Takkatakka

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In absolute numbers, even compared to some very reliable and diligent developers, he still is very productive. The problem is not his statics/week statistic, the problem is the amount of stuff he tries to (and kinda has to) cramp in every update by now.

And increasing the fps to 60 just feels like a troll move after Ep. 9 when we had quite a number of animations that (while being impressive on a technical level) did VERY little for the story or atmosphere over all.
 

felicemastronzo

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I get it. He has made some bad choices and the dev time does reflect that.I see milking as intentionally dragging things out and doing the bare minimum - Like Hillside or even the new Milfy City update. Trickling content out whilst doing the bare minimum. With DPC I see a guy who wants to put out more content, in what ever form, than what was in the previous episode. Typically it is the render count. So I say on his self imposed quest to be seen as a God he has, inadvertently, shot himself in the foot. Buying more PCs so he can do more and more whilst not actually improving the efficiency of his work as he just piles more on. Akin to a dog trying to catch their tail.So, in my mind he is not dragging things out to get the most money. He is dragging it out to develop more content (where as a milker wouldn't) and he certainly in't doing the bare minimum. So that is why I say h e isn't a milker. Just some one who doesn't know when to say "enough is enough".
none of us know DPC's intentions, while it is a fact that all of his latest decisions have gone in the direction of lengthening preparation time, so he is making more money not with quality (which should lead to a visible increase in patreons that are stable) but with the amount of months of subscription collected.

is he doing this because he is an uncontrollable creative genius? may be

the result is that he is asking those who support him to give him more money (the same money, for a longer time), he is asking the same cows for more milk. then you know that cows almost always say yes.

the alibi of poor choices does not hold up
how would these bad choices harm him? absolutely nothing. a little too lucky it seems to me....
 
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SirDawcio

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Just because he is actually doing more work doesn't mean he isn't milking it. If he cut some unnessary filler, reduced the amount and length of animations he could be back to 6 months per update. If the game ends at episode 20 he could be done in 5 years and then lose his BADIK money but if he adds in some filler and makes animations longer and slightly better he can add 5 years on to the game and have an extra 5 years of all that BADIK money before he has to create a new game that may halve his monthly income.

I'm not trying to bash the guy because I and 99% of the world would do the same thing if we were in his position. If you are making an entertainment product that needs to have an end at some point and it is currently making 10k a month why end it in 5 years and create something new that could make 2k a month when you can drag each episode out to double the time. I'm sure everyone would rather have 10k a month for 10 years rather than 10k for 5 years and then possibly 2k a month for 5 years or even have to go back to a full time job.
You guys are always talking about DPC needing to milk BaDIK like it's some random dude from the street who, with a huge amount of luck, ended up getting thousands and thousands of dollars monthly for his work on Patreon. It's not a coincidence.

If that was his first game, sure. But Acting Lessons, albeit a lot smaller in size, is regarded as a visual novel with one of the best stories that took people by the gut. BaDIK seems to be a huge leap forward and while I don't think he's gonna progressively make more and more money, I don't think it's gonna change after BaDIK ends.

Sure, many people will unsubscribe, but a lot of them will hang around to see what other great things AL and BaDIK creator has in store. A lot of the time, when you hear it's from the creators of Elden Ring or Skyrim you get excited, no matter what the genre or type of the game.
 

TimHawk

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none of us know DPC's intentions, while it is a fact that all of his latest decisions have gone in the direction of lengthening preparation time, so he is making more money not with quality (which should lead to a visible increase in patreons that are stable) but with the amount of months of subscription collected.

is he doing this because he is an uncontrollable creative genius? may be

the result is that he is asking those who support him to give him more money (the same money, for a longer time), he is asking the same cows for more milk. then you know that cows almost always say yes.

the alibi of poor choices does not hold up
how would these bad choices harm him? absolutely nothing. a little too lucky it seems to me....
C'mon bro, I can take the milking talk from others but not from you, you should know better.

When he banked half a $mill for Season 1 on steam and then between $3 and $15mill for Season 2, it removed money entirely from his decision making process.

He knows Season 3 will set him up for life, Season 4 will do the same for his kids and the inevitable full game remaster will make him rich beyond his wildest dreams. And that's JUST steam, it doesn't even include all the other plattforms.

There is only one single metric that decides when a new Episode will release, and that's whenever DPC is happy with it, nothing else matters to him anymore.

He will never stop pushing the envelope each and every episode, because this is it, his magnum opus. He would have to be a special kind of stupid, and while he is many things, stupid isn't one of them, to not ride the BaD train to Neverland and start a new game after BaD.

So you were right a few months back when we discussed a Sep. 15th release date, we really are too old for this shit :D
 

PereFourreAss

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DPC never does half assed updates, there's not one episode that has really disapointed me in terms of content (yes, even episode 9) That's why it's frustrating because if this guy had more focus on the important stuff he would have crazy efficiency
 

felicemastronzo

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C'mon bro, I can take the milking talk from others but not from you, you should know better.

When he banked half a $mill for Season 1 on steam and then between $3 and $15mill for Season 2, it removed money entirely from his decision making process.

He knows Season 3 will set him up for life, Season 4 will do the same for his kids and the inevitable full game remaster will make him rich beyond his wildest dreams. And that's JUST steam, it doesn't even include all the other plattforms.

There is only one single metric that decides when a new Episode will release, and that's whenever DPC is happy with it, nothing else matters to him anymore.

He will never stop pushing the envelope each and every episode, because this is it, his magnum opus. He would have to be a special kind of stupid, and while he is many things, stupid isn't one of them, to not ride the BaD train to Neverland and start a new game after BaD.

So you were right a few months back when we discussed a Sep. 15th release date, we really are too old for this shit :D
the fact that he doesn't need it is not much of a defense, the rich steal, and they usually steal more :rolleyes:

first he increases the number of animations (with some in my opinion objectively ugly, like the water park), now decides to double the work for them. (The animation of the beginning of the ninth chapter would have cost more than a month and a half now...)

And it is a choice by which he makes sure to earn that much for much longer, he may be unaware of it but that is what it is.

the idea of the perfectionist is a fairy tale: he can't be a perfectionist someone who hasn't yet managed to make Jill smile, give Maya decent skin, remove Josy's steel bite, fixed Bella's proportions, or have a Sage who doesn't look like she just ran 10 km. if he wants a better product, work on that.

this is understandable behavior, but not so noble....

to me DPC constantly gives the impression of someone who is terribly bored doing what he is supposed to do, an AVN, then takes as much time as he can in doing something else: the minigames, the phone, learning how to do something else etc..
 

DarkKiller

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And this is one of the many reasons he gets away with it, you people are more worried about discussing the semantics of the world "milker" rather than pointing out that DPC is fucking over his supporters with exponentially higher costs in exchange for terrible diminishing returns regardless of whether he is working hard or not :LUL:
 

TimHawk

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the fact that he doesn't need it is not much of a defense, the rich steal, and they usually steal more :rolleyes:

first he increases the number of animations (with some in my opinion objectively ugly, like the water park), now decides to double the work for them. (The animation of the beginning of the ninth chapter would have cost more than a month and a half now...)

And it is a choice by which he makes sure to earn that much for much longer, he may be unaware of it but that is what it is.

the idea of the perfectionist is a fairy tale: he can't be a perfectionist someone who hasn't yet managed to make Jill smile, give Maya decent skin, remove Josy's steel bite, fixed Bella's proportions, or have a Sage who doesn't look like she just ran 10 km. if he wants a better product, work on that.

this is understandable behavior, but not so noble....

to me DPC constantly gives the impression of someone who is terribly bored doing what he is supposed to do, an AVN, then takes as much time as he can in doing something else: the minigames, the phone, learning how to do something else etc..
The "rich steal" arguement while valid in a vacuum doesnt't apply here, since DPC is literally holding on to a lottery ticket with every delay. He's not cashing in $XXmillionen for what 50-60k patreon money ? Yea, I'm gonna say no to that one... :D

Just imagine Steam pulling Adult games again... he would lose tens of millions over peanuts, and he's still not that stupid.

I agree on the perfectionist part, it's very obvious that he is aware that BaD is the one thing in his lifetime where he reached the absolute top and he wants to make it better and better and more and more groundbreaking than anything that's out there. He wants to be "that guy" again and again, to be the first, to set the bar and leave something behind that nobody will ever forget.

It's funny, you know how many people pop up here and say "Oh but this and that game is so much better than BaD" and so on...Artemis, one of the games often mentioned...dude made 70k on steam, and that's before the cut steam takes. It's ridiculous just how far ahead DPC is and im so very sure, that that's the stuff that gets him hard and he craves more of it.

I don't think he's bored in particular, I think he wants to be showered with "Oh wow, we never thought we would see that in an adult game" or "Wow, that's a first", and nothing else matters to him. Dude is living on planet DPC and he makes his own rules.

He is also aware, and I think that's what most people here don't realise, that while every other developer is at least to a degree depended on F95 and Patreon, he won the freedom, thanks to steam, to no longer give a fuck about either one.

I think people have to come to term, that developing time will never decrease, because he always tries to beat himself and come up with something new, and these things just take more time by default.

Ironically, he would make more money, by just settling on one standard, releasing episode after episode, then the full game remaster and ride of into the sunset, but dude got addicted to the praise and there is no way back now.

Just imagine if there would be someone out there to actually challenge him, boy oh boy 24-36 months per episode would be considered "fast" :D
 
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