VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Geralt From Rivia]

I understood what you saying, and I'm not here to change your beliefs or anything, so don't worry
However, the same way, as it doesn't make sense to say, "she is better friend than Derek", it's also doesn't make sense to say "you are mad at her"

for the same reason. for us player she is insignificant. While the Interlude did a semi-decent job to show us what type of character she is, despite then in episode 9 she is totally different, and to be fair , more likable.
But the same time, it fails to show us why we should give a fuck about her in the first place.
DPC realized this, that is why he created his favorite scene , the Bench scene - which in my opinion the worst part of the episode .. . .
once again he gave as a crying little bitch MC, who whine about how much he was hurt back then . But the impact failed. Maybe it would have better if he actually spend the a chunk of the Interlude to show us more of the inside of MC mindset , instead of Metrosexual boy fucking his tattooed girlfriend..
but even then we spend 4 year and 8 episode to build our character, while we saw many of his issues, which we, as the player could connect to it.
for example when Jill goes to the School board counselors, despite MC ask her not to do it, it make sense for us player to pick the option to be mad at her.
or let say, we tell the Chad secret to Josy, and if she later may be gossiping this, we could feel angry at her for we trusted in her and she betrayed our trust.
Some people may bring up an argument that He as a player don't give a shit about the Maya/Josy drama, but the difference is, we see the impact they have on MC , we experiencing it as the players..

but with Zoey, we just told: this is what He was feeling all along, while we actually, played the game, and see that he has a pretty good life ever since Zoey is out of the picture. Not to mention all this happened right after We finally made our choice regarding the girls we were hanging out all this time.

In short the most accurate reaction to Zoey is this , and the whole conversation should have been just this. :
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. This is exactly what most of us truly felt.

You described the problem of the observer. Some players may not understand why Zoey is needed, because he didn't go through the same experience as MC for several years of his life - almost all we see is these two months in college, past experience fits in several flashbacks.
For many players this is not enough, but it worked for me because I had similar life experience and was able to get into it emotionally.
The only problem with the bench scene is static, there is no difference between DIK/Chick MC, scene should be in two versions, for example, I don't agree that DIK MC will shed tears, but okay. Let it be the author's idea that the past knocked on MCs door and hit him like a train.
Otherwise, I really liked this scene and it was really hard to restrain emotions.
Ofc, it will be difficult for you to understand Zoey, you are completely in love with Josy and no one will replace her for you. Like many others, but it seems to make sense - getting your ex back is a known plot trick to test your current relationship. There is nothing new in this. But damn, DPC is good at it, he did a good job writing Zoey character and making her such a tasty morsel that after Ep.9 Zoey has a lot of fans. It worked for me so she moved up to second place.

I don’t know, maybe it was my personal experience that hit me and made me quickly draw the necessary things in my imagination and helped me to feel this story. In any case, DPC has found a niche with this character and I think it's interesting and good in the script.
Unlike the useless ones like Nora, Becky, Madame or you know who.

UPD: Plus, I'm multi-branched player, things is easier for me.

 

[sampow]

Not exactly. You also miss a little bit of broccoli on the couch with her by not rising to her challenge. Also, are we sure there will not be any kind of consequences further down on her path if we fail that challenge? After all, her trust issues are remarkable.

Spoiler: That is some seriously anaemic broccoli!

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Ok, it was pretty good... for Quinn.

Regarding future repercussions, no flags were set regardless of the outcome, other than the 3 sex scene flags used to dictate the mc's response when Quinn asks. Not sure if DPC deliberately doesn't create a "ep9_couldntKeepItInHisPants" flag to put us off guard...

 

[iggy.]

I fucked Camila on the dance floor, and got a blowjob from Lily, in order not to fail Quinn do you have to avoid these two, or just sex with Camila?
Rejecting Lily and Nicole isn't easy.

No, you can bang anyone u want, brag to her face that you couldnt keep it in your pants, and she will still spend the night with you

At that point in game, she is obsessed with Tremolo and his dick

 

[Jumbi]

maybe, but your previous point was more accurate. Punching oscar, is really not worth it, But Vinny yeah, you need punch him in the face.
I'm mean think about it. an uninvited random stranger show up in your house and start trashing it, and breaking your stuff. You won't be calmly " excuse me sir what are you doing " right? .
you either immediately call the police, or confront him. of course this is work of fiction, but still, if you let one person step over you everyone will do it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm gonna keep punching him in that scene every time that possibility is available.

Also, I forgot for a second there that when we choose how the MC reacts to Vinny's shove, the MC still doesn't know that Vinny has a gun. Therefore, the most logical response to his physical aggresion is another aggresion (in this case, the punch).

Regarding future repercussions, no flags were set regardless of the outcome, other than the 3 sex scene flags used to dictate the mc's response when Quinn asks. Not sure if DPC deliberately doesn't create a "ep9_couldntKeepItInHisPants" flag to put us off guard...

I see your point. I really hope that the challenge outcome still plays some part in our relation with her in the future. It would make it all the more interesting. And from a narrative POV also makes sense IMHO.

 

[Kpyna]

Random thought of the sleepless night: Why didn't Josy join the gender studies class when she knew that Fuckface and Maya were taking it, especially if she knew Derek (the other person she knew from outside college) was already in it too? It makes more sense to join an optional course when arriving late to college than a mandatory course for her curriculum (economics with Jill) when she could have taken that any time in the three years she's at the college (just like Jill has left it until her second year).

You raised an interesting question, I always paid attention to what Josy said about it, then I always wondered why she never appeared on Gender 101 classes, and then I just always forgot about it. Here is her dialogue with Jill, where she clearly says what classes she signed up for.

ji "Are you ok? You look a bit tense."
js "It's just first day nerves."
js "Plus, I feel a bit lost since I missed orientation."
ji "I remember the first day jitters."
ji "If you'd like, I can show you around afterwards?"
js "(Hm... Maya promised me that she would...but I could be making a new friend this way.)"
js "Sure! I would love that!"
ji "What other classes are you signed up for?"
js "English and Math, you know, Gen. Ed. classes."
ji "That's smart doing those early or you'll end up like me, postponing the less interesting ones."

It means she hadn't planned it and Maya was not able to talk her into it as well.

You already answered your own question. Josy knew the MC was part of the Gender Studies class even before she went to B&R. Why would Josy want to be in the same class as the MC and her 'boyfriend'? Some people still don't realize how low Josy's attitude was in not telling the MC that her 'boyfriend' was in B&R. Josy knew from the beginning that the MC was in the same class as her 'boyfriend' and hid it until the end. Yes, I never forgave Josy for that.

Wrong. Josy knew ONLY that MC is a part of Gender 101 classes. At that moment she haven't any clue that MC lives in Maya dorm, and even know her / or met her in B&R. Otherwise things would turn out differently. MC tells Josy that he lives in one dorm with girl, he doesn't tell her name of that girl. Josy, being sure that she is over with Maya, said him that she will tell him all the truth when she came into B&R. Maya did the same - she was sure that her relationship with Josy is over and was ready to fill MC in. After reveal, they clearly tried to talk to him and smooth things out, so it also not a reason for Josy to avoid joining the Gender 101. Since J&M constantly fought in last weeks and even stopped to talk last days, bc Josy was grounded and her dad took her phone, I'm not sure Maya was able to told Josy what classes she take.

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

Well, because she is not Feminist, and she is a late arrival she might missed the deadline to pick that class.

Why would Josy assume that Maya who didn't show interest in guys, out of nowhere gonna be BFF or even more, with the MC?! the whole situation is simply very surreal indeed.
Not to mention, that MC very carefully never mention the name of Maya, or even Derek, to Josy, and he doesnt ever mention the name of Josy, to Maya or Derek either.
because of all this, how and why would any of them Josy or MC would assume that they became part of each other friendship circle without knowing it?!

You didn't understand me. Josy didn't know that MC was Maya's friend, but that wasn't what it was about. If Josy was really going to break up with Maya to be with the MC, why would she want to be in the same class as the MC and Maya? And before you mention that they are already in the same class of English and Mathematics, know that they are mandatory (which makes Josy even more stupid, because she didn't think about this possibility).

In the next episodes it will become even clearer what I'm saying, when Josy has to be the MC's classmate after she finds out he has a new girlfriend. It's the situation she wanted to avoid going through with Maya and the MC when she arrived at B&R, the difference is that now the MC is the one who is committed.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Random thought of the sleepless night: Why didn't Josy join the gender studies class when she knew that Fuckface and Maya were taking it, especially if she knew Derek (the other person she knew from outside college) was already in it too? //...

It might be my hangover still numbing synapses, but I'm curious as to how would Josy know Maya is in any of the optional classes if her and Maya hadn't spoken for several weeks before college even began?

Didn't Josy specifically say this?

*note to self*
Stop finding reasons to start new games from the beginning just because of my imagination....
/me bangs head on desk

If no one shows me proof I'm wrong, I'll be busy re-rolling another temp MC.
*sigh*
I always do this to myself...

 

[felicemastronzo]

It might be my hangover still numbing synapses, but I'm curious as to how would Josy know Maya is in any of the optional classes if her and Maya hadn't spoken for several weeks before college even began?

Didn't Josy specifically say this?

*note to self*
Stop finding reasons to start new games from the beginning just because of my imagination....
/me bangs head on desk

If no one shows me proof I'm wrong, I'll be busy re-rolling another temp MC.
*sigh*
I always do this to myself...

That Maya would take that course was highly predictable, and we could tell this from Josy's first words about this mysterious friend, whom we did not know at the time was Maya, who would have had something to say about mc talking about men and women's things.

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

You can easily choose "I'm mad with you" and tell Derek he's your best friend.

I can't be the only one who was surprised that the DPC put in the option to get mad at Zoey and choose Derek as a best friend. I thought DPC was going to shove Zoey down our throats from day 1. Best not to celebrate yet, it's still possible that Zoey will be shoved down our throats after she tells the MC what really happened in San Diego.

 

[dalli_x]

I can't be the only one who was surprised that the DPC put in the option to get mad at Zoey and choose Derek as a best friend. I thought DPC was going to shove Zoey down our throats from day 1. Best not to celebrate yet, it's still possible that Zoey will be shoved down our throats after she tells the MC what really happened in San Diego.

It is not good to be mad at Zoey, because that means that the MC has not yet processed the breakup with Zoey and still has feelings Zoey, even if they are negative.

 

[Lethal Flourish]

You're welcome
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This is .....curious

 

[ChipLecsap]

You didn't understand me. Josy didn't know that MC was Maya's friend, but that wasn't what it was about. If Josy was really going to break up with Maya to be with the MC, why would she want to be in the same class as the MC and Maya? And before you mention that they are already in the same class of English and Mathematics, know that they are mandatory (which makes Josy even more stupid, because she didn't think about this possibility).

In the next episodes it will become even clearer what I'm saying, when Josy has to be the MC's classmate after she finds out he has a new girlfriend. It's the situation she wanted to avoid going through with Maya and the MC when she arrived at B&R, the difference is that now the MC is the one who is committed.

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

It is not good to be mad at Zoey, because that means that the MC has not yet processed the breakup with Zoey and still has feelings Zoey, even if they are negative.

I don't hate Zoey's character, the problem is that she is introduced as the MC's ex-girlfriend. In this case, I don't want my ex-girlfriend as a friend, it's ridiculous and pathetic at the same time. I know they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend, but for the MC they were - we have to go with that idea. Just look at Jamie and Dani, it looks like Jamie is emotionally attached to Dani and it makes him look weak and sissy... that's an image I don't want for my MC. If the player chooses to make the MC the biggest loser of all (losing every fight, failing every test, failing to help Jill, failing to repair the mansion, failing to fuck any girls) then it makes sense for him to be emotionally attached to Zoey.

However, the vast majority of the time, the player - MC - arrived at this point (Ep.9) as the next big thing, the head of the table, the hottest thing in B&R (thanks Jill recital), the baddest kid on the block or as our homie Stevie says: the hotshot! That's what makes Zoey's return interesting, while she failed at everything she tried, the MC succeeded at everything he tried. It's like Zoey's world has turned upside down now and she's the one who's the loser.

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Wait a minute. Are you a Josy fan? But Josy doesn't like DIK MC... How dare you talk shit about my CHICK MC - Damon Edition?!!!!

 

[dalli_x]

I don't hate Zoey's character, the problem is that she is introduced as the MC's ex-girlfriend. In this case, I don't want my ex-girlfriend as a friend, it's ridiculous and pathetic at the same time. I know they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend, but for the MC they were - we have to go with that idea. Just look at Jamie and Dani, it looks like Jamie is emotionally attached to Dani and it makes him look weak and sissy... that's an image I don't want for my MC. If the player chooses to make the MC the biggest loser of all (losing every fight, failing every test, failing to help Jill, failing to repair the mansion, failing to fuck any girls) then it makes sense for him to be emotionally attached to Zoey.

However, the vast majority of the time, the player - MC - arrived at this point (Ep.9) as the next big thing, the head of the table, the hottest thing in B&R (thanks Jill recital), the baddest kid on the block or as our homie Stevie says: the hotshot! That's what makes Zoey's return interesting, while she failed at everything she tried, the MC succeeded at everything he tried. It's like Zoey's world has turned upside down now and she's the one who's the loser.



Wait a minute. Are you a Josy fan? But Josy doesn't like DIK MC... How dare you talk shit about my CHICK MC - Damon Edition?!!!!

I was referring to the decision. If the MC player decides on the option so the MC is mad at Zoey, then the MC still has feelings Zoey and that could make the LI rebound girls. But if the MC is no longer mad at Zoey, then he has processed the breakup and is thus free to have a new relationship. It is basically the same as with Sage.

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

I was referring to the decision. If the MC player decides on the option so the MC is mad at Zoey, then the MC still has feelings Zoey and that could make the LI rebound girls. But if the MC is no longer mad at Zoey, then he has processed the breakup and is thus free to have a new relationship. It is basically the same as with Sage.

Shit, I hope you're wrong. I chose:

• Getting mad at Zoey.
• Derek is better friends than Zoey.
• I told JohnBoy that Zoey was my ex-girlfriend.

What were your choices? I don't want to have a romance with Zoey! HELP!!!

 

[ChipLecsap]

Wait a minute. Are you a Josy fan? But Josy doesn't like DIK MC...

my signature was not a giveaway ? also, WTF you talking about? I'm massive dik since episode 5, and Josy and I are just fine .
She is also only show her tits to a Dik status Mc, which is much more easy to achieve as Simple Dik affinity MC

anyway, choose your word more carefully regarding Josy, people died for way less....

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Just look at Jamie and Dani, it looks like Jamie is emotionally attached to Dani and it makes him look weak and sissy...

That's because Jamie and Dani are 2 fucking morons that are perfect for eachother.
It's not quite right to compare those 2 to Zoey and the MC (even on a chick path).

Zoey is actually cool and knows how to party.

And Zoey coming back, is DPC's way of presenting a "cliché" of the long lost love that has been found again.

Although on my Bella run, Zoey is way passed last position. She's way out of view in the rear view mirror. On any other path I'll actually consider dumping whoever for Zoey.

Comparing Zoey and the MC with Jamie and Dani, is like comparing Canadian strong beer with Budweiser horse piss.

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

my signature was not a giveaway ?

I usually access the forum on my cell phone, so I'm almost always online. Now that I'm on the PC I've seen your signature.

also, WTF you talking about? I'm massive dik since episode 5, and Josy and I are just fine .

Some idiot told me that if you go DIK Josy puts you in the friendzone. Whatahell!?

anyway, choose your word more carefully regarding Josy, people died for way less....

Sorry, senpai!

Comparing Zoey and the MC with Jamie and Dani, is like comparing Canadian strong beer with Budweiser horse piss.

Same shit! Two parrots that left the zoo with these colorful hairs.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I can't be the only one who was surprised that the DPC put in the option to get mad at Zoey and choose Derek as a best friend. I thought DPC was going to shove Zoey down our throats from day 1. Best not to celebrate yet, it's still possible that Zoey will be shoved down our throats after she tells the MC what really happened in San Diego.

We'll see what happens. DPC is in no hurry to please us with Zoey preview, probably he wants to avoid spoilers and keeps the development of this script in a complete secret.
Your last words sound like the beginning of some kind of thriller, which by the way is the native genre for DPC.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Some idiot told me that if you go DIK Josy puts you in the friendzone. Whatahell!?

Yeah this a tricky thing. If you have Dik affinity in episode 4 when you talk to them, they Reject the MC, but if you have Neutral affinity in that moment, everything fne, and from that point you can go full Dik.