VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kpyna]

Cool It is very interesting to read your thoughts, as well as @sampow’s. But your interpretation of the episode 8 intro... I'm developing a theory that for every AVN worth writing conspiracy theories about, sooner or later there will be a theory that reduces the events in the game to the plot of "A Beautiful Mind". It's inevitable. We can't explain something because the author hasn't given us enough clues to build a theory, so we add imaginary friends to fill in the holes in our theory.

But there is one confusing thing: James seems to be real, at least there is someone whom she thinks is James. She has photographs of him, one of which she threw on the floor after their bedtime argument with Jill. And this guy seems to be her husband, at least in this photo they are both dressed up as the bride and groom

But that doesn't completely disprove your theory, maybe she refused to accept that he was gone and started hallucinating.

There may be a misunderstanding again. I don't mean and didn't say that James is a completely imaginary character. Her wedding photo at least proves it. We are talking about a period of her life when she /perhaps/ went a little crazy after some event (possibly shocking) and began to imagine him alive, next to her, etc.. This is not such a rare mental disorder and a kind of defense mechanism. But it's one thing when you do it alone with yourself and no one sees it, and it's quite another thing when you talk to your imaginary friend/husband/relative in public. An additional clue that something bad has happened is that she almost always overturns a photos with her husband next to her bed. She does not get rid of the this photo, but as if "closes" it.

 

[Joshy92]

I think people pick on Jill too much
I'm not the biggest Jill fan
But I can tell she is a really sweet girl
She is just a bit naive

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

I think people pick on Jill too much
I'm not the biggest Jill fan
But I can tell she is a really sweet girl
She is just a bit naive

Coming from you, I'll take that advice with a grain of salt.

 

[Kpyna]

I think people pick on Jill too much
I'm not the biggest Jill fan
But I can tell she is a really sweet girl
She is just a bit naive

She is important piece of the story and all this huge puzzle, she is involved with other MGs (and probably some of SGs too)
So, even if you don't like her visually or as a character she still plays a major role in plot and will play it until finale.
Like it somebody or not. People who play only some branches deprive themselves of content and large chunks of the plot. That's all.

 

[TomUK]

Yeah, that's why everyone hates that whole plot line; she's naive to the point of stupid. Even Bella starts getting pissed off with her.

She did help him. She accepted three dates with Tybalt after he said he's stop Trent from pressing charges.

Getting a lawyer to represent him in court would only be the last ditch effort. Avoiding court altogether makes more sense.

I think people forget who Tybalt's 'father' is, you know, the guy that runs the college who could quite easily kick the MC out of college due to the accusations.

 

[Joshy92]

She is important piece of the story and all this huge puzzle, she is involved with other MGs (and probably some of SGs too)
So, even if you don't like her visually or as a character she still plays a major role in plot and will play it until finale.
Like it somebody or not. People who play only some branches deprive themselves of content and large chunks of the plot. That's all.

I do play all the branches
And I know she is important she is a main girl after all

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

I think people forget who Tybalt's 'father' is, you know, the guy that runs the college who could quite easily kick the MC out of college due to the accusations.

Yeah. He's the guy we could ruin the life of if we took a pic of the shenanigans he gets up to with the students. Or did you forget about that?

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

She is important piece of the story and all this huge puzzle, she is involved with other MGs (and probably some of SGs too)
So, even if you don't like her visually or as a character she still plays a major role in plot and will play it until finale.
Like it somebody or not. People who play only some branches deprive themselves of content and large chunks of the plot. That's all.

Sure. Sure. She's as important as a fart in a closed room without windows.

 

[Manoman13]

Yeah. He's the guy we could ruin the life of if we took a pic of the shenanigans he gets up to with the students. Or did you forget about that?

Except that the MC, Jill or even Tybalt don't know about it, so it's difficult to take a photo of what you don't know

 

[sampow]

All it would've taken was the threat of it. But I see it differently than you and if it had been me in RL, and someone I was dating told me she had to stay away/dated someone else, I would've told her to kick rocks.

If your girl said, "Dude, this other fucker has witnesses that saw you and a friend vandalising their house. He said his other friend wants to sue you, but this other fucker said it won't happen if I go out with him 3 times. What should we do?"

What exactly would you do?

Now that's not exactly how it happened in the story, since once again Jill made the decision about the mc's life without taking to the mc first, but even so, what would you do? The mc really was involved in vandalising the house, and there would have been witnesses. So would you fight it in court? Would you beat the cunt up and end up on more serious charges? Or would you agree that the skank date the fucker (she doesn't have to suck his cock or anything)?

I think people forget who Tybalt's 'father' is, you know, the guy that runs the college who could quite easily kick the MC out of college due to the accusations.

Yeah. He's the guy we could ruin the life of if we took a pic of the shenanigans he gets up to with the students. Or did you forget about that?

He's also the guy who has video footage of the mc fucking his wife!

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Except that the MC, Jill or even Tybalt don't know about it, so it's difficult to take a photo of what you don't know

He actually does. He saw the whole storm out by the redhead at the prep party.

 

[TomUK]

If the girl said, "Dude, this other fucker has witnesses that saw you and a friend vandalising their house. He said his other friend wants to sue you, but this other fucker said it won't happen if I go out with him 3 times. What should we do?"

What exactly would you do?

Now that's not exactly how it happened in the story, since once again Jill made the decision about the mc's life without taking to the mc first, but even so, what would you do? The mc really was involved in vandalising the house, and there would have been witnesses. So would you fight it in court? Would you beat the cunt up and end up on more serious charges? Or would you agree that the skank date the fucker (she doesn't have to suck his cock or anything)?



He's also the guy who has video footage of the mc fucking his wife!

Only if he actually fucks her, it isn't something set in stone that he will fuck her, that's down to the player choices.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

He's also the guy who has video footage of the mc fucking his wife!

Which is a good thing. This way he knows he got cucked and fucked over by the same guy.

 

[sampow]

Only if he actually fucks her, it isn't something set in stone that he will fuck her, that's down to the player choices.

You have a choice? I didn't feel like I had a choice...



I don't see an option here...

That was an awesome scene by the way: Fucking her while she's arguing with her husband on the other side of the door. We've all been there, amirite?

 

[TomUK]

You have a choice? I didn't feel like I had a choice...

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I don't see a choice option here...

Not chasing her in the first place would be a good start.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I don't really believe Jill went too far off track. She has one main aspect where she's out of her comfort zone, and that's dating and sex.

She doesn't have any issues having male friends (she treats Tybalt as one), but when things turn to romance, she turns to butter. That's been consistent from the very beginning.

The Tybalt blackmail isn't a fantastic plot element; we have to accept that she actually believed Tybalt when he said Trent wanted to press charges and Tybalt was trying to dissuade Trent.

But Jill has known for ages that Tybalt is interested in her (in episode 3 she tells Bella she knows Tybalt is trying to win her over).

So when Tybalt asks for the three dates, she kinda relents, like he's doing her a favour by stopping Trent from pressing charges, and he's asking that Jill go on a few dates with him. Sure, we hate Tybalt, we've seen him at his worst. Jill hasn't, so she gives him the benefit of the doubt. She only later realises the error of her ways.

But getting back to Jill and sex, in every scene when the mc makes a move on her, she typically has trouble. Even when Bella mentions dating him (in the same scene that she mentions she knows Tybalt is interested), she kinda baulks:

Jill: "Date him?"​

Jill: "I'm not sure I'm looking for someone to date..."​

Jill: "Did you think I was?"​

Bella: "Well, you're a woman. Stranger things have happened."​

Jill: "Haha, yeah, but still..."​

So yeah, i think the blackmail plot is viewed differently by us (who hate Tybalt and completely understand his motives) and Jill, who treats him like a friend who she knows is interested and wants to be kind to his feelings. When she blows Rusty off in that flashback, he's basically a stranger sleazing on to her and she shoots him down. Tybalt isn't the same thing, even though we hate him more.

The thing is... there is a very strong contrast in behavior when she blows up Rusty and between her subsequent behavior. Jill is generally a very decent, well-mannered and shy girl (if we believe the line PinkCake is giving her), but the way she dealt with Rusty was more like...Sage? Seriously, this was her second coolest line after roasting Tybalt.

I understand that she goes into overprotected shy mode as soon as she sees a hint of sex. But it's not only that. Too much contrast in the image. In the first season, Jill may be shy with guys and insecure on serious dates, but I see a girl with leadership qualities. She is proactive in various matters (it was MC who invited her on a date, but this date on the tennis court was organized by Jill and it was good - it really felt like an adult). Jill showed that she can solve problems (Yes, MC didn't ask her to do this and it was a controversial move.) but still, she can.
In the last episodes of Season 2, Jill became helpless and for Bella and MC it turned into "Saving Private Jill." The girl lost her initiative and strength of character...for a while.
And one moment. We remember how Jill complained that Tybalt didn't understand social cues. But girl, don't see your best friend hitting on MC, fucking him with her eyes and just hanging on him in a daring pose....while you stand next to him in your stupid costume. She see everything and don't understand these signals. Dear Jill, if you value MC and love him, you should keep Bianca away from him. I don’t know who you have to be not to see such a social signal... Or it could just be one of Jill’s shortcomings - she tries to see ONLY the GOOD in people.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

You have a choice? I didn't feel like I had a choice...

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I don't see an option here...

That was an awesome scene by the way: Fucking her while she's arguing with her husband on the other side of the door. We've all been there, amirite?

Could you imagine that convo if we had shoved it in her ass instead?

 

[Manoman13]

He actually does. He saw the whole storm out by the redhead at the prep party.

I'm pretty sure no one knows yet, besides it's going to start with the camera that Derek finds at the end of episode 9

 

[Regularus]

Note : if the MC gets into the adultery with Jade, her husband will only have access to the video in the case the MC actually give that video to the dik guys for the challenge.
If the MC decide to not give that video (and so let the challenge being completed by Derek with the elderly retired teacher), Stephen will never see it.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

I'm pretty sure no one knows yet, besides it's going to start with the camera that Derek finds at the end of episode 9

I'm pretty sure he does know. Or at least suspects. It's not rocket science.