VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

MC can warn Maya about Quinn, he also can chose not to....

The situation Maya is in with Mona and Quinn at the pool should be well enough Maya can figure out the danger Quinn presents.
Mona first confirms the free tuition, later in the story she denies it...
And Quinn's innuendo is clear enough, a girl needs to spread her legs and shut her mouth to get that free ticket.... MC's warning, if it even happens, is nothing compared to what Maya herself witnesses from Quinn....

I said it too that he can, but if he can it means that he knows anyway, there is no MC, in any multiverse, who doesn't know that Quinn is dangerous and running girls to make money
and that's regardless of Maya, Maya has nothing to do with it.

Knowing that, and listening to Camila, MC has all he needs to figure out what might have happened to Mona, then he may not give a damn about Mona and focus on the girls he can still screw, but to say he has no clue is false

 

[dalli_x]

After Mona left college, the MC didnt even think about any reason...

yet he knows that Mona was chasing "the free tuition" just like maya did, which is offered by Quinn, he knwos that too, maya told him. The MC knows exactly what this means, of course its the restaurant...

At episode 5 MC knows no matter what your choices are, that camilla and Rio are in the restaurant thing. Heck they even told him that.

So Mona storms out a room, complete meltdown, saying "i cant do this" followed by camilla than Burke... knowing that camillia is in the prostituion and Mona wants the free tuition which means that she needs to go into prostituion as well. Yet he cant connect the dots here??? really? this is rather surprising here, but ok... i could deal with it... UNTIL Mona left the college. After all this what the MC knows and witnessed, there is really no explanation why the MC didnt even asked himself why Mona left, he simply doesnt bother with the fact that mona left at all after everything. Which is totally strange. He shrugs it off, nothing more.

I stick with it, this is a mistake by DPC... the MC should at least make a selfnote like: "hm, has this something to do with the restaurant and the free tuition or Burke? Ah i better keep my mouth shut" or something like that. But nothing... really nothing, that is totally strange... well it is what it is... but facing the end of episode 8, the whole thing gets even more important now. Cause now he is standing in the living room from the burkes, Sage (president of the HOTs) is the daughter of Burkes... if he doesnt connect any dots or asking himself some questions here, he is more stupid than Dawe.

First of all, the MC won't be able to know so that Riona works at the restaurant if the MC declines Quinn's offer. Then, he also can't know so that Sarah and Melanie are on the menu.

The MC can warn Maya about the restaurant because he got it from Quinn offers. He suspects so Camila is at the restaurant, but can't possibly know if he turned down the restaurant offer. So without evidence to make such accusations to the authorities or school administrators, only brings trouble with it. And the MC knows this very well, because he was made a victim to a perpetrator at the age of 15.

The MC asks himself before Mona leaves what is going on with her and if it has something to do with Burke. This was in class when Camila was trying to cheer Mona up.

There are things you don't write down. Why? Someone else might find that note and read it. Think about Derek's to-do list. How much do you think will have helped Derek get Ashley to go to Derek in EP7? I don't and there is a reason for that. In EP1 Maya says to Derek so she won't introduce him to a hot girl. Derek says himself so he will write Ashley off as a loss. But the most important thing is what the MC thinks and says. Follow your heart. So why should he follow Derek's heart.

This should be used as an example so you don't just write down information and also only reveal it at the appropriate moment. For example, in a 4 eye conversation with Stephen Burke when the Maya doesn't want to help in the right way or Jade Burke when Stephen is standing next to her.

Didn't you notice the order in which Jade throws the pictures in EP3.
1. tybalt (Jill Royce blackmail)
2nd Marriage picture (cheating and maybe divorce).
3. Sage (The MC fucked with Sage and Jade)

No more money for Tybalt, Stephen and Sage.

We have already seen so the MC connects dots. Fuck several times and the three different scene in front of the mirror.

 

[dalli_x]

It's not an immediate insight, but it's not that prohibitive

MC warns (or at any rate can always warn) Maya of the danger posed by Quinn, to assume that Mona was in the same danger seems to me a fairly likely inference.

When he meets Camila at the ANO party she tells him first that:

cam "Mona wanted to leave, but we're not allowed to before it's over."
mc "Where's she now?"
cam "She's off doing a thing..

then they see Mona escape from a room where Burke is. it is not 1+1 but it is 15896/37, with pen and paper you get there



I reviewed the dialogue, actually she doesn't talk about adults, only that for a handsome and equipped guy like MC she makes an exception, I was misremembering

cam "She's off doing a thing.."

This could be anything or nothing. To be honest, I think it was so that Stephen Burke would follow up on the rumors that were in the papers later in EP8 and that's why he brought Mona in. She agreed to go along with it up to a certain limit, but the line was crossed. Stephen Burke might have asked her to cross that line, she didn't want to and runs out of the room saying so she doesn't do that.

Derek said right away in EP1 to the MC if he is not surprised that there is so much security on campus. Only the dean, Stephen Burke can make that happen. So why would he provide more security personnel if he is associated with prostitution. That would be counterproductive.

 

[vogelbeest]

I said it too that he can, but if he can it means that he knows anyway, there is no MC, in any multiverse, who doesn't know that Quinn is dangerous and running girls to make money
and that's regardless of Maya, Maya has nothing to do with it.

Knowing that, and listening to Camila, MC has all he needs to figure out what might have happened to Mona, then he may not give a damn about Mona and focus on the girls he can still screw, but to say he has no clue is false

I never said he has no clue at all or he sees it all clearly. There's plenty of hints in the game, but alot only visable for the player or on certain paths the MC may or may not take.
Treating the fact he saw Mona and Burke leaving a room is only helpful as part of a total of several things happening and only for reconstructing a theory as to why Mona left. But no proof comes from it, only speculations.
Without Mona telling her story to the papers or as witness/victim it's hardly useful against Burke...

The MC can have some ideas about Quinn, but his suspicions towards Quinn aren't very concrete. Quinn is a bitch, gets him tasered, offers prostitution and drugs but Quinn never promises him free tuition nor does she tell him anything that might make him come to any conclusion. MC can get some info from others like Camilla but he knows nobody will go against Quinn...
The main problem is the more corrupted the MC is, the more info is available to him, and the less he can use it...

The whole crux is the connection of Burke and Quinn based on free tuition for sex, there's just hear-say and speculations now.
The ones that know don't speak openly.... Sure, MC can warn Maya but he's going with her to the meeting with Burke...
He can't proof anything, doesn't really know enough, has a bad feeling about it, but also has his trust in Sage...

 

[The_Hat]

I'm on my first playthrough of this and thoroughly enjoying the story but I've just got to the scene where Bella shows MC Cathy's panties. I've read why that happens in this thread but I have not triggered that. There was no BJ in the car taking Cathy home, I've nothing in her bio about it and no unlocked scene for it. I did swipe up on Cathy on the app once but nothing else. I saw a few reports of this and guess its a bug but any Ideas if I can fix this please?

I don't have any mods installed but if I can edit a file to change the outcome great. I don't really want you start again or go back to an earlier save as I've no idea where it's gone wrong and I was enjoying the Bella route.

Any help will be much appreciated.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I never said he has no clue at all or he sees it all clearly. There's plenty of hints in the game, but alot only visable for the player or on certain paths the MC may or may not take.
Treating the fact he saw Mona and Burke leaving a room is only helpful as part of a total of several things happening and only for reconstructing a theory as to why Mona left. But no proof comes from it, only speculations.
Without Mona telling her story to the papers or as witness/victim it's hardly useful against Burke...

The MC can have some ideas about Quinn, but his suspicions towards Quinn aren't very concrete. Quinn is a bitch, gets him tasered, offers prostitution and drugs but Quinn never promises him free tuition nor does she tell him anything that might make him come to any conclusion. MC can get some info from others like Camilla but he knows nobody will go against Quinn...
The main problem is the more corrupted the MC is, the more info is available to him, and the less he can use it...

The whole crux is the connection of Burke and Quinn based on free tuition for sex, there's just hear-say and speculations now.
The ones that know don't speak openly.... Sure, MC can warn Maya but he's going with her to the meeting with Burke...
He can't proof anything, doesn't really know enough, has a bad feeling about it, but also has his trust in Sage...

but there is no need to know Burke's role (which we don't know either), just consider him a client

1) Quinn has a group of prostitutes and this MC knows, he may not know exactly who they are and what services they offer, but he does know
2) Camila is one of them, he doesn't necessarily know this explicitly, but it is very likely that at the very least she will propose to him (just ask her in the previous episode to help him with Hells Week with outdoor sex)
3) he knows that Mona would like to leave but Quinn makes her stay at the ANO party.
4) Mona escapes from a room from which Burke then also emerges with a very embarrassed face
5) Mona disappears from the BR a few days later.

Getting to the idea that Burke was a client is a legitimate suspicion.

if it were Maya instead of Mona, would he have the slightest doubt that it was Quinn's fault for pushing her to do something she didn't want to do?

 

[vogelbeest]

but there is no need to know Burke's role (which we don't know either), just consider him a client

1) Quinn has a group of prostitutes and this MC knows, he may not know exactly who they are and what services they offer, but he does know
2) Camila is one of them, he doesn't necessarily know this explicitly, but it is very likely that at the very least she will propose to him (just ask her in the previous episode to help him with Hells Week with outdoor sex)
3) he knows that Mona would like to leave but Quinn makes her stay at the ANO party.
4) Mona escapes from a room from which Burke then also emerges with a very embarrassed face
5) Mona disappears from the BR a few days later.

Getting to the idea that Burke was a client is a legitimate suspicion.

Not really, the only fact is MC seen Burke and Mona leaving a room, he knows Quinn offers the restaurant but depending on his choice that can be just that fact without any further knowledge at all.

You make the connection Quinn offers sexual services so Burke is a client because he's seen with Mona...
There's no proof at all, just assumptions, Mona could have told but she didn't that's the whole problem, she's gone...

 

[felicemastronzo]

Not really, the only fact is MC seen Burke and Mona leaving a room, he knows Quinn offers the restaurant but depending on his choice that can be just that fact without any further knowledge at all.

You make the connection Quinn offers sexual services so Burke is a client because he's seen with Mona...
There's no proof at all, just assumptions, Mona could have told but she didn't that's the whole problem, she's gone...

what wouldn't be true?
except point 2, they are all universal facts

I talked about suspicion

 

[NebulousShooter]

Didn't the MC overhear Quinn and Camila talking in the very 1st episode? Or do you have to click on her door, because I have the feeling that he knows Camila is part of the restaurant no matter how you play him?

On the grand scheme of things, of course we have no direct proof, where would be the conflict in the game if that was the case, but at what point enough circumstantial evidence is enough? Because the MC knows more than enough to put two and two, its not like he is on Dawe and Arieth level of retardation, no matter how daft he appears. And with the Maya 'warning' its 100% clear he knows whats going on, he just inexplicably hides details of what he knows...The only thing holding him from 'connecting the dots' is DPC's cheap drama fetish, same with Sage parentage.

I hope no more eyerolling, horribly set up cliffhangers in this episode, its getting tiresome.

 

[vogelbeest]

what wouldn't be true?
except point 2, they are all universal facts

I talked about suspicion

Suspicion is just suspicion, even the MC knows you're innocent until proven guilty without any doubt...
MC has some minor leads, has some info from people who are involved so will likely never confirm their story...
But without Mona telling her story he just doesn't have enough to go beyond assumptions...
There's smoke so there's probably a fire, but for now the smoke only prevents a clear view where...

 

[felicemastronzo]

Suspicion is just suspicion, even the MC knows you're innocent until proven guilty without any doubt...
MC has some minor leads, has some info from people who are involved so will likely never confirm their story...
But without Mona telling her story he just doesn't have enough to go beyond assumptions...
There's smoke so there's probably a fire, but for now the smoke only prevents a clear view where...

then I didn't explain myself. my point was never that: it was to say whether MC had the elements available to him to understand what is going on around him, but if nothing arouses even the slightest suspicion in him it is a hopeless undertaking, but he would have all the elements

only if he were inside the room with Burke and Mona could he have absolute certainty ... Even if Mona tells him, she could still be lying
there is some difference between understanding what is going on and witnessing it, even Arieth inside the room would understand it

 

[GreenArow]

what does the update parch do for s1 and s2?

 

[jak1165]

DPC finna Mass Effect 3 himself. Too many variables to wonder about

 

[Lord Bradley]

By the way, it would be great if a black girl joined HOTs next semester, don't you think? There are black people in the game already, but no cutie in HOTs? That's a damn shame

 

[walker188]

DPC finna Mass Effect 3 himself. Too many variables to wonder about

No. Mass Effect 3 didn't even try to use variables. DPC has already done more to make our choices count Bioware ever did.

I will be on my deathbed decades from now (more like a few years from now ), still fucking salty about that ending.

 

[Assman_6969]

Anyone else fantasizing about a spin-off to this game? Perhaps a prequel where you play as a younger Isabella?

HELL NO!
The entire reason this game is one of the best is for the Original game and I'm almost positive that if asked 9 of 10 people either playing or has played and got to end of Ep.8 DO NOT LIKE Zoey and the poor timing of the Interlude. Up to this point there was NO need for her to be involved further than where we learned she was a past hook up for mc and I really was wondering why do that after forcing the "PICK A GIRL" Choice as well. If she was brought into the game now and was gonna shake it all up like some seem to think I think now was not the right time. There are far too many Girls now to pick which ones to have fun with and 100% Certainly are far better than Zoey IMO. I know she has a tiny and I mean a very tiny few that do like and want her invovled but REALLY, WHY, No I am for real, WHY? No Thanks, I am good with my few playthroughs with my Main one where I am ALL IN w SAGE and never would trade her for Zoey hahaha Hell NAW! My 2nd P/T is one I hope continues to grow into more of whats been great so far and thats with Nicole/Envy. She is more and more making a case to swoop her up and making her yours and fuck it if she is a stripper, she is not trashy, and very mature since she's ONE OF the good single mom's who are a real mom and not a hoe who pawns her kid off and is out being a slut every other time she can. She mentions her kid all the time and is by far one othe top 3 best lookin li's for sure.
What I am getting at is simple, You don't fix what isn't broken and the Game Being A Dik is and has been one, if not the best game to have been made so far but this past decision for the Interlude was not a good choice and probably won't matter much with how it was not a big hit or any hit with it's fans of the game!
It is far past time for Ep.9 and to this year long wait of a halloween bash and hopefully the best update up to date so far! Zoey can fuck back off and go find herself alone and we can get back to ASS N TITTIES and a whole lot of PARTY TIME

 

[dalli_x]

I never said he has no clue at all or he sees it all clearly. There's plenty of hints in the game, but alot only visable for the player or on certain paths the MC may or may not take.
Treating the fact he saw Mona and Burke leaving a room is only helpful as part of a total of several things happening and only for reconstructing a theory as to why Mona left. But no proof comes from it, only speculations.
Without Mona telling her story to the papers or as witness/victim it's hardly useful against Burke...

The MC can have some ideas about Quinn, but his suspicions towards Quinn aren't very concrete. Quinn is a bitch, gets him tasered, offers prostitution and drugs but Quinn never promises him free tuition nor does she tell him anything that might make him come to any conclusion. MC can get some info from others like Camilla but he knows nobody will go against Quinn...
The main problem is the more corrupted the MC is, the more info is available to him, and the less he can use it...

The whole crux is the connection of Burke and Quinn based on free tuition for sex, there's just hear-say and speculations now.
The ones that know don't speak openly.... Sure, MC can warn Maya but he's going with her to the meeting with Burke...
He can't proof anything, doesn't really know enough, has a bad feeling about it, but also has his trust in Sage...

Sometimes you don't have to prove anything, but just scatter doubts to make the corresponding people curious.

Jade already insinuates in EP3 Stephen so that he fucks with female students. If Jade would learn that the MC saw Stephen with Mona, that will make Jade curious.

 

[Naczin]

Hey fellas, I was a little off for a while... So, how is the game going ? Is the new season out ? BTW I am new here, so please bear with me if I make some mistakes, don't really know how this works

 

[jak1165]

No. Mass Effect 3 didn't even try to use variables. DPC has already done more to make our choices count Bioware ever did.

I will be on my deathbed decades from now (more like a few years from now ), still fucking salty about that ending.

That was more or less my point. All the potential storybeats from the Restaurant alone would be overwhelming, especially since you can refuse to interact with it all it

Mass Effect 3 had notions of non-linearity but it became pretty clear that the writers were forcing the player to feel certain things around the time of the end of the 2nd act

 

[dalli_x]

but there is no need to know Burke's role (which we don't know either), just consider him a client

1) Quinn has a group of prostitutes and this MC knows, he may not know exactly who they are and what services they offer, but he does know
2) Camila is one of them, he doesn't necessarily know this explicitly, but it is very likely that at the very least she will propose to him (just ask her in the previous episode to help him with Hells Week with outdoor sex)
3) he knows that Mona would like to leave but Quinn makes her stay at the ANO party.
4) Mona escapes from a room from which Burke then also emerges with a very embarrassed face
5) Mona disappears from the BR a few days later.

Getting to the idea that Burke was a client is a legitimate suspicion.

if it were Maya instead of Mona, would he have the slightest doubt that it was Quinn's fault for pushing her to do something she didn't want to do?

But what if I don't think of Stephen Burke as a customer, but as what he is? The Dean of B&R. In EP6, we learn that Mona asked someone for sex in exchange for money.

The whole thing is very contradictory because if she asked Stephen for sex, why does he have her on his radar if he doesn't allow prostitution on his campus.

I'm assuming that Mona independently asked someone for sex for money at the party without Quinn's consent. With whom? Geoff. A Royce or a Burgermeister. He wants to talk to four other people that night. Among them is Stephen Burke. He then talks to Stephen about it and Stephen goes into it. Stephen talks to Mona and asks her about sex. Mona leaves the room because she doesn't want to fuck a guy like Stephen. Still, Stephen has his confirmation that Mona wanted to sell sex to Geoff.

Before Mona leaves, she talks to Stephen again and reveals so Quinn has the restaurant.