VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ChipLecsap]

Honestly, I just don't get the whole 'charade' of trying to understand why someone doesn't like your preferred character. We're all different. If I tell you I can't stand Sage, justifying why is irrelevant. And watching you trying to "straw-man" someone into justifying why he's wrong in your opinion, ends right at that point. It's your opinion. you like Sage! Good for you! I'm happy for you. And no amount of you making up excuses why you think she's better won't change mine or anyone else's opinion if they don't feel like looking at her through whatever lens you see her through.

So again, I don't get why this level of strawmaning is necessary. One could say "grow up! Because, who gives a shit?".

Well, this should work both ways than is it not ? You don't like a certain character, good for you, none give a shit why you not like it, why people spend so many time to hate on them, oh yeah for trolling.

One could say "grow up! Because, who gives a shit?".

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

The difference here is that it's not trying to strawman someone for not liking a character. The conversation came from him criticising someone for liking Sage, not someone criticising him for not liking Sage. And then he proceeds to state that you shouldn't like Sage because of a bad first impression from the guitar scene, when that's not even where you'd get a first impression of Sage from.

Well, this should work both ways than is it not ? You don't like a certain character, good for you, none give a shit why you not like it, why people spend so many time to hate on them, oh yeah for trolling.

One could say "grow up! Because, who gives a shit?".

So what?



Oh, and Chip, you're usually funny, but you'll have to do better to bait me with that lame "whataboutism".
You won't succeed in changing the narrative. My reply remains the same;
-So what?

 

[NebulousShooter]

'Right away'.
Synonymous with 'immediately'.
As in; before you do anything else.
Using it as leverage to obtain a promise and then giving it back is not 'immediately'.

Someone that doesn't understand that should probably be careful with words like




First option.
"You never get a second chance to make a first impression."
Note that all the points I originally listed were from early in the story.
In other words... she left a bad first impression.
Doesn't mean she is inherently bad. Just means that I was considerably less them impressed with her behavior in the MC's early encounters with her.

Yes, right away when he mentioned his father gave it to him aka as soon as she realized he wasnt lying and the guitar was his, because before that she didnt know where Chad got the guitar from.
Do you want me to fire the game and post the screenshots, or admit that you are doubling down on semantincs because of ego alone. This is you.

I swear, its like I said to another person earlier today, you come with already preconceived opinions about characters, glance over the text, then fill in the blanks to reinforce your biases.

I am not going to quote myself, so second option it is.

 

[atrebor68]

Damn, is past so many time that I forgot where I was in the game...

 

[ChipLecsap]

So what?

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Oh, and Chip, you're usually funny, but you'll have to do better to bait me with that lame "whataboutism".
You won't succeed in changing the narrative. My reply remains the same;
-So what?

Well,, I did bait you to respond to me,.

But, your take is a bit condradictonial to me, Let's say as you said, you say you don't like Sage and you justify why not. But also as you said, no amount of response would change your mind.

But my question then, why the fuck you even bother then to say your opinion if you not looking for a conversation or response. You obviously want others to know your opinion otherwise, you would not even write it in the first place if that would not be the case.

so, I'm kind of confused, you obviously don't give a fuck about someone else opinion, it does not effect you, but somehow you feel the need to share your opinion.

at least in this "theoretical conversation " what you used as a base for your take

oh btw

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Whether it's wrong or not, it's human nature. And everyone does it. Doesn't mean everyone acts out on it. But like it or not, "humans will human". Denying that is simply living in a mirage.

Part of people following this, not everyone ofc, doesn't make it right.
And like Annon correctly mentioned, guitar scene is not even a "first impression".

 

[ffive]

Honestly, I just don't get the whole 'charade' of trying to understand why someone doesn't like your preferred character. We're all different. If I tell you I can't stand Sage, justifying why is irrelevant.

It's relevant in the sense if their "reasons" for disliking the character turn out to be just their own stupidity, i get to point and laugh. And who doesn't like free entertainment?

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Damn, is past so many time that I forgot where I was in the game...

No worries, just start over and don't forget to come here often to make sure you like the proper LI or you won't be welcomed properly.

*Roll eyes*

 

[NebulousShooter]

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No. It appears all main girl paths are locked after ep 8, so you're either in or out of their path depending on the choice you make that episode.

So far, it might be a way later, since there is the cheating stat involved and Maya and Josy are still a pair despite heavy hints of solo relationships, I doubt the Doc will have you end alone if you fuck up your ep8 relationship, or if you didn't commit to anyone then.

There is also the route where you pick Bella after dating Jill and if you kiss her she keeps the picture, it has to lead to something.

 

[ChipLecsap]

So far, it might be a way later, since there is the cheating stat involved and Maya and Josy are still a pair despite heavy hints of solo relationships, I doubt the Doc will have you end alone if you fuck up your ep8 relationship, or if you didn't commit to anyone then.

There is also the route where you pick Bella after dating Jill and if you kiss her she keeps the picture, it has to lead to something.

This guy killed love interests in his previous game and somehow you don't think that cheating your love interest, is actually can leading to a Bad end where MC is fucked and left alone at the end ?

 

[Mordreut]

So again, I don't get why this level of strawmaning is necessary. One could say "grow up! Because, who gives a shit?".

Ok, Today I learnt a new word: strawmaning (god bless the Urban Dictionary)

 

[KАRАMBA]

the "Tybalt's blackmail" plot

It wasn't blackmail.
The noble Sir Theobald von Burke was forced to save Lady Jill's honor from a dirty peasant.
Because he, Sir Theobald, is Lady Jill's true destiny.

Spoiler: Lady Jill's true destiny

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[NebulousShooter]

Honestly, I just don't get the whole 'charade' of trying to understand why someone doesn't like your preferred character. We're all different. If I tell you I can't stand Sage, justifying why is irrelevant. And watching you trying to "straw-man" someone into justifying why he's wrong in your opinion, ends right at that point. It's your opinion. you like Sage! Good for you! I'm happy for you. And no amount of you making up excuses why you think she's better won't change mine or anyone else's opinion if they don't feel like looking at her through whatever lens you see her through.

So again, I don't get why this level of strawmaning is necessary. One could say "grow up! Because, who gives a shit?".

> 'I dislike Sage because I dislike redheads' Nothing I can argue against that, its his taste and his opinion.
> I disliked Sage because she did x, y and z when in reality none of those happen in the game is not an opinion anymore.

Is this easy enough to grasp, or do I need to bring out the sand box and draw it?

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Well,, I did bait you to respond to me,.

But, your take is a bit condradictonial to me, Let's say as you said, you say you don't like Sage and you justify why not. But also as you said, no amount of response would change your mind.

But my question then, why the fuck you even bother then to say your opinion if you not looking for a conversation or response. You obviously want others to know your opinion otherwise, you would not even write it in the first place if that would not be the case.

so, I'm kind of confused, you obviously don't give a fuck about someone else opinion, it does not effect you, but somehow you feel the need to share your opinion.

at least in this "theoretical conversation " what you used as a base for your take

But you don't accept his reasons for not liking your LI. That's where your reasons don't fit anymore. Instead of just saying "ok you don't like her" and leaving it at that, and moving on.

Someone posting their opinion doesn't necessarily require confrontational knit picking. Because then, whether you realize it or not, it turns into a proverbial pissing contest.

And there's nothing contradictory about my reply at all.
Trying to make you realize it doesn't matter by saying "so what", doesn't leave much to confusion.

You've been plenty entertaining in the past. And I'm sure you'll be plenty entertaining in the future, so, go ahead, you do you.

 

[soprano31]

> 'I dislike Sage because I dislike redheads' Nothing I can argue against that, its his taste and his opinion.

The best argument that cannot be argued against..

 

[ffive]

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February, at the earliest, probably.

Well, it's Xmas themed episode, so of course it'll be out on Xmas.

... 2026. if we're lucky.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

> 'I dislike Sage because I dislike redheads' Nothing I can argue against that, its his taste and his opinion.
> I disliked Sage because she did x, y and z when in reality none of those happen in the game is not an opinion anymore.

Is this easy enough to grasp, or do I need to bring out the sand box and draw it?

Looking like everyone arguing now, maybe option 1 was right?

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

So doesn't it work the other way? As you say you can dislike a character without having to put up with people jumping on you for not liking them and trying to force you to justify your dislike. By that logic you should also be able to state you like a character without someone jumping on you for liking the character? Surely that means that Geralt was also allowed to state that he likes Sage without the other person jumping on his post and telling him that he's not allowed to like Sage?

Most on here do it in gest. As for Geralt, most people are either just joking or poking fun at him. He's proven more than once to be able to take a joke. Same goes for Quinn lovers and Maya preachers. Hell I think the LI that gets the most heat is either Josy or Quinn simps. Karamba has taken records amount of flack because of Quinn.

But if chiming in and saying "so what" to defuse the convo gets this reaction, hey have at it.
I'm off to get baked. Because you know,
-so what.

 

[Chalk boss]

> 'I dislike Sage because I dislike redheads' Nothing I can argue against that, its his taste and his opinion.
> I disliked Sage because she did x, y and z when in reality none of those happen in the game is not an opinion anymore.

Is this easy enough to grasp, or do I need to bring out the sand box and draw it?

I'm guessing most people dislike Sage just because she cheated on Chad with MC. Although the game avoids this, many take it too personally, forgetting that netori is a pretty popular trope in AVN.
Sage's character isn't perfect( like all characters in the game), she has a lot of weird moments.
First of all, I have a hard time explaining Sage's obsession with Chad. She literally turns into a stalker. Okay, that's one way to bring t MC closer to Sage, but overall, it's not explained in the game in any way. Chad literally treats her like she's nothing, and what does she do? She starts stalking him. Sage must have been madly in love with Chad, but there's not a line in the game about it. Sage was so deeply in love with Chad that she put up with his indifference and lack of sex for years. Probably DPС didn't say so explicitly so as not to hurt the fans' feelings.
I think the whole Chad stalking line is poorly written.
Second, of course, is the fact that she has Quinn next to her, who has made the sorority house a brothel. I think in the future DPС will make it look like Sage suspected Quinn was doing something like that, otherwise Sage is turning into a blind fool. She might not have noticed, but isn't it weird that Quinn has different people over all the time? Like, what's Sally doing there? What kind of business could Sally and Quinn have? Riona and Quinn fought a lot in her room, Sage could just hear them yelling through the wall or walking by.

 

[ChipLecsap]

But you don't accept his reasons for not liking your LI. That's where your reasons don't fit anymore. Instead of just saying "ok you don't like her" and leaving it at that, and moving on.

Someone posting their opinion doesn't necessarily require confrontational knit picking. Because then, whether you realize it or not, it turns into a proverbial pissing contest.

And there's nothing contradictory about my reply at all.
Trying to make you realize it doesn't matter by saying "so what", doesn't leave much to confusion.

You've been plenty entertaining in the past. And I'm sure you'll be plenty entertaining in the future, so, go ahead, you do you.

You kind of ignoring my take, which I admit coming from a different angle. But my point is, you basic arguing against the whole point of a forum. Why you feel the need to share your opinion ? Keep your opninon to yourself if you not care about what others think .

so to simply help me understand, you expect , to be allowed to say a shit, but you expect that others should not say anything back to you at all. then would not been just make more sense to keep shit to youself.

You putting out there something on a forum, a place for conversation people will react to it. if you don't want that that A, you can keep it to yourself, of B, Ignore the response, sure.

but you basically judging others for having a conversation on a forum. A place that meant for this, in the first place. to people share their opinion.

you basically saying , why this 2 dude talk with each other they should grow up.