VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

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znar25

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Kpyna said:
Probably they are, already. We are at the place of the story where there is no space to grow but to reveal the secrets, get the answers instead of bring the new questions and manage branches which we already have.

DPC told about SGs already. He will satisfy all possible paths in general but only partially in each new episode, speaking of SGs. Some of SGs will have nothing from time to time and they will exchange from episode to episode. We already seen it in EP9 and EP10 and even before in S1-2. And the most part of content will be getting the side girls with a real potential paths, while the ones with filler role (Camila, Sarah, Mel, a bunch of dormies, etc) are exist only to bring us some lewd scenes from time to time. MGs are in much better position, they will always get content and amount of it will be balanced as much as possible.


Long animations was new for EP9, but now it's a routine and with his new rigs it's not a big deal either. He was quite modest with animations in EP10 btw. The only long one was a BBQ party intro. Nothing compared to EP9 3 long ass animations.

Regarding 60 fps... well, probably he should use the middle path and do interpolation instead of native 60 fps rendering. But honestly, 60 fps is looks much smoother than 30. If it doesn't increase the development time and makes him happy, since rigs don't stay idle periodically - I'm ok with them. The thing is, that the 30fps will probably won't decrease the dev time either. At least now.


What else mini-games do you expect? I think he didn't lied when he said he did the base work and most of them till the rest of the game. He is done with them for Season 3 and I don't expect something significant or brand new in Season 4, because this season supposed to be quite special and the last half of it will barely have something like new mini-games. Probably none at all, since we will be in the phase of highly branched story outcomes and endings. Even if he will bring some new ones, they will not be so complicated and difficult to code as it was with the party planner and so on.

Now to the free roams and big events. How much of this did we had in EP10? 3 events, mostly. DIK mansion party aftermath and cleaning. BBQ party and Thanksgiving at Maya's place. All other ones are minor and was ranged from middle to tiny ones. And he mentioned that he already done with at least 2 big events (probably free roams). And that sounded promising. Because the other facts are:

- more than 50% of lewd scenes are done and only 8 was left 2 weeks ago and he said that 2 more was almost ready. So at this moment and probably following the next status updates he will only have to complete the 6. And this is amazing, since it's not only about the posing, but rendering them too. It's safe to assume that they are completely done - posed and rendered.

- mini-games are done, tweaking and adding content to the existent ones is quite easy task.

- at least 2 big events (free roams) are done too, which compairing to EP10 is also more than 50% currently.

The rest and major part of work left are canon and branched scenes, static renders and writing.


Throwing 1-2 lewd scenes for 1-time fuck purposes as it was with Heather in EP9 or dorm girls in EP8 is not that hard.


I'm not so sure about the last episodes and such potential huge development time for them. He will have to unroll all the possible outcomes of branches and sub-branches and not fuck up and spoil the whole game, because the end is the most important part, bring us consequences and so on, but at the same time the last episodes are usually quite linear. I'm not even sure that we will have a free roams (at least the big ones) and mini-games in the last episodes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it useful in the epilogue part.

Despite all his obsession and constant desire to add or improve something, he is still aware that the game cannot be in development for 10 years or even more. And that the time for such games is running out and that the gap in quality between the first and last episodes is getting bigger and bigger. It's no news that many players are scared off by the visual part of the first season. Because you have to hook and hold on the old players and bring the new ones. What the new ones have to start with? Right, from the first episodes, the first season... The more years will past from now, the more awful it will look and feel for new players and the more old players will be lost due to different circumstances. At the same time, it is also impossible to remaster and pause the current development in order to bring the game and its visual part to a common denominator at the moment, and he has already expressed his point of view on this matter. That if it will be done, it will be only after the release of the final episode.
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A quick plot tool to do less path work is a fire. A nice big one that kills off most of the HOTs (no pun intended). DPC, Derek, John Boy and Jacob can only save one each.

This makes finishing by 16 episodes, just a bit easier.

Hope this helps DPC, who reads all the posts here to correct and fill in plot holes.

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The Krogan Dude said:
Isn't it tragic ? DrPinkcake tried to make all the paths compelling and equal in content but players like you and dalli_x don't even bother to try more than one path :LUL:

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The players have more than enough time to decide if they are interested in a girl. If I've already decided that I'm not interested in her before I go on a date with Jill, then why should I kiss her? It's like buying food that you don't like.
 
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Murgus

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After putting off playing episode 10 I have now finally finished it.

The worst part is how Josy is taking the rejection if you don't choose her, makes me regret the choice a bit since she is so lovely. I wonder if it is possible to reignite the relationship later on. The dynamic between the main girls are a bit strange in my opinion. How realistic is it that 5 girls that you have banged become friends and start hanging out? If it was me I wouldn't be able to remain friends with Josy at least. My point is that I expect the possibility to have affairs with the others girls in later episodes.

Another thing that I realized is that the chick/faithful paths are turning into more of a romance drama than an adult game. Not complaining since the story is great but I find myself curious to try the DIK other path.
 
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Murgus said:
After putting off playing episode 10 I have now finally finished it.

The worst part is how Josy is taking the rejection if you don't choose her, makes me regret the choice a bit since she is so lovely. I wonder if it is possible to reignite the relationship later on. The dynamic between the main girls are a bit strange in my opinion. How realistic is it that 5 girls that you have banged become friends and start hanging out? If it was me I wouldn't be able to remain friends with Josy at least. My point is that I expect the possibility to have affairs with the others girls in later episodes.

Another thing that I realized is that the chick/faithful paths are turning into more of a romance drama than an adult game. Not complaining since the story is great but I find myself curious to try the DIK other path.
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That's why you don't make miss Sunshine upset it bad for health
 
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hakuna-matata said:
In my defense, I never proclaimed to be normal.
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Indeed you're an Italian that says "Eh" like a Canadian and you put pineapple on your pizza... You've completely fallen from normality :HideThePain: :Kappa:

Darkwen said:
That's why you don't make miss Sunshine upset it bad for health
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Others DIK: I just want to bang Josy again then dump her when she tries to make it a serious relationship :sneaky:
 
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ChipLecsap

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Murgus said:
My impression is that Josy is more of a DIK girl but is CHICK-neutral because of Maya
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another one of the weakest aspect of DPC's writing is that instead of just focus on writing the characters, most specifically the girls, and let them grow. He decided to lock them in to a certian affinity too, which is preventing them to be actually develop as characters, becasue they can't step out of the role he wrote for them.

this also cause him inconsistency, and throw some curveballs at the players. Lets look at Nicole, while status and affinity not the same, ( - and frankly when an MC has oposite status compared to his affinity he kind of feels like some kind of bipolar character - )

earlier its seems Nicole is more for a Dik MC , you had to make Dik major choice to decide to party without limits, and you had to have Dik status to get her Blowjob, or anal scene. and out of nowhere, many many episode later he throw a curve ball at the player, by making it a requirement to have Chick affinity for her full lewd scene in episode 10.

Josy is kind of the same. RP+ for lots of dick comments and actions, but then she back down and compare you to steve. Hell even with Jill in the latest episode if you " Bully tybalt, " during yoga, that is an RP + with her.

DPC should have never do this whole affinity thing for the characters, it's limit the characters, now he probably see it but its to late
 
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Darkwen

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Murgus said:
My impression is that Josy is more of a DIK girl but is CHICK-neutral because of Maya
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Josy for sure has a dik side to her if any girl truly is in the middle with affinity it Josy she at the very least is neutral
 
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ChipLecsap said:
another one of the weakest aspect of DPC's wiritting is that instead of just focus on writing the characters, most specifically the girls, and let them grow. He decided to lock them in to a certian affinity too, which is preventing them to be actually develop as characters, becasue they can't step out of the role he wrote for them.

this also cause him inconsistency, and throw some curveballs at the players. Lets look at Nicole, while status and affinity not the same, ( - and frankly when an MC has oposite status compared to his affinity he kind of feels like some kind of bipolar character - )

earlier its seems Nicole is more for a Dik MC , you had to make Dik major choice to decide to party without limits, and you had to have Dik status to get her Blowjob, or anal scene. and out of nowhere, many many episode later he throw a curve ball at the player, by making it a requirement to have Chick affinity for her full lewd scene in episode 10.

Josy is kind of the same. RP+ for lots of dick comments and actions, but then she back down and compare you to steve. Hell even with Jill in the latest episode if you " Bully tybalt, " during yoga, that is an RP + with her.

DPC should have never do this whole affinity thing for the characters, it's limit the characters, now he probably see it but its to late
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I think it's hard to deal with potential inconsistencies in a story like this regardless. I suspect influencing and corrupting girls would be a branching nightmare. It would be quite inconsistent if Maya and Josy accepts you in episode 4 and the Maya tells you that she likes you because you are like a girl if you have picked every DIK options. Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc.
 
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Darkwen said:
Josy for sure has a dik side to her if any girl truly is in the middle with affinity it Josy she at the very least is neutral
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A nice thing with Josy is also that she really likes the MC regardless of what alignment he has, even though she is too scared to be honest about it in episode 4
 
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Murgus said:
I think it's hard to deal with potential inconsistencies in a story like this regardless. I suspect influencing and corrupting girls would be a branching nightmare. It would be quite inconsistent if Maya and Josy accepts you in episode 4 and the Maya tells you that she likes you because you are like a girl if you have picked every DIK options. Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc.
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it's not about influencing them, it's simply just let them a having consistent personality, that is not limited in to a box. Also what you mentioned " Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc." - has nothing do do with Maya, it was always stupid approach from dpc, that a bunch of decision that not relate to the girls are define your relationship with them
 
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Murgus said:
A nice thing with Josy is also that she really likes the MC regardless of what alignment he has, even though she is too scared to be honest about it in episode 4
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Early on if MC has to many dik points Josy won't text mc a sexy pic and won't like MC's flirting but passed ep 4 she is ok with it
 
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ChipLecsap said:
it's not about influencing them, it's simply just let them a having consistent personality, that is not limited in to a box. Also what you mentioned " Fighting the jocks, fighting Caleb etc." - has nothing do do with Maya, it was always stupid approach from dpc, that a bunch of decision that not relate to the girls are define your relationship with them
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I meant that a DIK MC is clearly not acting like a girl based on the choices that he makes so Maya's comment wouldn't make sense. I don't think the level of inconsistency is that bad to be honest, it could be worse.
 
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