VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 5767739]

That's why I said he wouldn't believe heroin is not addictive.
He likes drugs and probably knows what everybody and their mother know

Then it might be as suggested by others, it is not heroin but some other opiate analogue to heroin, even in the real world oxycontin was sold as a "non addictive" alternative to other opiates, and yet it was highly addictive, the company which marketed it as non-addictive were fully aware of that reality and sold it to the public, and lobbied (bribed) politicians to make it easier for them to sell it to the public, Tommy wanted to try something, and Quinn provided it, if her telling him that it's not really addictive is enough to push him over the edge, then it is something that he already wants to believe

There is another significant nuance here. You need to imagine what the heroin trade looks like. The dealer meets with drug addicts all day. In some pre-arranged place. As a rule, crowds of drug addicts gather there. Quinn can't do that in college. Moreover, drug addicts often visit a heroin dealer without an invitation. Need compels them. Vinny can afford to do something like that. But Quinn is constantly in front of people. She can't afford it. That's why I don't believe Quinn is dealing heroin. She wouldn't be able to hide it.

And that is exactly why Quinn has the line to Tommy when he says that he's "out", it was something like "so this is the paradigm shift in our relation, you're going to turn up like an addict looking for your next fix from now on?", Quinn is selling an opiate to Tommy, regardless of how unlikely you believe it to be, and as I've stated previously, she's not a well established dealer, she only recently started selling harder stuff, and she has only been selling at B&R for less than a year since she started attending B&R roughly one year previous to the events of BADIK.

When you're starting out as a drug dealer, or you're starting out slinging some new stuff, you're going to have a more limited clientele, and she is actively looking to grow the number of people she's selling to, Tommy even convinces her that he can bring more people in to use the new opiates, he says that they'll use the DIK mansion as their trap house, and that he's willing to be the scape-goat for her if shit hits the fan, those are literally conversations in the game.

 

[Deleted member 5767739]

you are right, I remembered that you don't directly see Quinn using it

but the assumption that it's something heavy is not that it makes more sense this way, it remains very stretched.

the presence of the heroine in BADIk would be a huge "injection" of realism in a context that has always been relatively uninterested in realism, it would undo all that patina of "we will live forever"

No, it's fairly clear that it's a heavy drug, there is at no point anything to insinuate that it isn't a heavy drug, and DPC said himself in a Q&A that there are going to be dark themes in BADIK, not as dark as AL, but still.

So you're a dick and an ass man? Choose a side man you can't have both at the same time!

I am the DIK Assman, I love dicking those asses, man.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Then it might be as suggested by others, it is not heroin but some other opiate analogue to heroin, even in the real world oxycontin was sold as a "non addictive" alternative to other opiates, and yet it was highly addictive, the company which marketed it as non-addictive were fully aware of that reality and sold it to the public, and lobbied (bribed) politicians to make it easier for them to sell it to the public, Tommy wanted to try something, and Quinn provided it, if her telling him that it's not really addictive is enough to push him over the edge, then it is something that he already wants to believe


And that is exactly why Quinn has the line to Tommy when he says that he's "out", it was something like "so this is the paradigm shift in our relation, you're going to turn up like an addict looking for your next fix from now on?", Quinn is selling an opiate to Tommy, regardless of how unlikely you believe it to be, and as I've stated previously, she's not a well established dealer, she only recently started selling harder stuff, and she has only been selling at B&R for less than a year since she started attending B&R roughly one year previous to the events of BADIK.

When you're starting out as a drug dealer, or you're starting out slinging some new stuff, you're going to have a more limited clientele, and she is actively looking to grow the number of people she's selling to, Tommy even convinces her that he can bring more people in to use the new opiates, he says that they'll use the DIK mansion as their trap house, and that he's willing to be the scape-goat for her if shit hits the fan, those are literally conversations in the game.

Well, if she and Tommy really decided to do this, then they're both complete cretins. They will be in jail. Unfortunately.

 

[ffive]

then they're both complete cretins.

As if there was ever a doubt about that

 

[Jumbi]

No one ever said anything to that effect, I merely stated that I don't think she's a habitual user of heavy drugs.

But one of the problems associated with the use of such drugs, especially heroin, is precisely that it only takes one try to get hooked on it.

 

[Deleted member 5767739]

But one of the problems associated with the use of such drugs, especially heroin, is precisely that it only takes one try to get hooked on it.

It's not some magic spell, it causes strong urges sure, but some people are better at resisting such urges than others, and Quinn seeing how her mom ended up is probably strong motivation to not succumb to the calling of the H.

Well, if she and Tommy really decided to do this, then they're both complete cretins. They will be in jail. Unfortunately.

No one ever said that they're geniuses.

 

[QBaSS]

Then it might be as suggested by others, it is not heroin but some other opiate analogue to heroin, even in the real world oxycontin was sold as a "non addictive" alternative to other opiates, and yet it was highly addictive, the company which marketed it as non-addictive were fully aware of that reality and sold it to the public, and lobbied (bribed) politicians to make it easier for them to sell it to the public, Tommy wanted to try something, and Quinn provided it, if her telling him that it's not really addictive is enough to push him over the edge, then it is something that he already wants to believe

Or maybe is some kind of martian drug smuggled from space
We can go on forever
Curious fact heroin started the same way.
I don't think it's heroin ,most likely it's something Dpc made up
Just my two cents

 

[Lovetities]

Or could be something like meth? They are addictive but not as dangerous as heroin. You need to do meth 3/4 times to get hooked while heroin takes 1 time and the craving for it is way worse than anything

 

[KАRАMBA]

It's not some magic spell, it causes strong urges sure, but some people are better at resisting such urges than others, and Quinn seeing how her mom ended up is probably strong motivation to not succumb to the calling of the H.



No one ever said that they're geniuses.

I said about Quinn that she's a genius (wonderful Quinn). Okay. Anyway, I hope she stops in time and does not go on about the idiot Tommy.

 

[OFT]

So we're back on the topic of heavy drugs?




Well, it doesn't matter whether or not you think she's dealing it, whether or not it contradicts her acquiring cocaine, or whether or not Tommy's syringe came from her or Vinny. The fact is she not only shot up, she was enthusiastic when trying to get Tommy to try it.

 

[Jumbi]

It's not some magic spell, it causes strong urges sure, but some people are better at resisting such urges than others, and Quinn seeing how her mom ended up is probably strong motivation to not succumb to the calling of the H.

I think you really are undervaluing the power of that drug, dude.

 

[Deleted member 5767739]

Or maybe is some kind of martian drug smuggled from space
We can go on forever
Curious fact heroin started the same way.
I don't think it's heroin ,most likely it's something Dpc made up
Just my two cents

Agree to disagree on that, but we're going to find out eventually, maybe a year from now, maybe more, we'll see how generous DPC is with episodes.

Or could be something like meth? They are addictive but not as dangerous as heroin. You need to do meth 3/4 times to get hooked while heroin takes 1 time and the craving for it is way worse than anything

No, meth doesn't make you slonk out on a couch, if someone intravenously injects meth they'd be climbing up the fucking walls and running a marathon at the same time.

 

[QBaSS]

I think you really are undervaluing the power of that drug, dude.

He's right it's just myth

 

[mutad]

Do You really had to do this? Disfigure Quinn so badly? I laughed at Jesus-Jill but this is just too much. What's next? Are you going to change Bella into Bill?

I sure hope we see one where sage becomes sergio.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

So we're back on the topic of heavy drugs?

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Well, it doesn't matter whether or not you think she's dealing it, whether or not it contradicts her acquiring cocaine, or whether or not Tommy's syringe came from her or Vinny. The fact is she not only shot up, she was enthusiastic when trying to get Tommy to try it.


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Sharing needles, yay!

 

[ChipLecsap]

you are right, I remembered that you don't directly see Quinn using it

but the assumption that it's something heavy is not that it makes more sense this way, it remains very stretched.

the presence of the heroine in BADIk would be a huge "injection" of realism in a context that has always been relatively uninterested in realism, it would undo all that patina of "we will live forever"

The whole thing is just simply one of DPC usual flip flop.
Quinn was supposed to be the Antagonist of the story and by doing that Hard drug scene in the beginning of episode 2, it was mean to show just how BAD she is, how dangerous etc. The clear indication of, Here is the Bad girl/ guy of the story

But, as DPC started to like Quinn more, he realize He can't make her that Bad, so he made a smal retcon to that storyline, and we learned that Quinn not doing this stuff, she just sell light drugs.

And when Vinny come back to the picture, He revisit this, by showing a needle to us again,
to ensure , " See? See? , how Bad Vinny is, he is really bad like so Bad, , He is the one who selling this shit to Tommy , and he has a Gun, and so see? , he is the BAD guy. I bet you did not see that one coming, huh? I think I will ask 40 bucks for this "

There isn't really anything more to this.
I mean some of you guys give more thought into this than DPC himself.

It funny in a way, but the truth is that unlike a "certian theory maker" who believed that DPC has some grand master plan, the truth is he really doesn't have any. And as the game progress it's more and more visible, that he just goes with the flow, and made shits up as he develop, that is why he is unnable to contain himself when it's comes to episodes.

 

[ffive]

Sharing needles, yay!

That's not the only needle Tommy is sharing with Quinn anyway...

 

[JavCh]

I think you really are undervaluing the power of that drug, dude.

It's not exactly understimating it, I mean one has still to be afraid of heroin and not even try it, but drugs don't work so easy as "you inject once and you're an addict". Let's say, you could be suffering great pain, they could give you morphine for some days and that wouldn't make you a junkie afterwards and you wouldn't crave it inmediately that way, and heroin and morphine work very similarly. There was a time most kids consumed heroine when it was thought to be just a good antitussive, it was not that the source of a full generation of heroin consumers.

Some of you are here are talking like it's "heroin is 1 time, meth is 3-4 times, etc", drugs don't work exactly that way.

Heroin is hard but if you use it once you won't be craving already like some zombie, of course you will surely enjoy it and use it again, but you're sort of making it look like if now I force someone to get heroin and after that he will be a junkie for life. You wouldn't suffer the lack of the drug (avoiding the cold turkey it's probably the main reason to keep using it, and you don't get it that quick), because organisms really don't work that way. Drug dealers would be making people force-consuming it if that was the case.

Heroin is fucking shit and I actually have no problem with people trying to make it look like something "you shouldn't even try once because you will be lost" (I think is a good lie and by no meaning I'm here trying to make people think it would be good to try it just once), but if we want to be honest and based on data, drugs just don't work that way.

Btw, alcohol is by far a drug that causes more harm to society, it's one of the hardest drugs to give up, and society has a whole should by far try to fear it more than it does. I say that just in case someone is thinking "this guy is just into drugs and doesn't see the risks", I'm sure now some would say I'm a prude for saying that about alcohol, so that probably compensates thinking I was a drug promoter about heroine. Well, the thing, bring to therapy a guy who has been doing heroine for a month (not daily, occasional use) and someone that has been an alcoholic for a year, day after day, and let the therapist tell you which one was easier to treat.

 

[AchedCroissant]

DPC posting the Preview 3

The thread

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

The whole thing is just simply one of DPC usual flip flop.
Quinn was supposed to be the Antagonist of the story and by doing that Hard drug scene in the beginning of episode 2, it was mean to show just how BAD she is, how dangerous etc. The clear indication of, Here is the Bad girl/ guy of the story

But, as DPC started to like Quinn more, he realize He can't make her that Bad, so he made a smal retcon to that storyline, and we learned that Quinn not doing this stuff, she just sell light drugs.

And when Vinny come back to the picture, He revisit this, by showing a needle to us again,
to ensure , " See? See? , how Bad Vinny is, he is really bad like so Bad, , He is the one who selling this shit to Tommy , and he has a Gun, and so see? , he is the BAD guy. I bet you did not see that one coming, huh? I think I will ask 40 bucks for this "

There isn't really anything more to this.
I mean some of you guys give more thought into this than DPC himself.

It funny in a way, but the truth is that unlike a "certian theory maker" who believed that DPC has some grand master plan, the truth is he really doesn't have any. And as the game progress it's more and more visible, that he just goes with the flow, and made shits up as he develop, that is why he is unnable to contain himself when it's comes to episodes.

DPC may change some storylines as the story progresses, but not all of them. For example, you're probably right, and Quinn's storyline has been changed. But DPC is the type of writer who plans the structure of works in advance.

"I think there are two types of writers, the architects and the gardeners. The architects plan everything ahead of time, like an architect building a house. They know how many rooms are going to be in the house, what kind of roof they're going to have, where the wires are going to run, what kind of plumbing there's going to be. They have the whole thing designed and blueprinted out before they even nail the first board up. The gardeners dig a hole, drop in a seed and water it. They kind of know what seed it is, they know if planted a fantasy seed or mystery seed or whatever. But as the plant comes up and they water it, they don't know how many branches it's going to have, they find out as it grows. And I'm much more a gardener than an architect.” George R.R. Martin
Gardeners - go with the flow. Architects - work according to plan. In the BaDIK story, you can see a pre-planned structure, I'm talking about the main plot points. Examples: The Halloween party is mentioned beforehand in Episode 7. He also mentioned that he wanted to do this episode for a very long time. Zoey return was conceived back in the first season, when MC told Bella his backstory. When Jade harassed MC during classes, he already knew that she was Sage's mother and came up with a meeting with Burke - he planned drama for this route.
Hints of Maya's financial problems come from the very beginning of the game, it can be said that MC got stunned by a shocker to DIKs due to the fact that Patrick was blackmailing her. I think he already knows what's behind Bella's door for a long time. The basic structure of the plot is created from the very beginning.
But due to the gigantic bloated script, the huge number of storylines, illogical and strange plot decisions are often seen. For example, it seems ridiculous to me that Sage doesn't like Jill because she considered her as Tybalt's girlfriend, although she should know that she's not. DPC is just one person and the human mind is not able to withstand such a load. I'm sure if he was a writer-gardener and went with the flow, the project would have been abandoned by now, as he would have reached a creative dead end. Like the same George Martin with the Winds of Winter.