VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Personally, I think that the developer should not give a damn about any moral and political views of the players, this game is not some kind of “build your own government” political simulator, it’s a damn porn game about a guy in college, a dramatic comedy based on the American Pie. Who cares about politics...
The developer must follow his vision, but at the same time not drown out any criticism as DPC does, resulting in ridiculous technical solutions like 60 FPS animations. As for interacting with the fan base, yeah, he's an asshole. Imagine spending a lot of time identifying the guy who leaks the previews in order to ban him.

I agree and somewhat disagree at the same time.
Allow me to elaborate, I agree about how you suggest users should leave out personal politics and expectations.

But I disagree about the part where you suggest creators should listen to criticisms before the work is done. A VN is not a public collective. A creator has his/her own vision of what they wish to create, so critics be damned! The only input and suggestions a creator should even remotely take seriously from the public while his VN is in development, is for 'bug fixes'. Period. Suggesting that a creator's fans know his vision better than he does, is simply just ridiculous to me.

Nobody has any right to complain about a 'possible' story intent of a creator. If users don't agree with the proposed story, then they have 2 options in my book, either fuck off and find another title, or try their hand at creating their own if they think they can do better. So yeh, in a strange masochist way, I have no problems with DPC being an epic asshole and be uncompromising. But I think everyone else knows my feelings about the galactic stupidity of going to 60FPS animations. On that note I seriously question DPC's cognitive abilities. No one with a brain larger than a pre-chewed grape would ever think that as a good idea.

As for how he squelches vocal criticism so much on his discord and/or patreon, you absolutely need to keep in mind that 99.9% of users are moronic sheep (the current geopolitical state of North America right now proves my point, yup keep voting morons! it's really helping. NOT!). All it typically takes to start a shit show of ignorance is just 1 fucking troll, and most morons who can't think for themselves will jump in as well.

 

[Givre]

At the beginning of episode 9, Do you get a Bio update if you fucked Nora in an earlier episode (5 or 6 I think) ? I know I forgot her in one of my "Others" playthrough but I can't remember which one and I'd like to continue the right one.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I agree and somewhat disagree at the same time.
Allow me to elaborate, I agree about how you suggest users should leave out personal politics and expectations.

But I disagree about the part where you suggest creators should listen to criticisms before the work is done. A VN is not a public collective. A creator has his/her own vision of what they wish to create, so critics be damned! The only input and suggestions a creator should even remotely take seriously from the public while his VN is in development, is for 'bug fixes'. Period. Suggesting that a creator's fans know his vision better than he does, is simply just ridiculous to me.

Nobody has any right to complain about a 'possible' story intent of a creator. If users don't agree with the proposed story, then they have 2 options in my book, either fuck off and find another title, or try their hand at creating their own if they think they can do better. So yeh, in a strange masochist way, I have no problems with DPC being an epic asshole and be uncompromising. But I think everyone else knows my feelings about the galactic stupidity of going to 60FPS animations. On that note I seriously question DPC's cognitive abilities. No one with a brain larger than a pre-chewed grape would ever think that as a good idea.

As for how he squelches vocal criticism so much on his discord and/or patreon, you absolutely need to keep in mind that 99.9% of users are moronic sheep (the current geopolitical state of North America right now proves my point, yup keep voting morons! it's really helping. NOT!). All it typically takes to start a shit show of ignorance is just 1 fucking troll, and most morons who can't think for themselves will jump in as well.

You see, ignoring any criticism and an uncompromising ban from his Discord creates one problem.
People know that they can be banned for criticism and prefer to remain silent - in the communities controlled by the DPC (Patreon and Discord) only praise takes place. This can create an echo chamber where the developer becomes convinced of the absolute correctness of everything he does and becomes uncontrollable - his creative inspiration can go the wrong way. For example, the already mentioned idiotic decision to double the FPS in animations, as a result of which we are just sitting here waiting, although we could already be playing the game. I think this is a consequence of the existing echo chamber. Was this really necessary?
The problem with the animation was the slow and sometimes unnatural sex scenes, many of which lacked passion. If this had been pointed out to him and he had accepted it calmly, could it have been corrected? I think yes. Pay attention to the lewd animations - in many of them MC moves only with the hip joint, the rest of the body remains static. When you pay attention to it, sex in BaDIK looks weird. Or unnecessary subplots like Nora. Why do we need teacher-student drama in relationships when there are already two of them and a potential third? Or did he create this for the Steam achievement “Success in Swiper”? Strange.
I agree about politics - anyone who pushes their agenda into the game and tries to impose their views on the author should be banned. If someone doesn't like two bisexual chicks in the game, that's his problem, don't play that route or delete the game if it offends his conservative feelings. Someone don't like feminist representation? Let him delete the game so that it doesn't offend his progressive feelings.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

People know that they can be banned for criticism and prefer to remain silent - in the communities controlled by the DPC (Patreon and Discord) only praise takes place. This can create an echo chamber where the developer becomes convinced of the absolute correctness of everything he does and becomes uncontrollable

I also can't completely disagree with anything in your post.
But the above snip I took out of your post is really one of the larger troubling issues with those networks.
And it is why I have never been a fan of social media networks. It doesn't matter if it's for a VN or any other closed minded group. Social media reunites snowflakes into massive circle jerking sessions. So in my opinion the problem is still not entirely on DPC's shoulders. I suspect he also understands this. And with his new found fame and wealth, I don't think someone, even you, wouldn't want to risk any possible reason for a platform to cancel your channel because it's only filled with 'in-fighting', insults, threats and vitriol.

So with a project as large as BaDIK is, I'm not surprised he rounded up a few mindless followers to police his channels so vigorously dishing out bans and kicks because someone veers off their idea of how a fan should behave, think or speak.

For example, let's talk about discord. Discord staff monitor and sneak into your chat channels without your knowledge regularly. How I know this you wonder? Well I'm glad you asked, #1 they openly said it and #2 they did it to me a while back while I was tutoring a friend on how to hack a scammer. At the time I was in a private channel I had created and set a password to it. Next thing I knew, my channel got suspended and my account banned with hardly any explanations. The only thing Discord informed me with was the ban itself and I had somehow broken their terms and conditions. The only explanation is that someone from Discord's staff came in my channel 'invisibly' most likely half way through our conversation, and got the wrong idea out of it and jumped to a wrong conclusion. And I got hit with a ban hammer.

So keeping that in mind, I think this would take a serious chunk out of your monthly/yearly revenue. So I get it, I get why DPC is a monumental ass hole when it comes to his little circle of brainless fanatics. And in a sense, I wholeheartedly agree with his angle, because simply put. Social media platforms are ALL garbage. Social media is just a tool to monitor everyone and log and categorize your opinions to only be used against you in the future. That's all these corporations care about. Becoming "big brother".

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I also can't completely disagree with anything in your post.
But the above snip I took out of your post is really one of the larger troubling issues with those networks.
And it is why I have never been a fan of social media networks. It doesn't matter if it's for a VN or any other closed minded group. Social media reunites snowflakes into massive circle jerking sessions. So in my opinion the problem is still not entirely on DPC's shoulders. I suspect he also understands this. And with his new found fame and wealth, I don't think someone, even you, wouldn't want to risk any possible reason for a platform to cancel your channel because it's only filled with 'in-fighting', insults, threats and vitriol.

So with a project as large as BaDIK is, I'm not surprised he rounded up a few mindless followers to police his channels so vigorously dishing out bans and kicks because someone veers off their idea of how a fan should behave, think or speak.

For example, let's talk about discord. Discord staff monitor and sneak into your chat channels without your knowledge regularly. How I know this you wonder? Well I'm glad you asked, #1 they openly said it and #2 they did it to me a while back while I was tutoring a friend on how to hack a scammer. At the time I was in a private channel I had created and set a password to it. Next thing I knew, my channel got suspended and my account banned with hardly any explanations. The only thing Discord informed me with was the ban itself and I had somehow broken their terms and conditions. The only explanation is that someone from Discord's staff came in my channel 'invisibly' most likely half way through our conversation, and got the wrong idea out of it and jumped to a wrong conclusion. And I got hit with a ban hammer.

So keeping that in mind, I think this would take a serious chunk out of your monthly/yearly revenue. So I get it, I get why DPC is a monumental ass hole when it comes to his little circle of brainless fanatics. And in a sense, I wholeheartedly agree with his angle, because simply put. Social media platforms are ALL garbage. Social media is just a tool to monitor everyone and log and categorize your opinions to only be used against you in the future. That's all these corporations care about. Becoming "big brother".

But here you are talking about unacceptable behavior, and not just about allowing an alternative opinion on the DPC server. I really doubt that Discord could ban his channel because someone would write that long No-lewd animations or 60FPS are a bad idea. Or that DPC needs to pay more attention to post-processing of completed renders.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

But here you are talking about unacceptable behavior, and not just about allowing an alternative opinion on the DPC server. I really doubt that Discord could ban his channel because someone would write that long No-lewd animations or 60FPS are a bad idea. Or that DPC needs to pay more attention to post-processing of completed renders.

Again, I can't disagree with your point of view. Because deep down I 100% agree with you. But the reality is, that these platforms will take action if the owner of those channels won't. And they don't use 'half measures'. It sucks and I agree that it sucks. But that's the nature of their business model, Discord and Patreon rule their platforms like fascist dictators.

And so the only way to guarantee that DPC himself won't have to bust too much of a nut on policing his own circle jerks, it's natural to believe that he went out and grabbed his most dedicated fans and supporters to do it for him with an absolute unforgiving attitude.

Like you I don't agree with that tactic, because, personally I would like to have a back and forth my supporters if I were in his shoes. His fame got to his head, and ultimately, will most likely be his downfall as well. But who knows, there are a lot more brainless idiots out there than those of us who have critical thinking skills greater than that of a bent straw.

 

[Dofus 4 life]

My god, my god, i developed a feeling for Josy that i have never had for any fictional character in my whole life ( almost 30yo)

I fucking go to work in my daily life, and when im alone or i have a break, i find myself thinking about this game and Josy, maybe due to that i have spent 5 days playing the story, idk, Sage always have been my favorite, but when i had the choice to choose josy/maya and i had Dik Affinity, i couldnt progress anymore with josy, and even if i have cheats to change all that i still played with my choices made without changing it with cheats, then when i had scenes with Josy, i found myself regreting my choices! Wow!!! i really like her and im probably changing all my choices in another playroute


Peace

 

[Porter29]

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Seriously, DPC is an asshole. He's going to find a way to ruin your favorite Li for the sake of drama, one way or another. He has done it already, several times, both in AL an in BADIK. I don't know Maybe your favorite Li is going to die. Maybe you are going to find some nasty secret about her past that you won't like. Maybe you are going to discover she's crazy, maybe she's going to start a woke campaign of activism, maybe she's going to be even deeper into some stupid, over-the-top criminal shit that you ever though, maybe your are going to discover she's a full-time prostitute for a gang, maybe she's going to change her personality and make her a bitch, maybe he's going to make her a lesbian and you can't have her if you don't agree with sharing her with another lesbian... It's DPC personality, he can't avoid it. And probably he doesn't even do it on purpose. It's just that he just cares about "his vision". He doesn't care about what the player could think about the moral values and politic views that he shoehorns into the game, or the nasty things he does with the Lis.

He added that stupid warning because he thinks that gives him a blank cheque to do whatever he wants. It his game, he does it or himself, and And fuck the player's feelings or thoughts. It's his game and his "vision" and he graciously lets you play it if you pay. But you are not even a customer who buys the game from him and therefore can demand certain things. For example, regular updates in a decent and reasonable time, or not to be force-fed with woke shit. You just "support his work" on Patreon. You literally have no say. That's why I will never be support him and try not to get too involved with this game.

What is woke? Most anti-sjw cringelords can't even define wokeness. DPC doing a good job, the writing is solid for a porn game. I just wish we didn't had to wait a year to get an update.

 

[Fapparition]

And with that we see proof that women (for the most part) love to fake outrage. Penny acting all traumatized from MC shoving Sage in a pillori and fuck her real good, only to be caught later on with a snorkel up where the sun don't shine. And this (from experience) is true almost to a fault for a large majority of women. Hypocrites much ladies?

How DPC's vision of how a girl would behave in that situation is a proof for you? Do you put so much trust in his perception?

Holy shit, I'm a relatively new player. I don't think I've ever done a 180 on a character as much as I have with quinn. When I played for the first time, I hated her so much that I just said I'm gonna stay away from her in every playthrough. Then I finally did play her route and now I can't do a playthrough without pursuing quinn. New favourite LI. Man, DPC is so good at writing compelling and captivating characters.

Being an "I-can-fix-her"

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

How DPC's vision of how a girl would behave in that situation is a proof for you? Do you put so much trust in his perception?

Looks like you missed the bit in parentheses "(from experience)" in my original post. Which goes to prove my point I was making to Geralt earlier when I said:

there are a lot more brainless idiots out there than those of us who have critical thinking skills greater than that of a bent straw.

Thanks for the assist.

 

[Fapparition]

Looks like you missed the bit in parentheses "(from experience)" in my original post.

"And with that we see proof that...." We can only see the scene with Penny. There is no way we see what's happened to you (the "from experience" part). Maybe your phrasing could be a little bit more accurate like putting "proof" at the end and maybe changing it to "proof for me" or something like that?

 

[TrainHardnett]

I think those two only got involvement because of both prior content early on but also as a potential drama device on Sage's path.

And if Sally was just meant to be a one-off encounter at some point, the 20 render series she's gotten (when other one-offs haven't more than a mixed render or two) seems excessive.

You realize those are chosen by the Patreons right? Sally and KJR are the walking memes of Being a DIK, expect a KJR set to be put into the game soon^tm. The more content for them is due to the fans being "attracted to them even though they are literally written to be unlikable and with so many flaws its not even funny".

 

[KАRАMBA]

New DrPinkCake avatar on Discord convinces me that the criticism of DPC is probably too much exaggerated.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

"And with that we see proof that...." We can only see the scene with Penny. There is no way we see what's happened to you (the "from experience" part). Maybe your phrasing could be a little bit more accurate like putting "proof" at the end and maybe changing it to "proof for me" or something like that?

I'd strongly suggest you try to reel it back in a bit with the fake outrage. I just can't let it slide, it's just not my nature I'm sorry. But I have to point out that you just love proving my point don't ya?

So again, I advise you step away slowly, don't touch the silverware and crystals on you way out. I thank you for participating.

 

[PeopleCallMeSmile]

Holy shit, I'm a relatively new player. I don't think I've ever done a 180 on a character as much as I have with quinn. When I played for the first time, I hated her so much that I just said I'm gonna stay away from her in every playthrough. Then I finally did play her route and now I can't do a playthrough without pursuing quinn. New favourite LI. Man, DPC is so good at writing compelling and captivating characters.

Well it's more normal than you think it is; check, I started pursuing Bella but Quinn kept appearing and every time it was more and more important to the plot, then EP 6 happened and dude, things just escalated to another level, it just felt that Quinn was THE canon route or like she's supposed to be another MG, besides the relationship feels more fluid if you go DIK path.

 

[bloodyasura]

Being an "I-can-fix-her"

Being an "I-can-fix-her"
or
Being an "I-like-her-the-way-she-is"
???
Not everyone wants to fix Quinn.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Again, I can't disagree with your point of view. Because deep down I 100% agree with you. But the reality is, that these platforms will take action if the owner of those channels won't. And they don't use 'half measures'. It sucks and I agree that it sucks. But that's the nature of their business model, Discord and Patreon rule their platforms like fascist dictators.

And so the only way to guarantee that DPC himself won't have to bust too much of a nut on policing his own circle jerks, it's natural to believe that he went out and grabbed his most dedicated fans and supporters to do it for him with an absolute unforgiving attitude.

Like you I don't agree with that tactic, because, personally I would like to have a back and forth my supporters if I were in his shoes. His fame got to his head, and ultimately, will most likely be his downfall as well. But who knows, there are a lot more brainless idiots out there than those of us who have critical thinking skills greater than that of a bent straw.

I see what you mean, have a thoughts on this but this will be a complete OT discussion.

 

[johnsman]

Well it's more normal than you think it is; check, I started pursuing Bella but Quinn kept appearing and every time it was more and more important to the plot, then EP 6 happened and dude, things just escalated to another level, it just felt that Quinn was THE canon route or like she's supposed to be another MG, besides the relationship feels more fluid if you go DIK path.

Yup, the more I played, it honestly felt like she was the single most crucial character in terms of the main plot and the way things are going, I'd guess she'll have one of, if not the most important role to play in the finale.

Being an "I-can-fix-her"
or
Being an "I-like-her-the-way-she-is"
???
Not everyone wants to fix Quinn.

This. I've never really thought she needed fixing. It's more like getting to know someone that you don't like on first glance or based on initial interactions, and then realizing that they're actually pretty fucking cool to hang out with.

 

[c.mork]

This. I've never really thought she needed fixing. It's more like getting to know someone that you don't like on first glance or based on initial interactions, and then realizing that they're actually pretty fucking cool to hang out with.

They didn't invent conjugal visit for nothing I guess.

 

[KАRАMBA]

They didn't invent conjugal visit for nothing I guess.

They can't prove anything