VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

Just because he is actually doing more work doesn't mean he isn't milking it. If he cut some unnessary filler, reduced the amount and length of animations he could be back to 6 months per update. If the game ends at episode 20 he could be done in 5 years and then lose his BADIK money but if he adds in some filler and makes animations longer and slightly better he can add 5 years on to the game and have an extra 5 years of all that BADIK money before he has to create a new game that may halve his monthly income.

I'm not trying to bash the guy because I and 99% of the world would do the same thing if we were in his position. If you are making an entertainment product that needs to have an end at some point and it is currently making 10k a month why end it in 5 years and create something new that could make 2k a month when you can drag each episode out to double the time. I'm sure everyone would rather have 10k a month for 10 years rather than 10k for 5 years and then possibly 2k a month for 5 years or even have to go back to a full time job.

He's kinda an egotistical nob but he's not a scammer or a milker his Patreon seem fine with the time taken and they're the ones that matter not us pirates and fuck even most pirates on here seem to love him. He also adds more workload not less, scammers don't tend to do that. The problem is more how Patreon development works (especially successful ones) combined with peoples belief that giving creators a completely free reign and no limits automatically = better game. Devs have little risk of running out of $$$ so release isn't an urgency as their life and dev are funded and secure so compared to most indie devs there's no real pressure to get it done. Which is why so many porn games take 5+ years to make and get bigger and bigger in scope (there are games from when I joined F95 that still are not done). A dev has little reason to focus or reign themselves in so they can adopt I do what i want with my baby and it's done when it's done attitudes. Thing is that doesn't necessarily mean a better game is made, anyone that's seen a kickstarter clusterfuck happen can vouch that focus and limits are not remotely bad things even for talented creators. Time will tell if DPC or BAD goes completely off the rails, hopefully not.

Stuff like DnG in AVNs is an example of this. Does a college game really need a fucking fantasy or space segment? Does it make the game better compared to if work had gone into the actual meat of a VN it's plot and chars? I'd say no but the devs dick got hard at the idea of creating fantasy or space shenanigans so here you are. Any desire, impulse or idea a dev has is getting done. It's how you end up with stuff like DnG or a dev working on two games and wanting to do 32 parts.

Could DPC finish this game faster? 100%. Will he? FUCK NO he literally has free reign to make what he wants how he wants. The time will take longer and longer between updates and this doesn't look like it'll be finished until 2027 at the earliest. Patreon dev has upsides and downsides, the fact is the free reign given to devs by it will often equal long dev times. That kind of is what it is because the only people that could make a dev do it quicker are his patrons but DPC's Patreon usually looks like a 24/7 DPC suck off session so....
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[ProxyGist]

You guys are just misinterpreting the meaning of the word milker.
Who's a milker? It's a dude who intentionally extracts money from his fans while providing content of much lower quality. Is DPC a milker? No. All of his episodes are of high quality and are the benchmark for the AVN genre. His games have inspired a huge number of artists and developers, and he is the one they are trying to emulate.
If he's not a milker, who is? How does one feel about his recent actions and words?
This is a guy who is really bored of making regular AVN. With each new episode he wants to bring something new and different, how much it is justified is a separate question. I don't think he does it intentionally. His approach is that he tries something new, says to himself "wow, that looks cool" and adds it to the game. He doesn't worry about deadlines because he's confident in his financial well-being. Clearly, this approach without any control will bite him in the ass sooner or later. Probably as soon as his financial well-being deteriorates, he will reconsider his approach to development, optimizing the process. 13,000 patrons is more than enough to produce an episode once a year.
He's obviously not a milker, he's just a guy who writes a book without an editor or producer. With mistakes, obvious bad pacing and how successful this book will be time will tell.

 

[ProxyGist]

When did DPC hinted episode will end at MC's house?

He mentioned creating a new environment. And it was probably Nil's house. Or some other place with cheap sheets( maybe a tent?).
Either way, the scene at Nil's house won't be exclusive to Sage's path.

 

[Melissa fan]

That not milking tho, you agree that he is working right? He is making unnecessary shits like sfw animations, 60fps animations, etc. Just because things ain't going our ways or we ain't getting the update faster. Doesn't mean he is milking, if he wasn't working and wasn't producing quality contents. I would say that he was milking.

definition of milking
to get as much money or information out of someone or something as possible, often in an unfair or dishonest way:

He is trying to get as much money out of this game as possible by adding in stuff that delays each episode. The animations were good as they were but by making them 60fps it will take longer to do animations and will delay each episode and the end of the game and therefore getting extra money for the extra months or year it will take to finish.

Ps- His cult will support his next game, no matter how bad it is.

Maybe or maybe not. Saints Row had a lot of fans but the 2022 reboot failed. GTA Online is one of the biggest games in the world and a lot of players will defend all of Rockstar Games terrible and greedy practices but Red Dead Online made by the same company failed.

With DPC I see a guy who wants to put out more content, in what ever form, than what was in the previous episode.

That is why I have never said that he is milking the game before when I have seen other saying. When an episode take an extra few months because it has more content then I think he just has a lot of ideas for the episode and wants it to be bigger but when he increases animations to 60fps that adds no extra content but more of a delay to the episode then I think he is doing it just to prolong the game. It's already been 9 months and it sound like another month or two before the epsiode is out. If he didn't make any animations 60fps the episode could even be ready now.

He is dragging it out to develop more content

60fps animations does not add a single bit of new content.

When he banked half a $mill for Season 1 on steam and then between $3 and $15mill for Season 2, it removed money entirely from his decision making process.

The most watched streamer on Twitch was XQC. He probably made more money in a year than DPC will in his entire life. XQC will have enough money to last his life, his kids lives and his grandkids lives but he still left the biggest streaming platform as their number 1 streamer to go to Kick a newer streaming service that a lot of people hate and he did that for money. The guy has more money than he will ever need yet still moved for more money.

If DPC made $100 million from the game it does not mean money is removed from his decision making process. Why hasn't he reduced the prices on his patreon? Why does it cost $40 Australian to get access to the game the day it releases? Why hasn't he reduced the cost so it is $10 to get access to the game the day it releases?

It doesn't matter how much money someone has. When money is flowing in by the thousands each month 99.9% of people will want to keep that going as long as possible. Even if he has $100 million what make you think he doesn't want to bump that up to $200 million one day. The more money he has means the more opportunities his kids will have to do or own whatever they want.

He's kinda an egotistical nob but he's not a scammer or a milker his Patreon seem fine with the time taken and they're the ones that matter not us pirates and fuck even most pirates on here seem to love him. He also adds more workload not less, scammers don't tend to do that.

I agree that he is not a scammer. He delivers the product people pay for.

 

[89898hh]

Oh great 60fp animations... Guess that means even longer dev time

 

[Lovetities]

I think that DND game scenes were fun. Sure, they add nothing of values. I play games for fun rather than only for plot and drama. It was hot to see Jill as an elf and hopefully we get to fuck her in that form someday. Also, I would love if Mc goes from bard to some higher like demonking/God of war lmfao. It was really fun to kill the burke/Caleb in the last DND. Tho, it true that his takes alot of time from the game but, I don't mind if Dpc add them Also, it foreshadowed that Sage and Mc will die because of Quinn

 

[Melissa fan]

You guys are just misinterpreting the meaning of the word milker.
Who's a milker? It's a dude who intentionally extracts money from his fans while providing content of much lower quality.

You could be misinterpreting the meaning of the word. If you look up the definition of milking it is to get as much money or information out of someone or something as possible, often in an unfair or dishonest way.

He could make the best AVN in history but if he prolongs episodes by adding in filler or 60fps animations so that episodes take longer to make and makes the ending take a year longer to release then he is milking his game and supporters for a year of extra money.

 

[Lovetities]

You could be misinterpreting the meaning of the word. If you look up the definition of milking it is to get as much money or information out of someone or something as possible, often in an unfair or dishonest way.

He could make the best AVN in history but if he prolongs episodes by adding in filler or 60fps animations so that episodes take longer to make and makes the ending take a year longer to release then he is milking his game and supporters for a year of extra money.

Say whatever you wanna say but I don't think he is delaying the updates for the money when there are literal Dev who get away with posting 500/1000 renders after 5/6 months. Those games doesn't have any free roam/pack quest/good quality animations/decent music/crazy level branching/etc. Sometimes they are even done by a company/group yet they produce less contents than a man who is doing everything by himself. I have been playing this games since episode 1 and there were alot of different games at that time which is now abandoned or still stuck at v...xxx and some are making excuses or something like they are sick/handicapped. Many games here doesn't even have animations lol. I personally think it a dick move to call someone a milker since he want/trying his game to be in top quality in every aspects.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

He's kinda an egotistical nob but he's not a scammer or a milker his Patreon seem fine with the time taken and they're the ones that matter not us pirates and fuck even most pirates on here seem to love him. He also adds more workload not less, scammers don't tend to do that. The problem is more how Patreon development works (especially successful ones) combined with peoples belief that giving creators a completely free reign and no limits automatically = better game.

You might see that as the problem with Patreon development, but I think what many complainers (on this site, especially) don't understand is that Patreon is not like Steam on an installment plan or something. Supporters on Patreon aren't investing in stocks or even buying a product. They are supporting a developer. Full stop.

Historically, many famous artists we know of today (from Michaelangelo and da Vinci to Picasso to Jackson Pollock) had patrons. The same with famous composers, like Mozart and Beethoven. Sometimes their patrons commissioned a piece and other times their patrons paid them a stipend (so the artist could eat rather than starve). Patrons helped artists realize their visions, however the artists wanted to do it.

Of course, DPC's "Being a DIK" isn't going to stand the test of time (probably) as Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling or Mozart's The Abduction from the Seraglio, but the principle is the same. Sometimes those great artists from the past lost patrons because they were pains in the ass or their drinking or other personal problems prevented them from completing any work. Today, some game devs lose supporters for similar reasons.

What galls me is all the whiners here aren't even complaining about delayed releases on Steam or some other platform so they can buy the updates, like honest customers. Instead, they mock Patreon supporters and DPC but then happily jerk off to the new episode as soon as they can pirate it here. Their response to my post here will be they have a right to their opinions and they have the right to express that opinion. Of course they do. But why should anyone give a shit about what they have to say? Without Patreon supporters, there wouldn't be a game at all. So put up or shut up, I say.

 

[Orgitas]

You might see that as the problem with Patreon development, but I think what many complainers (on this site, especially) don't understand is that Patreon is not like Steam on an installment plan or something. Supporters on Patreon aren't investing in stocks or even buying a product. They are supporting a developer. Full stop.

Historically, many famous artists we know of today (from Michaelangelo and da Vinci to Picasso to Jackson Pollock) had patrons. The same with famous composers, like Mozart and Beethoven. Sometimes their patrons commissioned a piece and other times their patrons paid them a stipend (they the artist could eat rather than starve). Patrons helped artists realize their visions, however the artists wanted to do it.

Of course, DPC's "Being a DIK" isn't going to stand the test of time (probably) as Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling or Mozart's The Abduction from the Seraglio, but the principle is the same. Sometimes those great artists from the past lost patrons because they were pains in the ass or their drinking or other personal problems prevented them from completing any work. Today, some game devs lose supporters for similar reasons.

What galls me is all the whiners here aren't even complaining about delayed releases on Steam or some other platform so they can buy the updates, like honest customers. Instead, they mock Patreon supporters and DPC but then happily jerk off to the new episode as soon as they can pirate it here. Their response to my post here will be they have a right to their opinions and they have the right to express that opinion. Of course they do. But why should anyone give a shit about what they have to say? Without Patreon supporters, there wouldn't be a game at all. So put up or shut up, I say.

Could you imagine it though? The year is 4,563 A.D... You walk into the Louvre and join a tour. The guide brings you forward and says "This work of art dates back over 2,000 years. Titled Being a Dik..."

 

[felicemastronzo]

The "rich steal" arguement while valid in a vacuum doesnt't apply here, since DPC is literally holding on to a lottery ticket with every delay. He's not cashing in $XXmillionen for what 50-60k patreon money ? Yea, I'm gonna say no to that one...

Just imagine Steam pulling Adult games again... he would lose tens of millions over peanuts, and he's still not that stupid.

I agree on the perfectionist part, it's very obvious that he is aware that BaD is the one thing in his lifetime where he reached the absolute top and he wants to make it better and better and more and more groundbreaking than anything that's out there. He wants to be "that guy" again and again, to be the first, to set the bar and leave something behind that nobody will ever forget.

It's funny, you know how many people pop up here and say "Oh but this and that game is so much better than BaD" and so on...Artemis, one of the games often mentioned...dude made 70k on steam, and that's before the cut steam takes. It's ridiculous just how far ahead DPC is and im so very sure, that that's the stuff that gets him hard and he craves more of it.

I don't think he's bored in particular, I think he wants to be showered with "Oh wow, we never thought we would see that in an adult game" or "Wow, that's a first", and nothing else matters to him. Dude is living on planet DPC and he makes his own rules.

He is also aware, and I think that's what most people here don't realise, that while every other developer is at least to a degree depended on F95 and Patreon, he won the freedom, thanks to steam, to no longer give a fuck about either one.

I think people have to come to term, that developing time will never decrease, because he always tries to beat himself and come up with something new, and these things just take more time by default.

Ironically, he would make more money, by just settling on one standard, releasing episode after episode, then the full game remaster and ride of into the sunset, but dude got addicted to the praise and there is no way back now.

Just imagine if there would be someone out there to actually challenge him, boy oh boy 24-36 months per episode would be considered "fast"

in my opinion you greatly underestimate the role of patreon in the DPC empire, from your discourse it would almost seem to be a nuisance for a few pennies

clearly that is not the case, and that is regardless of the ratios of the different revenues.

the third season can bring him all the money in the world, but he has to finish it, his supporters assure him 50-60k a month, and history shows us how they continue to support developers often for no apparent reason.

I don't know if Steam alone would hold up its myth, do you think in 3 years they would be there to welcome the new release the way the second season was welcomed? 3 years is a long time...

 

[TimHawk]

The most watched streamer on Twitch was XQC. He probably made more money in a year than DPC will in his entire life. XQC will have enough money to last his life, his kids lives and his grandkids lives but he still left the biggest streaming platform as their number 1 streamer to go to Kick a newer streaming service that a lot of people hate and he did that for money. The guy has more money than he will ever need yet still moved for more money.

If DPC made $100 million from the game it does not mean money is removed from his decision making process. Why hasn't he reduced the prices on his patreon? Why does it cost $40 Australian to get access to the game the day it releases? Why hasn't he reduced the cost so it is $10 to get access to the game the day it releases?

It doesn't matter how much money someone has. When money is flowing in by the thousands each month 99.9% of people will want to keep that going as long as possible. Even if he has $100 million what make you think he doesn't want to bump that up to $200 million one day. The more money he has means the more opportunities his kids will have to do or own whatever they want.



I agree that he is not a scammer. He delivers the product people pay for.

"As of 2023, xQc is estimated to be worth around $10 million." So besides the fact that xQc has zero to do with DPC, im just gonna let that stand and move on from comparison.

As for the rest, I don't know what exactly you don't understand about steam being his main income, Season 2 made him an income worth between 10 times to 50 times of what he makes on patreon in a YEAR and that by delaying the steam release, he is losing out on a multitude of what he makes from patreon in investments or simple interests. It just doesn't make any sense.

And I never said that money doesn't matter to him, I said that it provided him the freedom to do things however the fuck he wants and that he doesn't care if he bans patreons left and right or if it takes a fuckload of time to release an episode. Money doesn't factor into the equation for him anymore, he wants to be remembered, to release stuff that will set the new standard and constantly challenge what's possible.

If he wanted to maximise his income, he would release a new episode every 6 months, get the Seasons out on steam and then start game 2 and then game 3 and not fiddle with 60fps animation that nobody fucking asked for.

To roughly quote Moneyball: "The greatest thing money provides you with is the abilitly to no longer give a fuck what anyone else thinks is right."

 

[TimHawk]

in my opinion you greatly underestimate the role of patreon in the DPC empire, from your discourse it would almost seem to be a nuisance for a few pennies

clearly that is not the case, and that is regardless of the ratios of the different revenues.

the third season can bring him all the money in the world, but he has to finish it, his supporters assure him 50-60k a month, and history shows us how they continue to support developers often for no apparent reason.

I don't know if Steam alone would hold up its myth, do you think in 3 years they would be there to welcome the new release the way the second season was welcomed? 3 years is a long time...

How many other developers do you know then who ban patreons left and right for saying "they don't like something" ? Would he rather have 1000 than 100, yea sure, but he has his priorities set and money ain't on top anymore. Nothing shall taint his masterpiece and nobody shall say otherwise.

He is undoubtedly the most insecure developer I've ever seen, if he would have a fan meeting he probably wouldn't get 3 words out, but steam bought him the freedom to do what nobody else can.

I think Steam has become the myth, that's his legacy. I can't even imagine how hard he must've faped when his game was the most played game on steam for 2 weeks and 4 days and I think that is all that's on his mind, he wants more, he wants bigger and he wants a crown on his head.

And again I wish we had more accurate data on all the other plattforms, we sadly don't know but Season 2...well you decide it either changed him forever or it brought out the DPC that he always was but held back to not alienate his "customers". When that dependecy fell away, they all started to live in a 2 choice world, treat DPC like an infallible god or fuck off.

And just to make it clear, I think he is fucked in the head something fierce, and that something or someone should pull him down to earth, I just down know what or who that could be.

 

[Melissa fan]

Say whatever you wanna say but I don't think he is delaying the updates for the money

60fps adds a lot of time on already very long development time and adds no new content. I think 60fps is a excuse to add on an extra month to each episode to get e few months of patreon money before the game ends. We will just have to agree to disagree on that.

when there are literal Dev who get away with posting 500/1000 renders after 5/6 months. Those games doesn't have any free roam/pack quest/good quality animations/decent music/crazy level branching/etc. Sometimes they are even done by a company/group yet they produce less contents than a man who is doing everything by himself. I have been playing this games since episode 1 and there were alot of different games at that time which is now abandoned or still stuck at v...xxx and some are making excuses or something like they are sick/handicapped. Many games here doesn't even have animations lol.

None of them make the money DPC does. I don't know what that has to do with DPC delaying updates for money.

I personally think it a dick move to call someone a milker since he want/trying his game to be in top quality in every aspects.

Sure but we don't really know the reason for 60fps. It could be to make the game better or it could be for more money. If it was to make the game the best it could be then why 60fps and not fixing the complaints about shiney characters.

 

[hakuna-matata]

Don't worry, we still have yet to hear any news he contracted pussyitis due to someone ruining/harming his business.

 

[felicemastronzo]

How many other developers do you know then who ban patreons left and right for saying "they don't like something" ? Would he rather have 1000 than 100, yea sure, but he has his priorities set and money ain't on top anymore. Nothing shall taint his masterpiece and nobody shall say otherwise.

He is undoubtedly the most insecure developer I've ever seen, if he would have a fan meeting he probably wouldn't get 3 words out, but steam bought him the freedom to do what nobody else can.

I think Steam has become the myth, that's his legacy. I can't even imagine how hard he must've faped when his game was the most played game on steam for 2 weeks and 4 days and I think that is all that's on his mind, he wants more, he wants bigger and he wants a crown on his head.

And again I wish we had more accurate data on all the other plattforms, we sadly don't know but Season 2...well you decide it either changed him forever or it brought out the DPC that he always was but held back to not alienate his "customers". When that dependecy fell away, they all started to live in a 2 choice world, treat DPC like an infallible god or fuck off.

And just to make it clear, I think he is fucked in the head something fierce, and that something or someone should pull him down to earth, I just down know what or who that could be.

it's not like he banned such a large number of patreons, banning a dozen once in a while while you have 13,000 doesn't seem like this Russian roulette to me, it's part of his cult, and even that after BADIK is likely to end

you also describe him as insecure, and insecure people like certainty, Patreon is one, why should he give up a year of people standing there clapping his hands whatever announcement he makes before reading it?

 

[ProxyGist]

Everyone is so busy arguing that no one has said anything about how shitty Sage's render was. She's glowing like someone put cheap sunblock on her again. Is that the kind of quality DPC wants? If so, I have bad news for him.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Everyone is so busy arguing that no one has said anything about how shitty Sage's render was. She's glowing like someone put cheap sunblock on her again. Is that the kind of quality DPC wants? If so, I have bad news for him.

In the last 2 chapters she's like that, at least here it makes sense that she's sweating

DPC needs to fix huge flaws on her LIs, not increase animation frames

 

[Melissa fan]

"As of 2023, xQc is estimated to be worth around $10 million." So besides the fact that xQc has zero to do with DPC, im just gonna let that stand and move on from comparison.

Between 2019 and 2021 he got 8.5 million from Twitch and that doesn't include 2015 to 2019, 2022, 2023, donations, Youtube or sponsors. The reason I bring him up is because you said "it removed money entirely from his decision making process." so I bought up someone with more money that still uses money in their decision making process.

As for the rest, I don't know what exactly you don't understand about steam being his main income, Season 2 made him an income worth between 10 times to 50 times of what he makes on patreon in a YEAR and that by delaying the steam release, he is losing out on a multitude of what he makes from patreon in investments or simple interests. It just doesn't make any sense.

His estimated patreon earing is 30k to 90k a month. That is only an estimate so it could be 300k or 400k a month for all we know. If it took him 1 year to make season 5 he could get $1 million from patreon and $5 million from steam but if he delayed that by a year he would still get his $5 million from steam but he would aso get another million from patreon.

Money doesn't factor into the equation for him anymore

Unless you are DPC you can not know that. Also for a lot of rich, smart and successful business people money is behind everything.

If he wanted to maximise his income, he would release a new episode every 6 months, get the Seasons out on steam and then start game 2 and then game 3 and not fiddle with 60fps animation that nobody fucking asked for.

Game 2 and 3 could flop losing him a lot of money. Saints Row 2022 was the newest game in the franchise and it flopped, Red Dead Online was made by Rockstar games that made GTA Online one of the biggest games in the world and it flopped. Criminal Minds a show that ran for 15 years had 2 spinoffs that flopped. Just because he has one of the biggest AVNs around doesn't mean his next one will make the same money for him.

 

[ProxyGist]

DPC needs to fix huge flaws on her LIs, not increase animation frames

He probably thinks that's "beautiful". The same goes for Jill, Maya and the other girls. Their models are quite controversial from an aesthetic point of view, but it looks beautiful from DPC point of view.