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Thats also assuming you actually got the documents too.How would Patrick even know to go to Bella's house a month later for the documents?
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Even if they turn out to be bullshit (which is likely), too much hinges on getting the documents. If MC failed, Derek will probably get them later. Something like that is too big to create an actual fail state branch.
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Plenty of time to stalk them, also I don't remember did we see any decorations already? Because if the decorations are up, it could be the Thanksgiving dinner, with the only problem that has to happen early in the episode and that isn't DPC' style.How would Patrick even know to go to Bella's house a month later for the documents?
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If the contract is indeed important and the documents are in fact needed. For Derek to come along and just be a superhero would be a massive letdown for me. I mean why couldn't Derek just have done that in the first place anyway?
I don't think the documents are going to be that important and it was just a convenient plot device to get us in the twins house to
a. see Patrick's abuse
b. see the mother's illness
the options going forward are
the documents are rubbish and are not needed so we need to find another way to help Maya, which we would need to do if we didn't get the documents anyway. so the paths become aligned.
or
The documents are important, someone else gets them and the paths remain aligned anyway.
See I agree I don't really think there's going to be a "fail state branch" here, the plot has to go on, with or without them.
However, back to my original point, which was responding to the
"Patrick causes the destruction trying to get them back" Which makes no sense, because, you might not have got them, why would they be at Bellas if you did, how does Patrick know they are at Bellas if they did go there and so on and so on. Its just a silly out there thought.
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I know this is the same guy who gave us Acting Lessons, but come on. Patrick isn't stalking shit. And it is very clearly Christmas in the flashforward.
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Really hope Maya and Josy aren't on the winter trip with Jill, Bella and Bianca.Agree, too early for James in S3, when Bella is the Steam cover for S4. Also, for once a good twist.
Patrick comes back and steals the documents, so the saves don't diverge even more, or just rages because he can't find Maya because they all went to the dorms to pack their bags for Jill's family cabin
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Imo, if James does show up in season 3, he will be the season end cliffhanger.
They don't need to be there.
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Derek is motivated by seeing his friend fail, the guy who is capable of so much change and inspiration, he failed and that spurs Derek on to step it up for Maya. Or something corny like that.
The can that is the loan plot has been kicked down the road far too much already, yet another Hail Mary from the Maya Squad will be extremely unwelcome. Actual progress needs to be made, and if the documents aren't it, then at this point her story is becoming one big jerkoff.
I didn't mean a literal fail state, but a fully developed branch where we didn't get the documents is not feasible.
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Sage doesn't need to be there but she'll be a welcome addition.Don't forget about Sage
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Agree, too early for James in S3, when Bella is the Steam cover for S4. Also, for once a good twist.
Patrick comes back and steals the documents, so the saves don't diverge even more, or just rages because he can't find Maya because they all went to the dorms to pack their bags for Jill's family cabin
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Imo, if James does show up in season 3, he will be the season end cliffhanger.
How would Patrick even know to go to Bella's house a month later for the documents?
All he has to say is "I looked up location using the gps on the car"
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It's still a month later, and there's no good reason for the documents to be there. For one, they could just make copies and give that to the Royce family lawyer, while returning the originals back to Patrick's office, so no one's the wiser.
If it's just a matter of tracking Maya there during Christmas dinner, this fucking guy is gonna bust up the place and demand the documents? The guy who definitely can't take MC in a fight? Small chance he has a gun, and that would escalate things even further and likely involve the police. In the grand scheme of things, this whole thing does not warrant the grim scene that's in the flashforward. That cunt Vinny showing up and wrecking dinner makes more sense—atm not a lot more, but I can see it as more likely.
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Yeah, I don't think a "fail to get documents branch" is feasible either, which tells me someone else either gets them or they're just not important enough to drive the plot forward anyway.
Now I don't think it's going to be another full blown scooby gang mission to get them, Derek getting them is a likely outcome....
But equally it's a likely outcome that the start of the next episode starts with them looking at the contract, realising it's useless and talking about the next move (or talking about not getting the contract and talking about there next move)
My point wasnt about the importance of the documents, because that remains to be seen. My point was saying Patrick smashed up Christmas, is a bit of a stretch, given that not getting the documents is an option. And until that perticular branch is resolved and reconciled. The main path goes on regardless.
But still even if we got them, even if Derek got them, why would Patrick's response be to go smash up there? The documents have left his office, will be copied, will be with lawyers etc, Patrick will have known he was beaten.
In short. It's a bit of a dumb theory when you give it a bit of thought.
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As I see it up until now Maya and Derek have not gone to the police, because as bad as he is Helen still needs Patrick. If you get the documents they turn out to involve some way more illegal stuff than anticipated and they have to get the police involved. If you don't get the documents, Derek will try to get them by himself, then Patrick catches him and beats him up, so they get the police involved anyway and the documents end up in the hands of the law.
So the difference is what happens to Derek. The question is how bad the consequences are. Derek could simply have alternate beaten up appearance in the fail branch. Or it may be that Derek leaves B&R. On the fail branch he is hospitalised and on the success branch he takes the fall for how the documents were obtained. Terrible for us either way, because we lose Derek and many probably doubt that DPC would go there, but that conversation at the end of ep 10 is pretty ominous.
It might also be significant that on the fail branch the group never sees what is actually in the documents.
And of course there is the meta consequence that getting the documents is a good end condition. It's just a matter of how the story justifies it.
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There's one strange thing about the document thing. The MC himself implies when he looks through the files that there's something strange there and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Maya's documents.
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Agree, it will be too much trouble for dpc if there is no contingency plan if mc failed to get the documents. It could create a different story path which will prolonged the game development and can affect the story of the main L.I. at most it could create a minor ripple effect in the stoey of the L.I., one good example is that in ep 8. If the mc failed the house renovation then Rusty will have to sell his car. This affect the story of Sage and Quinn but it does not affected the game as a whole.