her. The MC even says as much in the game. Many DIK choices are grade A jerk choices.

 

[Master5043]

What did I miss? Mass attack by CHICK knights? It's funny how some CHICKs act like crying babies when they should be "grown up and mature".

 

[ChipLecsap]

If that's the conclusion you've reached by me saying 'Jerk points', I urge you to try harder.
As for posts, I tend to respond in kind to how people treat/talk to me, as I'm sure you're referring to my exchange with a specific person.


I'm not even sure why you keep talking about goalposts, as if I've ever set a target or asked you to prove something.


You're free to see whatever you want as Canon. The points system itself hasn't affected the main storyline, where MC's behavior is inconsistent. In fact for the most part it indicates only how he expresses himself and how he's perceived by others. Or did your enormous mega DIK MC accept Sage's advances in his room ?

This whole response is gold . first you talk about jerk point, this is where you started, and think that a Dik MC is jerk, by default. But those "Jerk point" does not determine his affinity. Status and Affinity is not the same. and You know this probably, you just purposely use this as flip-flop tool to back up your argument, what is fundamentally false. Becasue chick or Dik point does not determ wheter MC is a Dik or Chick. They are cosmetics.

However, they do, give him, benefits like , fingering Maya, or Banging Mona and Camy together. or Spanking Sally. But high chick status, or Dik Status won't make you Dik or Chick person

so the whole debate is totally pointless, except , that it is in fact, in the game, that a Dik affinity player, has the option to BE confident in a situation, where a Chick MC ask for privacy.

that's all, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Master5043]

Why did I even bother ....

According to me acting like a dipshit doesn't equal confidence, and acting like a decent person doesn't equal weakness.But what did I even expect ? Probably half the human population makes the same bullshit association like you. Certainly a bunch of you here.

Ha ha, dude. A very recognizable mood! I see him on Twitter every day. Are you by chance not one of those people who are looking for a reason to be offended and find fault with something? It's a surprise to me that you still haven't called the DIK path the choice of the disgusting Alt Right and Trump supporters.

By the way, the level of arrogance and belief in one's own rightness and exclusivity is beyond.

 

[dalli_x]

Well, twice now, I was right, and still not see that comment . First , it's the Canon storyline tha MC fight with Caleb, in episode 5. and Second. Dik MC is more Confident than Chick .
and these are all in the game, not in my mind .
so I'm waiting.

It cannot be canonical for the MC to fight Caleb in EP5 if he does not want to. Also, DPC made it so that if the MC doesn't fight the Jocks in EP2 Major Choice, he can't fight Caleb at all. Where the hell is that canonical please? Go ahead and explain it to me. Turn on your logic for once.

Strange. The DIK MC runs away just as much when Josy shows up at the end of EP3 as the CHICK MC. Where is your DIK MC's confidence? Where. the DIK Derek would have tried to do a three-way. Ergo, in your opinion, it's a confident move. Mmmmhhh. It's just weird that the MC (whether he's DIK or CHICK) does it same at the end of EP4. So both the DIK, NEUTRAL and the CHICK MC are self aware. And here comes your favorite word "canon" again. The DIK is definitely rejected.

Think about why I can't NOT agree with you. For all I care, you can keep trying to demand it of me because you are so confident and need confirmation from.