DavDR

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It is "poor Jill" (not literally, she's quite rich) it sounded like irony but I just didn't get what you meant (wait, am I naive like Jill?).

I'm somehow scared that DPC do something to her like it happens in Fetish Locator with the girl MC falls for (can't remember her name) that there's a path that she's is the villain behind the plot. And I don't know, the fact that the first time you play the game she's the one that talks to you and introduces you to the game, by experience this usually indicates that she'll have a more importante role even if you're not in her branch (if anyone wants to remember, just copy-paste your saved files fron Renpy folder somewhere in your PC and gets a fresh start).
I don't think Jill will be the villain. I really don't know a lot about her route but I've never seen anything that would indicate that Jill could have an ulterior motive and I hope that DPC has at least learned not to rely on the surprise villain in the third act.
 

Marley300

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Well, obviously. She's a psychopath after all. Wouldn't really be that much of a surprise if she ended up betraying the MC and being the final villain of the game.
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Jill, the Final Vilain... Please !
Like all the antagonist of Being a DIK, they are just puppets compared to the true super villain of the game.... :devilish:
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Fuck you Fluffy !!! :mad:
 

Ostap Bender

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Am I late for the party? Eh, here's my two cents. Just so you know, I'm gonna be defending Tommy here can't believe I've found myself agreeing with Dav :rolleyes:

But the further into the game, the more his bad sides are visible and they outweigh the good:
1. Tommy is a drug addict. And not just to smoke weed, he injects all sorts of rubbish into his veins and can't come off. Heroin, hello. He steals money from Heather for the next dose. He makes a deal with Vinny because of this, which leads to problems later.
2. He breaks the agreement with his girlfriend that they should talk to each other about "pluses" and do it again and again, thereby cheating on her.
3. Tommy breaks the DIK secret code twice: with Derek and then with Tremolo.
4. He lies about Vinny's "prop gun", which puts Tremolo in real danger to his life. Even Quinn did the better job there, warning MC to not mess with Vinny.
5. How insecure do you have to be to be afraid that someone will have sex with your sister? If Tommy thinks that makes him a cuck in the eyes of others, then this guy has serious self-esteem problems. If Tommy would have F95 account , he would be one of this fanatical anti-NTR crusaders :KEK: Tommy doesn't care about Josy, but only about his reputation, I think.
6. It seems like he is jealous of Tremolo and his success. He is constantly skeptical of our guy and he clearly doesn’t like it when he succeeds: “Fuck you for being that good.”
1. Here I was supposed to be on Tommy's side, but this one is where I mostly agree with you, Geralt. Shooting up hard drugs never leads to a good outcome, m'kay? Although I still wanna point out that it is ultimately Tommy's choice/right to put whatever he wants into his body.

2. Perhaps, but the thing is, he's MC's frat brother. And who is Heather to Fuckface? A nobody. So why would anyone hold against Tommy something, that is a part of his private/personal life? Ain't my business what's going on in that relationship.

3. Ah, here's the juicy part. What is this "secret code" at its core? A seemingly convinient and more than a little arbitrary method to sweep the dirt under a rug that a bunch of dumb college kids came up with in order to protect themselves whenever they fuck somebody they shouldn't have fucked in the first place (or when they do some other dumb shit). Like with Josy, MC knew all too well how Tommy's gonna react to that revelation, and he still didn't end things with Josy (and Maya). He was careless and, if you ask me, inconsiderate of Tommy's feelings. And I'm not even gonna cover the Derek bit, that shit was for laughs and shouldn't even be considered a "violation" of the code.
How did Lily put this? Something like, "aren't codes more like a bunch of guidelines that everyone cherry-picks from?" Hear, hear.

4. He could've handled it better, true. Maybe he could talk to Trem after he calmed down and clearly let him know that Vinny is one crazy son of a bitch. But right after Trem's altercation with Vinny, our Snowflake McFuckface was shaken up so bad he was ready to call the cops. I believe I don't need to remind you of the consequences of that for the whole frat, not just for Tommy.

5. Personally, I'm in the "Tommy cares about Josy more than he lets on" camp, so I would attribute that to his overprotectiveness. I might eat my words later, who knows? But for now, I'll keep being optimistic.

6. Who isn't and wouldn't be jealous of that guy? In a couple of months, he became the most popular guy on campus. That kind of success breeds jealousy even in the most unenvious people. And frankly, MC needs someone to be skeptical of him. We don't want Trem's success to get to his head, do we?

How about we flip it. I am genuinely interested, would you be willing to write up reason why you like Tommy? You clearly do, since you seem to be his biggest defender. And since you like him and I consider him garbage and sub-human trash, I'm interested what is it that you see in him that creates a vastly different opinion/image of him. You're aware you're the minority here, but I am always up for hearing other perspectives even if they are quite different from mine... hell, those are the best. Talking with Yes Men is super boring anyways
I guess I can relate to him somewhat. He's the guy whose temper and bad habits tend to get the better of him, despite him not being a bad person, really. Let's look at his record so far: did a shitty job as a father? Came around, apologized, and made an effort to make things up with MC. Threw a fit after the mansion was trashed? He calmed down, started doing his part, and found a gig for the DIKs to make some more money. Yelled at Quinn for ruining the evaluation party? He admitted his part of the blame, apologized, and gave Quinn a chance to do the same. And so on, and so forth.

This is a personal thing, but I tend to prefer this particular character trope Tommy embodies so well: Jerk with a heart of gold don't shoot me for being cheesy, that's just how they named the trope on TVTropes!. Cripples, bastards and broken things tend to be the most amusing people for me, both in fiction and IRL.

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Am I late for the party? Eh, here's my two cents. Just so you know, I'm gonna be defending Tommy here can't believe I've found myself agreeing with Dav :rolleyes:



1. Here I was supposed to be on Tommy's side, but this one is where I mostly agree with you, Geralt. Shooting up hard drugs never leads to a good outcome, m'kay? Although I still wanna point out that it is ultimately Tommy's choice/right to put whatever he wants into his body.

2. Perhaps, but the thing is, he's MC's frat brother. And who is Heather to Fuckface? A nobody. So why would anyone hold against Tommy something, that is a part of his private/personal life? Ain't my business what's going on in that relationship.

3. Ah, here's the juicy part. What is this "secret code" at its core? A seemingly convinient and more than a little arbitrary method to sweep the dirt under a rug that a bunch of dumb college kids came up with in order to protect themselves whenever they fuck somebody they shouldn't have fucked in the first place (or when they do some other dumb shit). Like with Josy, MC knew all too well how Tommy's gonna react to that revelation, and he still didn't end things with Josy (and Maya). He was careless and, if you ask me, inconsiderate of Tommy's feelings. And I'm not even gonna cover the Derek bit, that shit was for laughs and shouldn't even be considered a "violation" of the code.
How did Lily put this? Something like, "aren't codes more like a bunch of guidelines that everyone cherry-picks from?" Hear, hear.

4. He could've handled it better, true. Maybe he could talk to Trem after he calmed down and clearly let him know that Vinny is one crazy son of a bitch. But right after Trem's altercation with Vinny, our Snowflake McFuckface was shaken up so dad he was ready to call the cops. I believe I don't need to remind you of the consequences of that for the whole frat, not just for Tommy.

5. Personally, I'm in the "Tommy cares about Josy more than he lets on" camp, so I would attribute that to his overprotectiveness. I might eat my words later, who knows? But for now, I'll keep being optimistic.

6. Who isn't and wouldn't be jealous of that guy? In a couple of months, he became the most popular guy on campus. That kind of success breeds jealousy even in the most unenvious people. And frankly, MC needs someone to be skeptical of him. We don't want Trem's success to get to his head, do we?


I guess I can relate to him somewhat. He's the guy whose temper and bad habits tend to get the better of him, despite him not being a bad person, really. Let's look at his record so far: did a shitty job as a father? Came around, apologized, and made an effort to make things up with MC. Threw a fit after the mansion was trashed? He calmed down, started doing his part, and found a gig for the DIKs to make some more money. Yelled at Quinn for ruining the evaluation party? He admitted his part of the blame, apologized, and gave Quinn a chance to do the same. And so on, and so forth.

This is a personal thing, but I tend to prefer this particular character trope Tommy embodies so well: Jerk with a heart of gold don't shoot me for being cheesy, that's just how they named the trope on TVTropes!. Cripples, bastards and broken things tend to be the most amusing people for me, both in fiction and IRL.
Here's the thing. Just because you're sorry, doesn't excuse bad behaviour. And when bad behaviour is a repeatable offence, sorry just doesn't cut it. Just saying sorry is not equal to learning from mistakes and becoming a better version of oneself.

Saying sorry and doing shit again to me is the same as ppl that call you to cry/vent and ask for advice, which they never use and than come back again with the same boo hoo sad story. That person is just a serial whiner at this point and is addicted to being patted on the head, has no interest in bettering themselves.

So yeah; gaslighters, ppl with empty promises, serial whiners and so on get no respect from me.

To put it into easy perspective: Lets say I call you a slur. Get a temporary thread ban and a warning from N7, RK, RamRam or m44zy. I say sorry and time passes and the ban goes away. And I do it again. At that point it's not someone being a "broken thing", it's just being a fucking idiot.
 

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Am I late for the party? Eh, here's my two cents. Just so you know, I'm gonna be defending Tommy here can't believe I've found myself agreeing with Dav :rolleyes:



1. Here I was supposed to be on Tommy's side, but this one is where I mostly agree with you, Geralt. Shooting up hard drugs never leads to a good outcome, m'kay? Although I still wanna point out that it is ultimately Tommy's choice/right to put whatever he wants into his body.

2. Perhaps, but the thing is, he's MC's frat brother. And who is Heather to Fuckface? A nobody. So why would anyone hold against Tommy something, that is a part of his private/personal life? Ain't my business what's going on in that relationship.

3. Ah, here's the juicy part. What is this "secret code" at its core? A seemingly convinient and more than a little arbitrary method to sweep the dirt under a rug that a bunch of dumb college kids came up with in order to protect themselves whenever they fuck somebody they shouldn't have fucked in the first place (or when they do some other dumb shit). Like with Josy, MC knew all too well how Tommy's gonna react to that revelation, and he still didn't end things with Josy (and Maya). He was careless and, if you ask me, inconsiderate of Tommy's feelings. And I'm not even gonna cover the Derek bit, that shit was for laughs and shouldn't even be considered a "violation" of the code.
How did Lily put this? Something like, "aren't codes more like a bunch of guidelines that everyone cherry-picks from?" Hear, hear.

4. He could've handled it better, true. Maybe he could talk to Trem after he calmed down and clearly let him know that Vinny is one crazy son of a bitch. But right after Trem's altercation with Vinny, our Snowflake McFuckface was shaken up so dad he was ready to call the cops. I believe I don't need to remind you of the consequences of that for the whole frat, not just for Tommy.

5. Personally, I'm in the "Tommy cares about Josy more than he lets on" camp, so I would attribute that to his overprotectiveness. I might eat my words later, who knows? But for now, I'll keep being optimistic.

6. Who isn't and wouldn't be jealous of that guy? In a couple of months, he became the most popular guy on campus. That kind of success breeds jealousy even in the most unenvious people. And frankly, MC needs someone to be skeptical of him. We don't want Trem's success to get to his head, do we?
Don't think that you agree with Dav, it seemed that he was arguing just for the sake of arguing
1. You're right here, it's his choice, but if I think that hard drugs are bad, then I can treat him with distrust. Would you like to have a fentanyl junk next door.
2.Well, I look at his relationship with Heather from my side and how I feel about what he does, not from the point of view of MC.
3.I wouldn't be so biased against DIK secret code. All organizations have secrets and everyone is hiding something under the carpet. Corporations, communities, governments, frats and sororities after all. This is how any closed community works and it maintains the reputation of the members and to some extent it works in DIKs. And it's not always used to hide dirty secrets. Jamie doesn't want to be clowned because he's into gardening. I agree that scene with Derek was for a joke and Tommy didn't break the rule in plain text by using hints, but here he blurted out openly after a few minutes. Cunt move.
And Tommy should control his feelings, if he is an adult.
4. Oh kmon. That cunt threatened with a gun, I would want to call a cops too. Vinny's mistake was dealing with this thug at first, my opinion.
5. Can't argue here, it's a possible scenario too.
6. Maybe you right here too, we don't need MC turned into "I am the real hero" mode. But also jealous maybe different. Good type, when DIKs look to you as a role model, or toxic envy, when a person wants you to fail.

Overall, great arguments, you are bring much more interesting of them.

Oh, come on Geralt, I remember you saying something about September last year... :cautious:

Then you made a little mistake, but maybe this year it will work. :rolleyes:

I know it's won't. :cautious::(

But maybe... :unsure:

A miracle will happen. :love:
Two years here, learned a lesson: don't be optimistic with AVNs release date expectations.
Maybe if I will be skeptical, he will do it faster:unsure::ROFLMAO:
 

DavDR

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Here's the thing. Just because you're sorry, doesn't excuse bad behaviour. And when bad behaviour is a repeatable offence, sorry just doesn't cut it. Just saying sorry is not equal to learning from mistakes and becoming a better version of oneself.

Saying sorry and doing shit again to me is the same as ppl that call you to cry/vent and ask for advice, which they never use and than come back again with the same boo hoo sad story. That person is just a serial whiner at this point and is addicted to being patted on the head, has no interest in bettering themselves.

So yeah; gaslighters, ppl with empty promises, serial whiners and so on get no respect from me.

To put it into easy perspective: Lets say I call you a slur. Get a temporary thread ban and a warning from N7, RK, RamRam or m44zy. I say sorry and time passes and the ban goes away. And I do it again. At that point it's not someone being a "broken thing", it's just being a fucking idiot.
Now, I totally disagree with that. Saying your sorry does matter, just like forgiveness matters. In a way, my whole country (the US) was built on the idea of a second chance. That's why I so hate this modern culture of cancelled for ever. I think that's an evil concept.
 
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